Junior went along to a political meeting with Benoit Hammond last night. I'd have tagged along but it was rock and roll night. Hammond is very pro-EU but is well aware of what needs changing to level the EU playing field. I don't want to vote Fillon who keeps coming out with Christian references and promises presents for the rich - I'm not poor but don't feel I should get presents when others are more in need (I normally vote centre right and have stretched as far as Sarko but Fillon is right of Marine). I may well go along to the socialist primaries and give Hammond a vote.
Fillon is taking votes from the FN on the right , so LePen needs a new strategy .
We'll be ok in Yorkshire, them at the WTO will ave t come begging to get us in. Same with EU lot, how else are going to a bit of decent beer int rest of the world.
They'll be wantin' us coal soon an' all.
I'm not poor but don't feel I should get presents when others are more in need (I normally vote centre right and have stretched as far as Sarko but Fillon is right of Marine). I may well go along to the socialist primaries and give Hammond a vote.
I do wonder if fillion is too right for many and will end up with lepenn winning
is it a straight run off between all of them or does it get whuttled down to 2
lepenns comments seemed rather pro EU, tbh, wants to stay in the union but out of teh Euro with minimal upset
Ha ha, er, it's not actually funny is it?
AFAIK Le Pen's position has always been a Referendum on leaving the euro and her campaigning for that. The stretch to a Referendum on the EU only appeared more recently. Most of Le Pen's policies are quite left, FN won towns from the Communists in the South and the Northen heartland is ex-mining.
Edukator those choices are ok for the first round but in R2 it's likely to be Fillion v Le Pen
Will post up about the Cambridge Uni report later when I've read it, according to press slated Osbourne and the Treasury for their extremely pessimistic and politicised Brexit Armageddon predictions
b r's post isnt more scary than funny because it just shows how bonkers the brexiteers running the country are!
wonder what the economist thinks of May's approach
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Yet caution has started to look like indecision. Her most senior official in Brussels has just resigned, saying that the government does not have a clear Brexit plan. After six months it is hard to name a single signature policy, and easy to cite U-turns. Some are welcome: a silly promise to put workers on company boards, for instance, was abandoned; a dreadful plan to make firms list their foreign employees lasted less than a week; and hints at curbing the Bank of England’s independence were quietly forgotten. Selective “grammar” schools will be resurrected—but only on a small scale, and perhaps not at all, given how many Tory MPs oppose the idea. Other reversals smack of dithering. The construction of a new nuclear plant at Hinkley Point was put in doubt, then given the go-ahead; a new runway at Heathrow airport was all but agreed on, then deferred until a parliamentary vote next year. “Just-about-managing” households were the prime minister’s lodestar for a week or so, then dropped. So were suggestions that Britain would seek a transitional deal with the EU after Brexit—until they were recirculated a few weeks later when Mrs May apparently changed her mind once again.The cause of this disarray could be that Mayism itself is muddled. While vowing to make Britain “the strongest global advocate for free markets”, the prime minister has also talked of reviving a “proper industrial strategy”. This is not about “propping up failing industries or picking winners”, she insists. Yet unspecified “support and assurances” to Nissan to persuade the carmaker to stay in Sunderland after Brexit amount to more or less that. Her enthusiasm for trade often sits uncomfortably with her scepticism of migration. Consider the recent trip to India, where her unwillingness to give way on immigration blocked progress on a free-trade agreement.
Will post up about the Cambridge Uni report later when I've read it,
jamba, you are now a fan of experts!?!?
what would Gove say?!
Ill save you the hassle the conclusion is that Brexit will cost us 2% of GDP rather than 5% as predicted by the treasury under Osborne , that assumes a transitional deal and a proper trade deal with the EU, not WTO.
kimbers - Memberb r's post isnt more scary than funny because it just shows how bonkers the brexiteers running the country are!
Yes, it might sound bonkers to the remainders but they will have to comply whether they like it or not. Comply. 😆
wonder what the economist thinks of May's approach
These bunch of low energy people cannot even predict the economy crisis with their crystal ball now have plenty to say. Like me mate John says " ... they can only predict events that already happened ..." 😆 I predict far east economy crisis in 1995. 😀
PM May - you just relax, sit comfortably, enjoy your fashion and continue with your plan as the people are behind you.
PM May you go girl! eeehhmm ! 
PM May - you just relax, sit comfortably, enjoy your fashion and continue with your plan as the people are behind you.
relax!!
haha why do you think shes wearing brown trousers
her constituency voted remain didnt they 😉
heres a further quote from them...
