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"Hi-tech financial firms flee UK amid doubts over Brexit
Leading ‘fintech’ player says ‘the exodus is beginning’ as members of £6bn industry start seeking other bases in Europe "
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/25/brexit-fintech-exodus-begins-london-eu-luxembourg
The Referendum made clear we wanted Freedom of Movement to end
How do you figure that?
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That seems a fairly clear element of the campaign.
Another thought, the rights for citizens is going to get messy. Really messy.
Speculation is there will be no cut off date on rights all the way up to the actual Brexit date.
And both sides say the want to preserve citizens rights after Brexit.
This is the messy bit now.
So if I move to (say) France for a week or two straddling the Brexit date, tell my bank and work I'm now in France (my director is awaiting his Irish passport so stunts will be appreciated) file the relevant paperwork (bound to be some) with the local mayor in France then let them know I'm taking an extended holiday in the UK - what's going to stop me?
If the two principles above are held to be true, vey little. But folk ain't going to stand for that (actually pick the right mayor in France and they might well) so the principles will be abandoned at some point and the shouting will begin.
its true, the daily mail , telegraph, sun etc, etc have spent years whipping up fear and spreading lies about immigrants, it was something the brexiters were very happy to capitalise on throughout the campaign
The Referendum made clear we wanted Freedom of Movement to endNo it didn't. There were many and varied reasons people voted leave.
Out and out racism by some Leavers like UKIP, and the tacit endorsement of that racism by the rest of the leavers with their happiness to go along with it (or, at the very best, their refusal to condemn it) were a huge element in the result.
To deny that is frankly laughable
"you claim I dont give a toss about my kids EU citizenship because ive looked at moving to Canada"
Unfortunate and unhelpful turn of phrase I used, but yes, I think that being in the EU cannot be *that* important to you if you're considering emigrating to a non-EU country, when there are 27 EU countries you could move to with any climate/landscape you could ever wish for.
...and you also mention Spain as a possibility, which is being crippled by the Euro to the point it might well have to be the next country to leave the EU if the EU won't let then leave the EZ which they're obliged to be in by the Treaty of Maastricht(sp?).
So yeah, sorry about the tone, not sure why I chose those words, but the point is not misrepresenting you at all, being in the EU isn't a deal breaker to you.
Binners he said "we" - not "some of us".
Plenty of people voted leave because of the bus and other reasons. Some just as an anti-London protest.
If another country leaves, things will get REALLY interesting.
And they know that, so I think they will bend over backwards to keep Spain and everyone else in.
Part of me is thinking that might be good if more people leave, cos then they might be forced to scrap it and start again with something else, to which we can join up again.
The end of the euro might not be a bad thing, it is one of the less welome parts of Europe, but the EU is overall brilliant and everyone but the racists and xenophobes (and people with specific chips on their shoulders) will miss it when it's gone from these shores.
That seems a fairly clear element of the campaign.
As was claiming we would have money for the NHS and would remain in the single market and so on.
One advantage the out campaign had was it was multiple campaigns each promising different groups different things.
Out and out racism by some Leavers like UKIP, and the tacit endorsement of that racism by the rest of the leavers with their happiness to go along with it (or, at the very best, their refusal to condemn it) were a huge element in the result.
its true, the daily mail , telegraph, sun etc, etc have spent years whipping up fear and spreading lies about immigrants
Enough people voted leave due to the NHS-bus for the leave campaign director to think they may not have won without it.
The EU is a protectionist organisation. Its about blocking external trade and competition.
It's a trade block. Part of its job is protectionism, no?
i.e. If it gave tariff free access to the whole world then what would be the point of the block?
Don't forget that we benefit(ed) from that protection too, e.g. the non-EU tariffs on lamb/mutton prices that keep our sheep industry viable.
The Referendum made clear we wanted Freedom of Movement to end
Nothing on the ballot paper mentioned Freedom of Movement. Several of my Brexit friends gave other reasons for wanting out (sovereignty, trade deals, self determination etc) and said they would be sorry to lose FOM.
