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not all brexies are fascists, but that one is^^^^.
meanwhile McDnonell is the voice of business & common sense as Hammond takes Treasury Questions!
-thanks to May saying that transition arrangements woudnt be decided until late next year, arguably too late for many business
First they came for the professors.
The sudden and desperate swing to the far right is symptomatic of the malaise of right wing politics. We've had the current economic system of deregulation and tax breaks for wealthy individuals and corporations for four decades, but the resulting societal divisions mean that these policies now no longer function for the benefit of the 51% of people voting at elections. In truth, our asset bubble has been on life support since 2008 and the shift in wealth required to prop it up means that the middle and working classes are being squeezed very hard.
For want of alternatives, the right seem emboldened to lurch towards authoritarianism and protectionism. For these people, the referendum was the perfect result - any resulting economic catastrophe is "the will of the people", thus they've a free hand to destroy and rebuild the economy. The fundamentals of poor productivity and poor wage growth won't disappear, instead we'll see employment rights and protective legislation stripped away. This is the ultimate price for decades of under investment in improving productivity and infrastructure.
The only bright side to this is that unless the Conservative Party goes down the route of radical transformation towards embracing centrist policies, it'll destroy it's electoral appeal for those who don't read the Daily Mail for a very long time indeed.
Here's a simple response to that letter that I hope all the VCs will use:
Dear Chris
Re: list of professors teaching European studies.
**** off.
Yours sincerely,
Prof xyz
VC, abc university
P.S. I strongly urge you to avail yourself of at least a cursory overview of 1930s European politics
you would think so, wouldn't you. but here we are.
Who was the scotish Tory MP who came out and stated they didn't vote as it was too hard!!!
She should be fired! No discussion, completely incompetent.
"The Commission is not negotiating in a hostile mood. We want the deal. Those who don’t want the deal, the 'no dealers', they have no friends in the Commission," he told the parliament."We want a fair deal with Britain and we will have a fair deal with Britain. A no-deal is not our working assumption."
Some sensible narrative emerging. Moved a long way and a few pages since talk of “talks collapsed” 😉
Never thought it was the EU that was collapsing the talks of course...
As Corbyn says, the biggest frozen negotiation is inside May’s cabinet.
On the subject of the attempted 'outing' of 'red' university lecturers (welcome to McCarthyite America everyone).
There was a chap interviewed who basically said the Tory pillock was just fishing for a story about 'subversive' rabidly left-wing lecturers poisoning the minds of impressionable youngsters and would probably have just found the subject was being taught in an adult and nuanced way.
What he failed to say (but I suspect he was itching to) was that this should also lead to some self assessing after which the man concluded that he was himself a massive bellend.
Just a tip, when a right-winger accuses anyone of being 'unpatriotic' what they really mean is 'balanced and questioning'.
Sadly May is not strong enough to do what she should, which is to put this brat over her knee and smack his arse in front of everyone. Actually, seeing as he's a Tory fanboi, this might fulfill some fantasies for him.
Chris Heaton-Harris should be asked to consider his position as an MP.
igm - Member
Chris Heaton-Harris should be asked to consider his position as an MP.POSTED 1 MINUTE AGO # REPORT-P
Indeed. He has, however, cemented his position as a bellend.
Prof Brian Cox's [url= https://twitter.com/ProfBrianCox/status/922833703058923521 ]response [/url]
My view - Heaton-Harris should be sacked.
My view - Heaton-Harris should be sacked.
We're about to have it demonstrated for us exactly how powerless May really is.
Don't sack him and it is obvious she isn't in charge.
Do sack him and a leadership challenge gets a notch closer.
I wouldn't put it beyond the swivel-eyed loons to have put the prat up to it. It's a win-win for the nasties.
On what grounds would she sack him?
teamhurtmore - Member
On what grounds would she sack him?POSTED 2 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
You are kidding, right?
No, I am trying to ascertain the grounds under which the PM would sack this MP?
There are also headlines about demands etc. Can someone post that letter too. The one above must be the wrong one.
Over - familiarity perhaps?
Dear Vice Chancellor would be far more appropriate. Unless he knew the guy
Standards,honestly. That doesn’t even look like a fountain pen
Amusing Brexit is in the running for being a case study in disastrously managed projects
Ill bet that heaton-harris numpty really hates that guy; hes a german & a lefty accademic that doesnt espouse the sanctioned opinons on Brexit !!
teamhurtmore - Member
No, I am trying to ascertain the grounds under which the PM would sack this MP?There are also headlines about demands etc. Can someone post that letter too. The one above must be the wrong one.
Over - familiarity perhaps?