Like Mrs Merkel, Mrs May has seen off rivals through canny manoeuvring; she bides her time, knowing when to speak up and when (as in the referendum campaign) to stay quiet. Like Gordon Brown, she is prone to overblown rhetoric, irritability and indecisiveness. The biggest worry, though, is that she may also share his inability to adapt—the key difference between Mr Brown and Mrs Merkel.
kimbers - Memberheres a further quote from them...
I can predict ex-PM Brown says an economy with no "... boom or burst ..." 😀
I wish Merkel, the low energy person, to speak strongly in support of EU bureaucratic policy even more. Yes, she should speak more often now and speak with a stronger tone. Be insistence ... 😛
I predict chewy will spout more drivel. Hang on, I've got that wrong, I predict has spouted lots of drivel. Though it's all the same isn't it?
[quote=chewkw ]PM May - you just relax, sit comfortably, enjoy your fashion and continue with your plan as the people are behind you.
Like her MPs - the only difference is that not all of the people have a knife ready in their hands.
aracer - Member
Like her MPs - the only difference is that not all of the people have a knife ready in their hands.
Let me predict this for you ... 😀
It is politics and that is their way of life.
The ones that say they don't are usually the ones with an even larger humongous, gigantic knife ready to pounce. 🙄
Chewkw, am I misremembering, or don't you live in the Far East somewhere?
Assuming I'm not; why do you care?
Let me predict this for you ...
I'm not so sure of your predictions chewy .... trump appointed another Goldman Sachs exec today
From ... From the Far East ... [b][u]From[/u][/b] ...Cougar - Moderator
Chewkw, am I misremembering, or don't you live in the Far East somewhere?
Now in the Toon so I care ... Oh ya I do object to EU meddling in other affairs beyond EU.Assuming I'm not; why do you care?
Trump knows what he is doing ... now they have to listen to him. 😆kimbers - Member
Let me predict this for you ...
I'm not so sure of your predictions chewy .... trump appointed another Goldman Sachs exec today
From ... From the Far East
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Now in the Toon so I care ...
Ah ok, fair enough. I thought it was the other way around. I sit corrected, sorry. As you were.
Cougar - Moderator
Ah ok, fair enough. I thought it was the other way around. I sit corrected, sorry. As you were.
Folks should remember me good contributions ...
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38510423 ]some interesting stuff on farming[/url]
From ... From the Far East ... From ...Now in the Toon so I care ... Oh ya I do object to EU meddling in other affairs beyond EU.
When I was abroad I considered renouncing citizenship and going native, but respect to you for going the whole hog. It can't have been easy.
We need to find someone like this guy fast:
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Actually we need to find someone far more talented than him, and who is willing to do it.
At least when Keynes went to the Federal Reserve cap in hand we had some moral high ground to work with, what with bankrupting ourselves standing up to genocidal fascism.
Now we need someone who will go cap in hand to the very people we have just turned round and kicked in the nuts for no other reason than petty insularity and thinly veiled racism.
Who is going to be able to get a deal that even comes close to breaking even versus remain?
I think we need to start considering things we can actually influence. Maybe something like who is going to sew the costumes for our negotiators?
Perhaps something like this?
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captainsasquatch - Member
From ... From the Far East ... From ...
Now in the Toon so I care ... Oh ya I do object to EU meddling in other affairs beyond EU.When I was abroad I considered renouncing citizenship and going native, but respect to you for going the whole hog. It can't have been easy.
I do it for GeordieLand (nothing to renounce)... easy as peanuts coz people are people all over the world. Same shite different place in different languages and cultures.
I do it for GeordieLand ... easy as peanuts coz people are people all over the world. Same shite different place in different languages and cultures.
I haven't a clue what this means, I'm sure it means something to your fellow Geordies. Congrats on your UK passport and relief at not having to do the language test too, I imagine.
captainsasquatch - Member
I do it for GeordieLand ... easy as peanuts coz people are people all over the world. Same shite different place in different languages and cultures.I haven't a clue what this means, I'm sure it means something to your fellow Geordies. Congrats on your UK passport.
Erh? What UK passport? Do you need that to be in GeordieLand? Permanent Residency perhaps?
Erh? What UK passport? Do you need that to be in GeordieLand? Permanent Residency perhaps?
My apologies, I assumed that from you forthrightedness and opining that it was from the position of a victorious voter. But it's nothing important afterall. I'm not sure why you're that bothered by it then.