So no, I don't think you can claim that at all.
It was clearly an element of the campaign and no doubt a motivating factor in [i]some[/i] of Leave votes, but not [i]all[/i] of them.
For Erasmus, Switzerland is a useful case study. Used to be an Erasmus member, got unceremoniously kicked out because they don't allow free movement, that's a proven red line. As damage limitation they built a custom alternative called SEMP which does some of the same things, less well, but needed a ton of extra work and spending and gives access to far less institutions- for which the Swiss have to pay the costs both for their students going abroad, and for all exchange students travelling to Switzerland.
This all caused a reported 40% fall in exchange students to and from Switzerland, and sadly destroyed a lot of students' plans and some longstanding institutional relationships, it was massively disruptive. This could possibly go better for us since it was a cliff-edge for them, but equally we might just keep repeating "erasmus means erasmus" and have it be a total mismanaged disaster.
One key difference often overlooked is that they had been a full Erasmus member for only a couple of years and so didn't have it as inbuilt or as many exchange partnerships in place as the UK does after 30. For us it's both more integrated and more valuable.
What does that mean in practice? Basically, while the SEMP program is good, it's not quite as good at anything as Erasmus. After all the key point of Erasmus is commonality and simplicity. It doesn't usually offer enough to make it worth the extra trouble of setting up new partnerships with a Swiss institution instead of an EU one, in fact we've broken off several. And there's equally little reason for our students to deal with the extra trouble and limitations of going there instead of an Erasmus partner.
In theory you can still do study abroad in Switzerland. I say in theory because since they left, nobody's done an exchange there because it's as much or more hassle as doing it in the States, Australia or Canada, offers far less choice, and has no real benefits unless you really like fondue. And if you want to stay closer to home, you probably do Erasmus, because why would you not? Again more choice, and less hassle, and no reason not to.
Going the other way is important too- and we do have a bit of an advantage over the swiss because of the language. But not over Australia, Canada and the States, or Maastricht or other English language european institutions, all of which are more welcoming to foreign students already, never mind after Brexit.
And of course, Erasmus isn't just about exchange students- we send staff abroad on erasmus exchanges, there are erasmus traineeships and internships, and as far as I know the Swiss have lost it all.
(there [i]is[/i] one marginal benefit- people who don't know anything about it are sometimes more impressed by being a SEMP scholar than an Erasmus scholar, because Erasmus has a bit of a soft gap yah rep whereas nobody knows what SEMP is outside of the trade)
Basically, this all sucks for the Swiss and it will suck similarly for us. Some might consider this a price worth paying, and fair enough if you do, but anyone that claims there's no price and no damage is lying to you, and it's kids that'll pay that price.
Eldest child is 6 so potentially big upheaval for them
If you're going to do it, probably better now than when they are older.
My parents looked at emigrating to Germany about 50 years ago (mum was German) but held back because of us kids. I've never been convinced it was the right decision.
The EU is a protectionist organisation. Its about blocking external trade and competition.
It's about regulating rather than blocking. I buy guitar parts from Warmoth in the US and pay the import duty with a smile - they respect the rules so the value of the goods is accurately stated in the paperwork. I used to import stuff for my business, pay the duty, no problem. However, I feel very miffed when a Hong Kong company sends me something in a white envelope and there's nothing at all to pay when it arrives.
tjagain - MemberIt really does amuse me how far detached from reality the leavers are. I loved Merkels slap down of May over trade deals.
May has almost no bargaining chips here. The EU can survive without the UK quite easily and playing hardball is in many ways to the EUs advantage
Come on you leavers - give me one reason why the EU will give the UK any concessions?
I'm not a leaver (should probably get that tattooed) but you are making the mistake once more of viewing the EU as one entity, which it is not (yet).
We do not trade with the EU.
We trade with individual member states, or businesses within those member states.
You can dilute the effect that a loss of trade would have by dividing it by all the EU member states if it suits your argument, but it is false to do so.