Dear Vice Chancellor would be far more appropriate. Unless he knew the guy
Standards,honestly. That doesn’t even look like a fountain pen
POSTED 1 HOUR AGO # REPORT-POST
Being deliberately obtuse whilst pretending to want to 'get to the facts dispassionately' doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. The sarcasm is childish.
Can you honestly come up with a convincing argument why he should want that information for a benign purpose? Is he on some cross-party committee that has been tasked by someone to look into this?
No?
One of two things, then:
He was fishing for a story to discredit the remain camp by evoking some kind of McCarthyist witch hunt.
Or, more likely.
It is a put-up job to ratchet the pressure up on May.
Can you honestly come up with a convincing argument why he should want that information for a benign purpose?
Maybe he’s decided to learn how to do Brexit. Since his bosses clearly haven’t a clue. I do think he should at least stump up a year’s fees to start though.
Being deliberately obtuse whilst pretending to want to 'get to the facts dispassionately' doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. The sarcasm is childish.
Can you honestly come up with a convincing argument why he should want that information for a benign purpose? Is he on some cross-party committee that has been tasked by someone to look into this?
No?
One of two things, then:
He was fishing for a story to discredit the remain camp by evoking some kind of McCarthyist witch hunt.
Or, more likely.
THIS.
It's so fing obvious that that any attempt to defend casts serious doubts about the individuals ability to see reason.
One of two things, then:
Or three. zealot believing the "enemy of the people" stuff.
On what grounds would she sack him?
Abuse of position for a starter, it i on commons headed paper and is not related to his role as Whip or MP.
and we feed the troll again
Of course he knows THM is many things but stupid is not one of them.
No, I am trying to ascertain the grounds under which the PM would sack this MP?
You like to think you're a bright fella, work it out yourself
Not sure a PM can sack a MP.
They can sack Chris Heaton-Harris from government office of course.
About all that can be done about his MP status is to deselect him for the next election. Doubt that will happen.
His crime? Attempted intimidation (politely done, but attempted nevertheless), against people who are pretty good at telling people attempting intimidation where to get off. And stupidity - given who he tried to intimidate.
Not sure a PM can sack a MP.
They can chuck him out of the party, I suppose. "inability to google" is surely grounds enough?
inability to google? Bring back hanging 😉
Oh wait a minute, he’d probably like that.
So nothing beyond using parliamentary paper to ask for info
Mines a double latte.
1 + 1 = 5
Remoaning in grand style
THM - this time I’m going to have to disagree with you, he was definitely verging on Brexy McCarthyism. Poorly executed like the rest of Brexit.
The speed No10 distanced themselves is evidence they agree.
“Chris Heaton-Harris wrote to universities in his capacity as an MP, not as a representative of the government,” the prime minister’s spokesman said. “I think what the prime minister has always been very clear on is her respect for the freedom and independence of universities and the role they play in creating open and stimulating debate.”
Mine’s a double espresso if you’re buying - not a fan of all the froth you like to swallow. 😉
(sorry - open goal)
Typical remoaners, real brexies drink tea.
He's just carrying on with the enemies of the people line of brexiter attack.
Maybe the failing? talks and oecd assessment is starting to put the willies up even the dimmest brexiter MPs
Either way just the kind of ill- discipline and disunity the Germans & EU27 are worried about, regards our enfeebled Prime Minister
Agreed IGM he is simply an MP
Still no grounds to sack him offered
No surprise.
I thought the Tusk-Barnier double act today was fun.
Here are your options - WTO, a deal, or stay. By the way a deal means pretty much a Canadian deal.
THM - I doubt he broke any law (being an imbecile not yet being illegal), and I doubt he can be sacked as an MP anyway, but after that he really should go.
This was good
All unis should write to Heaton-Harris asking for unreleased Brexit reports so they can teach 'based on fact.'
PS - I note that he is not, “simply an MP” as you put it but a junior whip. So a government officer.
Because everytime a brexiter shoots off on their own private brexie agenda May looks even weaker, just when she needs to be strong.
Maybe it's time she WTFU and enforced some discipline!
No wonder the EU are talking to Corbyn!
It's also the same mistake she made with her citizens of nowhere speech, pissing off the 48%(-THM) just Makes her job harder
TBH thm I'm surprised you wouldn't want the guy censured in some way? Hardly helping HMG look coherent in the face of negotiations, is it? Still I guess many of them feel like they can do what they like these days.
Can I get a tea? Black please.
You still have not come up with any valid reason other than a like of coffee
Sack the bastard because he wrote a (politely worded) letter on parliamentary paper. It’s an outrage
Better still this is a letter to the Univeraity (no really) of Worcester - WTF is that???
Still with the positive developments over the weekend it’s no surprise that remoaners have to stoop to desperate tactics
IGM - tusk was very revealing indeed. Why on earth did he need to say what he said? That’s obviously a rhetorical question.....