Folks should remember me good contributions ...
Ooh I must have been asleep, could you repost them?
I am from Newcastle and also have no clue about chewkw's ramblings - although the use of "shite"in that context tends to point to an indigenous local? Have I blown your cover chewkw....
Brexit Victory! I like victory me. Hurray for Brexit!captainsasquatch - Member
... opining that it was from the position of a victorious voter.
slowoldman - Member
Folks should remember me good contributions ...
Ooh I must have been asleep, could you repost them?
You missed all that I have posted?
C'mon ... I have replied to most of the doubters.
You really need to start putting more attention to my thread contributions you know. 😛
Slight hijack ...
Greetings pet!oldmanmtb - Member
I am from Newcastle and also have no clue about chewkw's ramblings -
Mutual respect here coz I haven't a clue what me mates (locals) are talking about with their very thick Geordie accent and local slangs ... 😆 Even colleagues from London have to stretch their ears to listen and to understand.
Alright Pet? (local greetings) - My response the first time when I heard that - What pet? Whose pet? Who is pet? 😆 Old shipbuilder was laughing his head off.
although the use of "shite"in that context tends to point to an indigenous local? Have I blown your cover chewkw....
Me mates from Cramlington always use the term "shite" when it is EU related so I just join them.
Chewkw sounds more Hull than Newcastle to me.
Chewkw speaking Geordie earlier:
[quote=chewkw ]Folks should remember me good contributions ...
That should be easy, I can normally remember one or two things at a time. Do be sure to point it out when you make one. 😉
@Klunk, yes agreed interesting. There are tremendous opportunities and of course threats if a future government decides ultra cheap imported food is the way forward.
Edukator - Reformed Troll
Chewkw sounds more Hull than Newcastle to me.
Do they use the term "pet" too? 😆
ninfan - Member
Chewkw speaking Geordie earlier:
That is hilarious coz those two detectives almost reacted similar to me when I first spoke to a proper local. As for that "Geordie" I don't think that is the right accent because there isn't the up and down tone. 😆
Exactly the way me Merican Texan cowboy colleague reacted the first time he spoke to the locals. The look on his face ... 😆
Folks should remember me good contributions
It's tough to remember them all individually given the quantity over an extended period. It's more about treating it as a whole body of work, a bit like Shakespear's sonnets 🙂
We just need 999 more monkeys and typewriters...
[i]Rocester-based digger giant JCB has started 2017 by winning one of the biggest single orders in its 71-year history – a $142-million deal to supply the United States Army with a massive fleet of machines[/i]
#Britaindoesntmakeanythinganymore
#DamnYouBrexit
Cramlington! I might have known.
The fact we are still in the EU hasn't stopped JCB bagging that lovely big export order with a non-EU customer.
Was that your point Ninfan?
$142 million? Even after allowing for devaluation of the pound that's still less than 3 days of savings
Cambridge Report.
Some fairly pessimistic scenarios which are less onerous than the Tressury ones (which are critised as being excessively negative and have been proven to be so in the last 6 months). They describe the outlook under their model as "grey rather than black" and point out that is really unchanged vs prior to Brexit (ie they where neagtive before). A lot of the negatives are offset by a lower exchange rate. They see little impact on services.
One intresting page is this one, it really shows how trade with the EU is increasingly less important due to stagnant EU economies underperforming the RoW. Our exports to the EU have grown 4% in 10 years, non EU 40%+ !! Look to the future now it's only just begun (as Slade would say 🙂 )
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The fact that India etc are growing faster than any of us, and importing more from us, is more about where in their development cycle they are, and lower exposure to credit when the crunch bit hard. In the second half of 2016 India grew to be worth more than the UK for the first time. Of course an ideal country to get better trade deals and arrangements with and make the most of their appetite to trade with us… the EU tried, but talks stalled whenever the UK got twitchy about movement of key workers… it is the UK government that keeps blocking better trading terms with India. So how does leaving the EU make it easier to trade with these non-EU countries we should be looking to trade more and more with?
We need trade deals and agreements. Not want. [b]Need[/b]. They are essential to increase trade. No, they're essential just to keep current levels of trade! We're about to throw away trade deals with 70+ countries, and agreements with many more, basically all the countries we trade with, and want to increase exports to. Remember that, even countries with no formal trade deal (of which there are few not "most") have trading arrangements. And we still haven't even got the staff sorted to begin on the first replacement deal.