As an example, if an unfavourable trade deal resulted in us buying fewer German cars (the UK is Germany's biggest customer of car exports), who would suck up the loss of trade and jobs? The EU?
Portugal or the Czech Republic aren't going to suddenly compensate Germany for their loss.
It would be Germany alone that would suffer, and it would be political suicide for a German politician to facilitate such a situation.
Of course, this has been pointed out before, but then there are far more posters willing to ignore than a willing to repost.
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Just to pick one German car manufacturer yes sbob I would expect Portugal and the Czech Republic to take some of the hit - see below.
Volkswagen has factories in many parts of the world, manufacturing or assembling vehicles for local markets. In addition to plants in Germany, Volkswagen has manufacturing or assembly facilities in Mexico, the US, Slovakia, China, India, Indonesia, Russia, Malaysia, Brazil, Argentina, Portugal, Spain, Poland, the Czech Republic, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and South Africa. In 2011, Volkswagen was named in the top 25 largest companies in the world by the Forbes Global 2000
Kids are dependent, teenagers are independent, but grown ups are interdependent. The UK is throwing a teenage strop.
Germany (and to a slightly lesser extent, France) will find a balance between loss of exports due to tariffs and a further loss of stability to the EU. They'll tell the rest of the EU what has to be done. A few ministers will stamp feet but essentially, a balance will be found that both parties will go back to their people and describe as a "they need us more than we need them" win. Their people will suck it up and thump a few tubs. The rest of the EU will (more or less) do as it's told. As thm is fond of saying (and I agree with him on this one), a deal will be struck - it won't be better than the current deal for either party but it won't be as one sided as pessimists or optimists believe.
I've read several times that the big German car firms will prioritise EU integrity over exports to the UK.
& it's not like their sales are going to stop, even if they take a hit.
Living somewhere with EU membership won't keep dependents' EU citizenship if/when the UK leaves the EU.
As @dd says, you'd have to get the kids (and yourself) an EU member state passport. I'll say again there is no such thing as EU citizenship. Its a bluff / marketing term.
igm - MemberJust to pick one German car manufacturer yes sbob I would expect Portugal and the Czech Republic to take some of the hit
Some, but not most.
Either way my point stands.
Depends on the model I suspect sbob.
I think you need to go and properly research the issue before we can tell if you have a point and if it stands.
At the moment it's just assertion.
mattjg - Member
I've read several times that the big German car firms will prioritise EU integrity over exports to the UK.& it's not like their sales are going to stop, even if they take a hit.
No impact whatsoever if German car firms decide not to export to UK. Totally irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. There are plenty of car firms that want to export to UK put it this way. With German car firms out of the way the competition become less and other car firms can enter UK with less competition.
igm - MemberDepends on the model I suspect sbob.
I think you need to go and properly research the issue before we can tell if you have a point and if it stands.
At the moment it's just assertion.
My point was that the EU is not single entity, and that it is foolish to consider it as such.
Not really anything to discuss on that matter.
My fault for not picking a better example.
Maybe I should have used Greece not compensating us for the loss of Ford Transit production instead. 😉
There are plenty of car firms that want to export to UK put it this way. With German car firms out of the way the competition become less and other car firms can enter UK with less competition.
What are you talking about,they will still export to the UK, its just we will have to live with an additional 10% overhead due to tariffs.
Not getting a trade deal, doesn't mean you can't trade with the UK at all as we have WTO rules.
Chewkw in wrong end of stick moment - who'd have thought?
richc - Member
What are you talking about,they will still export to the UK, its just we will have to live with an additional 10% overhead due to tariffs.Not getting a trade deal, doesn't mean you can't trade with the UK at all as we have WTO rules.
What is 10% when you drive a German car eh? 10% that's peanuts! Absolutely peanuts ... 😆
It's still peanuts even if they increase it to 30% with you lot rich middle class people. 😆
I was referring to someone making a big deal about German car firms trading with UK etc ...
edit: in SE Asia ... it's 200% at one point ... still you get about 5% of the people cruising in one but they are mainly cronies ...
igm - Member
Chewkw in wrong end of stick moment - who'd have thought?