THM - I doubt he broke any law (being an imbecile not yet being illegal), and I doubt he can be sacked as an MP anyway, but after that he really should go
:D. Ok I’ve been out in the hit and miss tonight but I’m not pissed enough to write that!!! Errr,,, errr,,, the quardian is annoyed - sack the bastard. Brilliant !!!
Still with the positive developments over the weekend it’s no surprise that remoaners have to stoop to desperate tactics
An apparently pro brexit government whip goes off reservation and pro remain are using desperate tactics?
😯
So del before tonight what did you know about this bloke? Probably less than you will remember next week
Get a grip remoaners!!!
Crikey. Sleep well.
Still no grounds to sack him offered
Ok, evidently you're not as bright as you like to think you are...
It was massive over-reach with very clear undertones of state interference in the independence of our university sector. Thus, he should be sacked because
A) He wasn't aware how this should look and was thus even by Tory standards grossly incompetent, or
B) He knew exactly how it would look and thus was directly undermining recent government policy on academic freedoms within the university sector
The real reason May can't do anything about him?
She can't find any other MP's else to buy.
In normal times he would have been sacked as Whip for basically doing what he would normally pick up others for. He has given people in the party some free reign to do what they like.
So perhaps sacking as an MP is too much, removal from position, relegation to the back of the line and a stern warning about his future standing at the next election would be the norm.
Unless of course your blinkers are fitted extra tight in which case it's perfectly normal to miss the obvious and stick to the party line.
:D. Ok I’ve been out in the hit and miss tonight but I’m not pissed enough to write that!!! Errr,,, errr,,, the quardian is annoyed - sack the bastard. Brilliant !!!
Nope. I got to the conclusion that he should resign, not that he should be sacked. And did it without the Guardian’s help.
No10 jumped quickly to say he’d done it as a private individual not in the role of a junior member of the government. The inference being if he’d done it as a government whip, he’d have had to go. And perhaps that’s fair enough - so not a sacking offence, but a resigning one.
The Guardian are merely the third group to come to the same conclusion.
As for the “what’s he done?” you’re taking, well you’re entitled to an opinion, and I’m not even going to point out it’s wrong, merely that No10 thing what he’s done is wrong hence why they need to distance themselves.
God help the Unis if they feel in any way threatened by a silly letter. As usual with sensational headlines the underlying story is pretty dull.
God help the Unis if they feel in any way threatened by a silly letter.
Agreed. They won’t. As I said previously.
Which makes him more of an imbecile not less in need of resignation.
teamhurtmore - Member
God help the Unis if they feel in any way threatened by a silly letter.
LOL truly got the blinkers on, remember when Trump asked for the names of those who had been presenting on climate change etc. politicians should not hold sway over universities - it was a big miscalculation by the MP hence why number 10 have distanced themselves from it.
Much like yourself they are very keen to avoid any discussion of Brexit and the potential impacts for fear of the entire idea becoming so deeply unpopular it has to be abandoned. That should tell you enough.
Indeed no one discusses brexit do they mike?
Given the driving out of Brexshiteers from their thread, that is a mighty rich accusation to make!
Still back to reality and the train moves slowly forwards
Reading and Comprehension THM, [b]you[/b] are very keen to tell people to move along and stop the conversation, many tory MP's seem to want to do the same, go forward like their limited set of blinkered options are the only ones available.
Nobody said you were any good at stopping the conversation despite your efforts.
and yes the train moves slowly forward to the startlingly obvious conclusion that the options are those set out by the EU and not much else. Taken a while for some of the idiots to get that.
Tusks comments suggest otherwise but that’s comprehension for you
did laugh on PM when they tory who stood up to defend him did so on the basis of 'if there's nothing to hide, why look like you're hiding something'
EM- we asked Mr Heaton-Harris for a comment but he referred us to the government.
We asked them for a comment but they said it wasn't a government matter, it was a private one.
We asked his constituency office for a comment but they referred us to Mr Heaton-Harris.
Mr Heaton-Harris has not responded to our further attempts to contact him.
Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck........
And THM.
Better still this is a letter to the Univeraity (sic) (no really) of Worcester - WTF is that???
From what i recall UofW is an offshoot of Birmingham Uni, set up in the war to move part of it out of Birmingham and away from bombing. It became an institution (awarding its own degrees) in its own right in 1997 and gained university status in 2004. It is the UK's fastest growing University.
I like you for many things, dislike you for others but thumbing your nose at them because they aren't a traditional University is very poor.
So nothing beyond using parliamentary paper to ask for info
What do you think he wants the info for?
LOL truly got the blinkers on, remember when Trump asked for the names of those who had been presenting on climate change
+1.
Yes TOJ that comment was poor - good point - hands up for that one.
