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UKIP can become UK SNP to a certain extent
Why not just call themselves the British National Party and be done with it??
Yeah, the snp should see if the name is available. No shortage of pro Scottish independence votes south of the border.
Unless drifting to the right is a sign of ageing, along with elastic waisted beige pants (urine smell optional) , deafness, a belief that things were better when we where young and parking badly.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/hesiod/works.htm
Written around 700BC
to some up life was good and its gone to s***.
There is something about the human condition that sees the the world falling apart and getting worse.
So to answer your point, todays youths will grow up and regard the world as crap and better back in the day. Which is why statistics matter, experience is simply false memories.
Thinking about forming the NNP the Northumbria National Party (Tweed to Humber Inclusive) not sure yhe Yorkshire separatists or the Cumbria popular front will buy into the idea...
Emily Thornbury on Andrew Marr re: Freedom of Movement (my recollection of what she said, it's on iPlayer)
"Do we have a problem with unscrupulous bosses using access to an unlimited workforce to reduce wages? Yes we do have a problem"
In a bizare twist of brexishambles a bunch of tory MPs wrote a letter to the EC complaining about them not starting negoriations soon enough
Not true at all. The UK said all existing EU citizens would be allowed to stay if the EU agreed also. That's not a negotiation it's a simple clear statement of intent to reassure 3m people in the UK. The fact the EU won't do the same shows what petty small minded people there are. There could not be a clearer sign that we should get out of the EU as soon as possible.
"Do we have a problem with unscrupulous bosses using access to an unlimited workforce to reduce wages? Yes we do have a problem"
You mean companies like Capita using the existing Visa laws to import cheap IT staff from the india????
Not really, it is more of an observation of their proposed policies.
The Chinese, Vietnamese and the Russians don't have freedom of movement. Even the North Koreans don't have freedom of movement and you couldn't get further left than them. No one has freedom of movement apart from the EU. It's the odd one out.
Isn't that the point of freedom of movement?
Not really, it is more of an observation of their proposed policies.
The Chinese, Vietnamese and the Russians don't have freedom of movement. Even the North Koreans don't have freedom of movement and you couldn't get further left than them. No one has freedom of movement apart from the EU. It's the odd one out.
Not wanting free movement is one thing, demonizing other nationalities is quite another.
And I wouldn't put Russia, China, Vietnam of South Korea in my list of countries to aspire to either!
The Chinese, Vietnamese and the Russians don't have freedom of movement. Even the North Koreans don't have freedom of movement and you couldn't get further left than them. No one has freedom of movement apart from the EU. It's the odd one out.
how well is North Korea functioning?
Does Europe have a history of hate, of wars, etc. Go back to why the EU exists, to bring the countries together and prevent more wars. Obviously those on the right have no interest in this and really only want to start another war and with it the business opportunities.
I hope that no brexister is ever in the position of explaining to their grandchildren that they have to die because i didn't want to work for a better future, i thought it best to go back to tribalism and war.
Well, more redundancies here. I expect we're ahead of the curve for this so will be interesting to see what happens on a wider scale next year and whether it's more down to is being heavily reliant on private sector development.
There have been widespread calls for the government to guarantee the status of EU nationals living in the UK, but [b]ministers have said the issue should form part of the Brexit negotiations[/b] and would require reciprocal guarantees over Britons living abroad.
I couldn't help but chuckle as I read that Tusk letter.
Obviously [b]those on the right [/b]have no interest in this and really only want to start another war and with it the business opportunities.I hope that no brexister is ever in the position of explaining to their grandchildren that they have to die because i didn't want to work for a better future, i thought it best to go back to tribalism and war.
How odd then that not only is The EU not a left/right issue (Look at how much time Labour spent wanting us to leave) but the greatest opposition to NATO (an organisation that has actually made a real difference to the peace and security of Europe since WW2) Has been from the Left.
No one has freedom of movement apart from the EU.
You say this as if its a good* thing. 😯
*for everyone else
It's the odd one out.
A truly remarkable and unique achievement that should be cherished and protected not destroyed in the name of isolationism, protectionism and xenophobia
I couldn't help but chuckle as I read that Tusk letter.
lots of fun drafting that!! 😀
"Dear stupid people and authors of pompous letters,
Thank you....."
what single market does not have freedom of movement of people?No one has freedom of movement apart from the EU. It's the odd one out.
Is there another one of them - genuine question btw
Thinking about forming the NNP the Northumbria National Party (Tweed to Humber Inclusive) not sure yhe Yorkshire separatists or the Cumbria popular front will buy into the idea...
Think you'll find the Cumbria Popular Front has been eclipsed by SOD (Son's of Dunmail) now......
Go back to why the EU exists,
Because IIRC Tariffs were ~40pc and Tariff free trade seemed to be preferable to collecting and paying 40pc tariffs.