I drive a Toyota if that helps. 😆
It is not the end of the world if you don't drive a German car you know ... 😆
More helpfully, sbob you are right that the EU is not a single entity (though they are working hard on a united front), but nor are countries (see the dis-United Kingdom as an example) and in fact not even big companies are single entities.
So the point is somewhat moot when you consider the interdependent nature of national economies (particularly within a tight trading bloc) and the united front the EU countries are currently (and it may change) showing.
Agreed?
Chewkw - is that a genuine British car then? Wow.
I have no idea what the nationality of my car is - wasn't a consideration for me. Price and function were.
My wife is on her 5th German car and 4 (VWs) were pretty poor by my reckoning - but she didn't get a choice. The fifth one is very nice. Nicely thought out and well built - still looking very fresh at 100k miles. I was skeptical but I actually think it was a good deal now - mind you I did spend some time playing dealers off against one another when we bought it.
It is not the end of the world if you don't drive a German car you know ...
I'm confused, you do know that we will have to pay tariffs on imported cars from *anywhere* not just the EU?
The issue is that the car's won't be made here, as it makes little sense to do so. As the manufacturers have a choice of paying a tariff when shipping to one country (UK) or 27 (EU); which isn't a tough choice.
igm - Member
Chewkw - is that a genuine British car then? Wow.
C'mon, I did not say it's British.
I do and I prefer Toyota. German car are fine but just not for me, not sure why people are making such a big deal of German car firms decision tbh. FFS! 10% is peanuts. 🙄I have no idea what the nationality of my car is - wasn't a consideration for me. Price and function were.
richc - Member
I'm confused, you do know that we will have to pay tariffs on imported cars from *anywhere* not just the EU?
So there is tariffs what's the big deal? What's your point? 10% tariffs is that a joke? What is 10%? Peanuts.
Go where ever they wish. Not the end of the world. Where I used to be imported car cost as much as a house. I am used to that. 🙄The issue is that the car's won't be made here, as it makes little sense to do so. As the manufacturers have a choice of paying a tariff when shipping to one country (UK) or 27 (EU); which isn't a tough choice.
Has anyone been reading (or, ahem, reading excerpts on twitter like me 🙂 ) any of the Great Repeal Bill white paper?
As Ian Dunt says, the amount of work it skips over is vast. 2 years? 😆
What is 10%?
Would you be happy to take a 10% pay cut? If not why not it's only 10%, which is peanuts.
@dd i like the way it allows the government a freehand to "fill in gaps"
i.e. make up laws as they see fit.
Yes, I am happy if everyone is getting the same pay cut. 🙄richc - Member
What is 10%?
Would you be happy to take a 10% pay cut? If not why not it's only 10%, which is peanuts.
Chewkw - what I meant was a fair number of Toyotas are from Derby. You might be driving a British car.
Of course where cars are made is not about the cost. It's about jobs as I think others have been suggesting.
I do and I prefer Toyota. German car are fine but just not for me, not sure why people are making such a big deal of German car firms decision tbh. FFS! 10% is peanuts.
In order to demonstrate the leaver claim that "they need us more than we need them and Germany will cave under pressure from the car firms" is false.
Hope that's not too complicated to follow.
Even better!igm - Member
Chewkw - what I meant was a fair number of Toyotas are from Derby. You might be driving a British car.
Point is I drive a Toyota so am totally and absolutely bias towards Toyota. 😛
deadlydarcy - Member
Has anyone been reading (or, ahem, reading excerpts on twitter like me ) any of the Great Repeal Bill white paper?
I love the bit where we "Transpose existing EU legislation into domestic UK law". I.e. copy and paste EU law and call it UK law.
Now THAT really is "taking back control".
mattjg - Member
I do and I prefer Toyota. German car are fine but just not for me, not sure why people are making such a big deal of German car firms decision tbh. FFS! 10% is peanuts.