Just reading the silly article, there seemed to be little comment coming from the sources I would have expected. They probably had the common sense to simply ignore the letter
Lookalike Toyota are getting twitchy about staying in the U.K. all going to plan.
They probably had the common sense to simply ignore the letter
Like the chancellor of Oxford University?
Heaton- Harris going for the Pete Townsend defence.
He is writing a book about Brexit( rather than collecting names for his bre-education camps) 😉
Every university in the country he wrote to apparently.
Anyone come up with a reason for writing to every university in the country?
I bet you can do better than “thinking of writing a book”.
He is writing a book about Brexit
Excellent. Negotiations must be going superb if he can take the time out to write a book. I would have thought any tory whip would be particularly busy at the moment trying to hold the party together but that must be fake news.
Anyone come up with a reason for writing to every university in the country?
Nah, they can't.
The BS is unreal.
That 6 week holiday this summer is looking ill-advised in the light of the City announcing contingency measures if the transitional arrangements aren't in place soon. [url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/24/principles-of-brexit-transition-will-be-agreed-soon-chancellor-says ]Source[/url]
We'll have a pretty good idea of how screwed we are in mid-2018 if they follow through on their plans
Trump is writing a book on climate science too. It's going to be bigly great, the greatest book you've ever seen.
The FS industry is v well prepared. That article is v backward looking. Banks know the issues, have the structural answers in place and like most businesses are not going to wait for politicians to tell then what to do
in the light of the City announcing contingency measures if the transitional arrangements aren't in place soon
That's the problem with May saying one thing to try and keep the EU happy and Hammond saying something else to stop the revolting brexiter MPs.
The rest of us caught in the middle not knowing which version of Tory reality is closer to truth
No, those involved merely get in with their preparations and ignore the noise
Yes THM they are going to spend a shitload of money, disrupt their businesses (even if just a bit) and weaken the UK economy, all for no purpose whatsoever when brexit is eventually cancelled. Tally ho!
Fortunately that is not correct
David Davies on BBC news avoiding MPs questions
teamhurtmore - Member
Fortunately that is not correct
Didn't realise you were carrying out all this Brexit prep-work on a charitable basis !
I have a close relative who has been traveling out to Luxembourg to set up an office to replace a great deal of the functionality currently in London. This is entirely as a result of brexit I can't see this as anything other than additional expense and inconvenience to the business and as this is a removal of work from the UK detrimental to our economy.
a billion pounds spent or allocated for HM gov to work out its position in brexit talks
Is that still worth 10votes?
This 'taking back control' thing is working out nicely:
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/25/david-davis-mps-might-not-get-vote-on-final-deal-until-after-brexit ]"David Davis: MPs might not get vote on final deal until after Brexit"[/url]
This 'taking back control' thing is working out nicely:
Got to make sure the right people take back control. The plebs have done their duty. Rather than once every 5 years, this time they have excelled themselves.
So, THM.
Have you come up with that benign reason yet why Heaton-Harris would want that list?
Or are you going to do your usual and just parrot the 'writing a book' line?
I guess we will see if THM holds us at the same level of contempt that the Tories hold the electorate at to come up with such a pathetically implausible excuse.
Danny. No. I don’t give a monkeys left testicle about the non story. I have no “lie to parrot”. Sorry to disappoint
So the Tories contempt for voters - a government that argued for remain, accepts the decision of those who disagreed and has now committed to delivering their promise. Odd defition of contempt
Now if they had said, “sorry we were only pretending and never intended to fulfil the propmise especially since you plebs are too thick to see through the lies. The whole things off. Tough.” Then you might be on to something
So the Tories contempt for voters - a government that argued for remain, accepts the decision of those who disagreed and has now committed to delivering their promise. Odd defition of contempt
so £350M is on the way for the NHS? today or tomorrow?
As for the single market staying in and why all the pandering to the hard brexiteers?
You seem to be confusing the government/Tories and Brexshiteers. It “should” be obvious that they are not one and the same thing
“Staying in”,ditto. I may have mentioned before but in/out is a non question. We are giving up “membership of” and are now negotiating “access to” the single market. The hardliners would prefer relying on WTO. Rather than pander to that the government is currently negotiating a unique deal to allow us to continue to have “access to” the single market
Sorry if the truth is a lot less dramatic than the froth
Rather than pander to that the government is currently negotiating a unique deal to allow us to continue to have “access to” the single market
Must not take the mickey
You can try 😉
The only real news over the weekend is that both parties are now clearly articulating the dangers of no-deal/hard Brexshit and working to ensure that this does not happen
So we have made progress albeit far too slowly
& hes contradicting what May has just said
is he deliberately undermining her, just lying habitually or are the Torys really that confused?