Now the whole world has largely woken up to the futility of Tariffs we're down to IIRC an average of 2.5pc and the need for trade unions is far, far less when the tax is lost in the noise of Currency fluctuations.
It's just pointless Edukator and very petty. Everyone is well aware that the EU is going to allow all those Brits living and working in Europe to stay. It would be economic carnage for them if they did not. Can you just imagine the negative impact of tourism to Spain, France and Itaiy if they asked Brits to leave ? I guaranty I would do all I could to boycott products and places.
The reason the Polish PM came is the UK is vital for them, 800,000 (officially and imo many more) Poles and living amd working in the UK. The economic benefit to Poland is massive, aside from money sent home including investing in business ventures the Poles are well aware a large portion will return there as wealthy pensioners. The Hungarian Ambassador said the UK is the 5th largest foreign investor in that country.
I couldn't help but chuckle as I read that Tusk letter.
lots of fun drafting that!!
"Dear stupid people and authors of pompous letters,
Thank you....."
It's almost as if the Brexiters are trying to bluff the EU into thinking we are absolutely clueless about the whole thing..
The alternative is almost too scary to consider 😯
800,000 (officially and imo many more) Poles and living amd working in the UK. The economic benefit to Poland is massive
Plus the people remote working on projects for British Companies from Poland. My UK based company has more contractors working for us in Poland than we have contractors working for us in the UK by a factor of two. (We also employ plenty of Indian Contractors working in India which works fine, as well.)
We've done this before.
Lots of countries are made up of individual states, with greater or less autonomy. The EU is just somewhere on a scale that's all.
It's almost as if the Brexiters are trying to bluff the EU into thinking we are absolutely clueless about the whole thing..
Well we are clueless about this aren't we?
What deal we get is dependent on what we negotiate with the EU and the EU aren't going to negotiate until we commit to leaving or perhaps after we've left.
So it's a bit chicken and egg and I'm not sure it could be otherwise.
Given the EU have every reason to refuse to negotiate in the hope the UK bottles out of leaping into the unknown it seems to me if we want to leave the only way is the way David Owen and Nigel Lawson advocate.
Once we're out we can say "We're net winners out of tarrifs, you're net losers. If you like we're prepared to go Tarrif free with the EU." Hard to see why they'd say no once we've left, hard to see why they'd say yes or even discuss it before we commit to leave.
All of which leads me to conclude we aint leaving.
It work's both ways, I have family retired in Spain, and the ex pat community is big, they get on very well with the locals by and large, and whist they use the spanish health system (which they all think very highly of) they are all retired or running small/part time businesses and generally fill their time spending money in the local economy, creating the odd job, and employing Spanish services for property, maintenance, local garages, you name it.
Poles in the UK, by and large do a lot of that too and they are of taxable income earning age...and less likely to use the NHS... think it's pretty short sighted to say poland relies on money from thier ex pats more than we rely on their Labour and subsequent tax they pay on their wages, the food and services they buy, which is taxed, etc.
Hard to see why they'd say no once we've left
The EU has clear founding principles and have clear rules to follow , we have to obey them all or we cannot be in the club.
there is no way they will let a country leave, not contribute, nor harmonise and pick and choose the rules they follow and then keep all trade. it like arguing that the gym will let you still use the equipment once you revoke your membership dont pay the fees wont follow the rules etc
Anyone who thinks we can get this is heavily faith based and ignoring the multiple pronouncements that say the cake and eat it argument is never going to happen. It wont even be seriously discussed.
I rather suspect they will say that is 4% of our trade and 45% of yours you are gambling with.... Lets see who blinks first eh"We're net winners out of tarrifs, you're net losers
The UK said all existing EU citizens would be allowed to stay if the EU agreed also.
When and where did the relevant UK minister or PM say this?
there is no way they will let a country leave, not contribute, nor harmonise and pick and choose the rules they follow and then keep all trade. it like arguing that the gym will let you still use the equipment once you revoke your membership dont pay the fees wont follow the rules etc
But if you look like Ronaldo they are going to let you use the gym for free, aren't they?
Don't forget England thinks it's special, of course the EU wants it in its club.
Reminds me of a friend I once had, let's call him Nigel.
A group of friends had organised a night out, and the mini bus fee worked out at £5 each when split. We invited Nigel too, and told him with an extra person, all the fairs would be a bit lower with his contribution, at £4 each.
Nigel was not happy about this, he argued that we were going there anyway so he didn't need to pay, and his presence wouldn't cost us more than our previously agreed £5 each. He wouldn't budge and neither would we.
Nigel threw a tantrum and missed a really good night out. We don't really speak to him any more because we all think he's a bit of a knob.
The EU has clear founding principles and have clear rules to follow , we have to obey them all or we cannot be in the club.