In order to demonstrate the leaver claim that "they need us more than we need them and Germany will cave under pressure from the car firms" is false.
Hope that's not too complicated to follow.
Nobody says Germany will cave in under pressure from their car industry. They simply cannot and not allowed to. How they deal with their own car industry is entirely up to them.
My view is that all this tit for tat action (if there is any) will settle down once they realise that it's just a waste of time.
In order to demonstrate the leaver claim that "they need us more than we need them and Germany will cave under pressure from the car firms" is false.
I'm not even sure what chewkw's point is (not sure he is either mind you).
chewkw: are you arguing that a 10% tarriff is "peanuts" so it won't have a real impact on German car sales here?
If so then you are [i]agreeing[/i] with mattjg that the Leaver tactic is wrong and German car manufacturers [i]won't[/i] pressure their government to strike a good deal with the UK?
Nobody says Germany will cave in under pressure from their car industry.
Err... yes they do.
This whole thread of the conversation was started by [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/eu-referendum-are-you-in-or-out/page/746?replies=26124#post-8383985 ]sbob saying[/url] : [i]"if an unfavourable trade deal resulted in us buying fewer German cars...
It would be Germany alone that would suffer, and it would be political suicide for a German politician to facilitate such a situation."[/i]
And the more general [i]"They need us more than we need them"[/i] has been a central argument of Leavers claiming that we can get a good deal with Europe.
GrahamS - Member
In order to demonstrate the leaver claim that "they need us more than we need them and Germany will cave under pressure from the car firms" is false.
I'm not even sure what chewkw's point is (not sure he is either mind you).chewkw: are you arguing that a 10% tarriff is "peanuts" so it won't have a real impact on German car sales here?
If so then you are agreeing with mattjg that the Leaver tactic is wrong and German car manufacturers won't pressure their government to strike a good deal with the UK?
Really you guys need to give it a rest ... you cannot keep getting your knickers in the twist over 10% regardless of who that 10% are for. 10% either way is peanuts and a waste of time so no big deal.
Crikey, shall we wait and see rather than all the speculation? 😮GrahamS - Member
Nobody says Germany will cave in under pressure from their car industry.
Err... yes they do.
Really you guys need to give it a rest ... you cannot keep getting your knickers in the twist over 10% regardless of who that 10% are for. 10% either way is peanuts and a waste of time so no big deal.
Fair enough - as long as you recognise you are completely contradicting what many prominent Leavers are saying?
For example David Davis:
Free trade with Britain is in all their interests.This is particularly true of the most powerful leader in Europe, Angela Merkel.
Her economy is dependent on exports, particularly of manufacturers, and especially of cars. Britain is the second largest and fastest growing car market in Europe.
Audi, BMW, Mercedes, and Volkswagen alone are over 25% of the British market, with the UK buying one million cars from Germany every year.
They cannot afford the threat being levelled at Britain, so called “WTO terms”, because they would involve a 10% levy on all car imports.
A German Chancellor would have to avoid this, particularly in an election year. In Europe, what a German Chancellor wants, a German Chancellor generally gets.-- http://www.daviddavismp.com/david-davis-gives-a-speech-making-the-case-for-brexit/
For example David Davis:
In fairness Davis contradicts himself often enough as well.
Chewkw just likes arguing and trying to provoke reaction.
Chewkw - the pro-Britain, anti-Brexit folk agree that Germany is unlikely to go running for their mummy at the concept of a bit of a tariff on cars. The anti-Britain, pro-Brexit types disagree with you - but they're a bunch of traitors so who cares.
igm - Member
Chewkw just likes arguing and trying to provoke reaction.
On the contrary I think we should chill, relax whatever but try not to make it a big deal.
Pro what and anti what ... 😆Chewkw - the pro-Britain, anti-Brexit folk agree that Germany is unlikely to go running for their mummy at the concept of a bit of a tariff on cars. The anti-Britain, pro-Brexit types disagree with you - but they're a bunch of traitors so who cares.
Nobody says Germany will cave in under pressure from their car industry.