Romania, Liechtenstein and at least one country (IIRC) other have had EAA membership without free movement IIRC. (I'm not saying it's desirable to the UK or to the EU to give up the benefits of free movement, I'm merely saying this founding principle has been waived multiple times.)
there is no way they will let a country leave, not contribute, nor harmonise and pick and choose the rules they follow and then keep all trade.
Wrong. Every nation in the world can trade with EU nations. They can't even legally impose penal tariffs on on, just the same the rest of the world pay.
"We're net winners out of tarrifs, you're net losers
I rather suspect they will say that is 4% of our trade and 45% of yours you are gambling with.... Lets see who blinks first eh
Fine we'll just collect the tariffs, what't the problem with that? We'll be better off on average, and can even tweak tariffs to our own advantage if we so wish (or not if we don't).
If I were you I'd be far, far more worried about the Financial services industry than trade in goods.
But if you look like Ronaldo they are going to let you use the gym for free, aren't they?
I'm not sure the gym analogy works at all.
If the EU decide they want to (net) pay us tariffs they're punishing us by giving us wads of cash. That's the kind of punishment most people would be happy with.
I'd have thought (if we leave) our punishment beating will be dished out in other ways, not through goods tariffs.
we want free trade, which was what you mentioned and what i replied toEvery nation in the world can trade with EU nations.
THey wont accept thatIf you like we're prepared to go Tarrif free with the EU."
then why would we offer free trade?We'll be better off on average
Furthermore as we all know everyone is negatively affected by Brexit the best we can ever be is less negatively affected than they are and we wont even achieve that.
Given we are gambling with 45% of our trade and 4%pf theirs, its pretty easy, delusion and wishful thinking aside ,to anyone who can count, who bears the greatest burden.
800,000 (officially and imo many more) Poles and living amd working in the UK.
No seeing as everyone who enters and leaves the UK has their passport checked, everyone working should have a ni number and be recorded why do [b]you[/b] think the figures are wrong? Why would Polish people sneak into a country that they have free access too?
IMO you are once again trying to make false claims to try and keep immigration high on the agenda when in reality it's not as much of a real issue as it is perceived.
it doesI'm not sure the gym analogy works at all.
this is economically illiterate and daft.If the EU decide they want to (net) pay us tariffs they're punishing us by giving us wads of cash. That's the kind of punishment most people would be happy with.
1. Tariffs will impact on trade and make it more expensive. They will be able to look at 27 other countries for tariff free goods/services and we will be able to turn to no one. Our financial centre cannot be used for EU operations and it will leave as one example.
2. Were this to be true then we should just do this as they cannot stop us and we will be massive winners. Its so post truth even leave did not argue for it.
We are not the winners in a trade war and to simply focus on the deficit, as if this somehow makes it all a win for us, is just wrong and highlights only your lack of grasp of the subject matter.
then why would we offer free trade?
Beats me. You said the EU won't accept it. I assumed that meant you think we should offer it.
If you're asking me to guess why I think we might end up offering Tariff free goods trade I'd assume it would be in exchange for something we need. (Maybe something Financial Services related???).
Tariffs will impact on trade and make it more expensive.
Yes, it makes EU *exports* more expensive which is good for UK manufacturing.
Were this to be true then we should just do this as they cannot stop us and we will be massive winners.
*If* goods trade was the only trade we were involved in then yes, that's true, we'd be massive winners in all kinds of ways.
I find it slightly worrying that you've only started to think about this months after the vote.
No seeing as everyone who enters and leaves the UK has their passport checked, everyone working should have a ni number and be recorded why do you think the figures are wrong?
"More or Less" on R4 covered this. The numbers *are* wrong - they're based on surveys on the Ferries! No idea if they're too high or too low, but they're poor estimates.
Why they can't use more accurate measures I'm not sure, as you say it wouldn't be rocket science.
Yes, it makes EU *exports* more expensive which is good for UK manufacturing
Actually any exports from places the eu already has a deal with. The UK doesn't make much olive oil or wine, plenty of other things. It also makes UK exports more expensive and less competitive
I'm not sure the gym analogy works at all.
I think it works quite well, the problem is that the simplification makes the having cake and eating it argunment a little more difficult to support.
It also makes UK exports more expensive and less competitive
As net beneficiaries we could offset that with subsidies if we wished.
I don't see goods trade as the problem here. It only gets so much media/political attention is because it's superficially easy to understand.
The UK doesn't make much olive oil or wine, plenty of other things
Best not to shout too loud about that - having a ~12pc duty on wine imports to protect the wine industry when we don't have a wine industry looks a bit silly.
The reason the Polish PM came is the UK is vital for them, 800,000 Poles and living amd working in the UK. The economic benefit to Poland is massive
Polish PM is looking out for the rights of her citizens, as is her remit,
Economic benefit to the UK is bigger, which is why May was so keen to meet.