This argument has been used many times by leavers aiming to show "they need us more than we need them".
Yes, if they start messing UK in a big way ... 🙄mattjg - Member
Nobody says Germany will cave in under pressure from their car industry.
This argument has been used many times by leavers aiming to show "they need us more than we need them".
On the contrary I think we should chill, relax whatever but try not to make it a big deal.
You don't get to decide what's a big deal and what's not.
Edited by me.
he's just trolling.
"Despite its trade deficit with Germany, Britain is as economically dependent on Germany as vice versa – and a lot more dependent on the EU as a whole. Even German businesses, which are deeply linked to the EU via supply chains and investment, value the integrity of the single market and the EU more than tariff-free access to the UK market."
etc etc
chewkw: do you even understand what you are arguing about?
Because, as is often the case, I have absolutely no idea what your point is 😕
You're directly contradicting what the Rt Hon Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union claims and then telling us to chillax because they know what they are doing.
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GrahamS - Member
chewkw: do you even understand what you are arguing about?
Because, as is often the case, I have absolutely no idea what your point is
Very simple. Let them do their job first. [b]Stop speculating. [/b]
All we are doing here is to show our own opinions that's all.
Who is contradicting who is not important because nothing has happened yet.
Let the govt negotiates with them first ...
The Rt Hon Secretary of State will know what to do and will do it for the benefit of the UK.You're directly contradicting what the Rt Hon Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union claims and then telling us to chillax because they know what they are doing.
All we are doing here is to show our own opinions that's all.
Okay so your [i]opinion[/i] is that David Davis is wrong? Yes?
Based on what exactly, if not [i]speculation[/i]?
I love the bit where we "Transpose existing EU legislation into domestic UK law". I.e. copy and paste EU law and call it UK law.Now THAT really is "taking back control"
Indeed.
Graham can you go back to debating with the flat earthers and stop trying to find some logic in his views 😉
UK has lost already 20% of its spending power, another 10% makes German cars 30% more expensive.
Is that enough???
yiman - Member
deadlydarcy - Member
Has anyone been reading (or, ahem, reading excerpts on twitter like me ) any of the Great Repeal Bill white paper?
I love the bit where we "Transpose existing EU legislation into domestic UK law". I.e. copy and paste EU law and call it UK law.Now THAT really is "taking back control".
As is the bit which says (to paraphrase slightly) - there's quite a lot to get through so we might need to use a procedure which is fairly light on parliamentary scrutiny. Wonderful.
As is the bit which says (to paraphrase slightly) - there's quite a lot to get through so we might need to use a procedure which is fairly light on parliamentary scrutiny. Wonderful.
That'll all be the EU's fault too. Just you wait...
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It's more circular than the religious threads. I didn't think it possible.
I'm confused, you do know that we will have to pay tariffs on imported cars from *anywhere* not just the EU?
Yup so a level playing field for everyone. As I posted before in that scenario a tariff free trade deal with Japan and a focus on Hybrid technology would be a smart move in my book. German and French manufacturers have lead the way in poisoning us with Diesels anyway.
We export £15bn worth of cars and import £40bn with the EU. They'd be totally bonkers not to agree tariff free deal for car manufacturing and import/export.
For Erasmus, Switzerland is a useful case study. Used to be an Erasmus member, got unceremoniously kicked out because they don't allow free movement, that's a proven red line
Northwind Inappreciate this is what you do for a living but my understanding is
1) Switzerland got kicked out as they refused to pay the membership fee
2) Canada, Australia etc don't have freedom of movement. Switzerland voted against Freedom of Movement in a Referendum in 2014 (?) but they never imolemented it as EU blocked its removal.
Erasmus is going to continue for UK Unis .. just wait and see. Just another scaremingering story like WW3 and a global recession casued by Brexit
They'd be totally bonkers not to agree tariff free deal for car manufacturing and import/export.
But chewkw just spent ages explaining that a 10% tariff was peanuts and would have no impact on import/exports.
The Rt Hon Secretary of State will know what to do and will do it for the benefit of the UK.
😆 😆 😆
Best one liner ever
See what I mean ^^
Expect more stuff like this from swivel-eyed Brexiteers. We have (at least) two years to put up with it.
"They'd be bonkers..."
"They need us more that we need them..."
"The Germans and French are poisoning us with diesel..." (never mind our own government's taxation policy which encouraged diesel usage)
Like that massive bell-end Tim Martin, the likes of jambalaya will blame foreigners for everything.
a global recession casued by Brexit
And this, for posterity, is yet another lie.
Jamba - First, hybrid is yesterday's technology and the emphasis is moving on to full electric (in fact in some quarters hybrid is seen as part of the problem in the same way diesel is because it offers very little advantage over a petrol engine except in places where full EV would be far better - working with OLEV and some manufacturers at the moment).
Second, tariffs being a level playing field one will tend to build the next model of car in a place where tariffs are lower - yes the devaluation of the pound helps thus a little but not if the raw materials and components need to be imported (which to a large extent they do). So jobs in the short to medium term move overseas. In the long term, say 20 years or so, if productivity is high / or wages low in Britain then that might change - but it's a long time off and it won't help semi-skilled to skilled workers (bosses and robots maybe, but not your blue collar worker).
You voted for a nationalist ticket that will scupper the nation if we're not very careful (and possibly even if we are).
As I posted before in that scenario a tariff free trade deal with Japan and a focus on Hybrid technology would be a smart move in my book. German and French manufacturers have lead the way in poisoning us with Diesels anyway.
Oh look Daddy, German hybrids.
[url= http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/electric-vehicles ]VW Hybrids[/url]
[url= http://www.bmw.com/com/en/active_hybrid/overview.html ]BMW Hybrids[/url]
[url= http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/passenger_cars_world/innovation_new/hybrid_technology.html ]Mercedes Hybrids[/url]
Stop speculating.
Thread closed, indefinitely?
We export £15bn worth of cars
and virtually every single one is made by a foreign company.
import £40bn with the EU
and we just put the cost of those cars up by 30%, that is going to hurt.
Erasmus is going to continue for UK Unis .. just wait and see. Just another scaremingering story like WW3 and a global recession casued by Brexit
quite possible, but it will cost money and mean paying money to the EU.
mrmo - bizarrely because components and materials are imported we may have raised the costs of the ones we export too
jambalaya - MemberNorthwind Inappreciate this is what you do for a living but my understanding is
1) Switzerland got kicked out as they refused to pay the membership fee
Unsurprisingly, your "understanding" has no basis in fact. It'd take you entire seconds to gain a basic understanding of this, because it's all completely on record and in the public domain. Instead you'd rather invest more time in contradicting someone you know to be a subject matter expert, with an opposing theory which you made up. Are you even aware you do this?
http://www.euronews.com/2014/02/26/eu-suspends-swiss-erasmus-participation-for-2014
(literally my top 3 google hits- a news story explaining it, the EU explaining it, and a Swiss university explaining it)
2) Canada, Australia etc don't have freedom of movement.
And? You obviously think that's significant but it just shows you don't understand the topic. So I'll give your reassurances all the weight they deserve.
Yes, I have said it but bottom line is that nothing happens yet so what's the worst case scenario? Even if you agree/disagree with me we still have to wait and see, coz the negotiation can swing both ways which is true don't you think so? Therefore, why jump to the conclusion?GrahamS - Member
They'd be totally bonkers not to agree tariff free deal for car manufacturing and import/export.
But chewkw just spent ages explaining that a 10% tariff was peanuts and would have no impact on import/exports.
It is true. 😛igm - Member
The Rt Hon Secretary of State will know what to do and will do it for the benefit of the UK.
Best one liner ever
slowoldman - Member
Oh look Daddy, German hybrids.
VW HybridsBMW Hybrids
Mercedes Hybrids
Oh look Toyota hybrids technology ... 😆
(Think one of them is using Toyota hybrids technology can't remember which one now ...)