We get hundreds of thousands of well educated and motivated workers, without paying the cost to raise or educate them. Which would be more than £100Bn according to figures taken from the Telegraph.
Polish PM is looking out for the rights of her citizens, as is her remit,
Economic benefit to the UK is bigger, which is why May was so keen to meet.We get hundreds of thousands of well educated and motivated workers, without paying the cost to raise or educate them. Which would be more than £100Bn according to figures taken from the Telegraph.
That's my take on it. Win-Win. Hard to see why Poland would want to rock that boat.
Hard to see why Poland would want to rock that boat.
It's even harder to see why the UK would, evidenced by the fact this thread on a bike forum is about to hit 500 pages long.
and again you brought this upI assumed that meant you think we should offer it.
I have quoted it three times to you now
I commented on what you said Why do you keep saying I brought it up?If you like we're prepared to go Tarrif free with the EU."
You are not the sharpest I am out
mikewsmith - MemberWhy would Polish people sneak into a country that they have free access too?
Because it is in their sneaky polish nature I assume.
(maybe I shouldn't be sarcastic, I'm darkly fascinated to find out what the actual answer will be, if by some miracle he does answer. After all, it's not just a few, it's [i]many millions[/i] he'll be trying to find.)
the PM and her Ministers have NOT said that eu citizens would be allowed to stay after Brexit .
Fox said we , EU citizens , were just a bargaining chip in the negociations .
Jambalaya and Ninfan , you both fits really well in the leave campaign . Head in the sand and full of lies .
@cchris see what May said, she was very clear. All EU citizens can stay if EU agrees the same. EU could have easily said the same or even something like "barring unforseen circunstances we expect all UK citizens in Europe currently will have their rights protected"
@mike (and Northwind) the Polish Ambassador said there where 5,000 Brits registered in Poland but the real figure was probably 20,000. So if your logic where true the Poles could just confirm all 20,000 right ? Ditto French in UK, there are many more than are registered. There is a quite a lot of "smoke and mirrors" in the UK stats (remember ONS intervention ?) and how they count people, ie something like have they been here 12 months if not we won't count them. People that come and work for 3 or 6 months don't get counted (they are not in the 800,000). Then add on all the cash in hand casual workers.
@cchris see what May said, she was very clear. All EU citizens can stay if EU agrees the same. EU could have easily said the same or even something like "barring unforseen circunstances we expect all UK citizens in Europe currently will have their rights protected"
May calling the shots fills me with confidence.
@mike (and Northwind) the Polish Ambassador said there where 5,000 Brits registered in Poland but the real figure was probably 20,000. So if your logic where true the Poles could just confirm all 20,000 right ? Ditto French in UK, there are many more than are registered. There is a quite a lot of "smoke and mirrors" in the UK stats (remember ONS intervention ?) and how they count people, ie something like have they been here 12 months if not we won't count them. People that come and work for 3 or 6 months don't get counted (they are not in the 800,000). Then add on all the cash in hand casual workers.
Are you really trying to argue with the world famous Jambafacts?
Nasty European Right Wingers ? The Center / Left Government of Holland has just followed through on their 2012 commitment to introduce a burka ban (in public places the 2012 commitment was further ranging but was turned down by the courts). They join France, Belgium and Switzerland in such a ban.
Nasty European Right Wingers ? The Center / Left Government of Holland has just followed through on their 2012 commitment to introduce a burka ban (in public places the 2012 commitment was further ranging but was turned down by the courts). They join France, Belgium and Switzerland in such a ban.
Much more of this & you'll be clamouring to bin A50 & sign up to this "EU"!
😆
I can imagine the day when the guardian going into a total melt down when EU is being dissolved or in the process of being dissolved. 😆
The science drain appears to have started.
UK nuclear fusion lab faces uncertain future - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37777729
I've no issue with a burka ban.
Eu countries want the UK to trigger Article 50 to stop uncertainty. But UK courts have decided to delay the process, not the EU.
Jamba the lower house has passed the Burka idea, it is not a law yet it has to go to the Senate where it may not get through once again you are playing fast and loose with the facts, not your usual out right lie but not fact at all.
[i]@cchris see what May said, she was very clear. All EU citizens can stay if EU agrees the same. EU could have easily said the same or even something like "barring unforseen circunstances we expect all UK citizens in Europe currently will have their rights protected"[/I]
If I was on the EU Team the last thing I'd be doing is agreeing to something outside of the actual negotiation. And the PM can chat to all the leaders she likes, but they've all to agree (between themselves) before anything can be agreed.
UK courts have decided to delay the process, not the EU.
The UK court case is a *little* more far reaching then just article 50, the HUGE point a lot of brexiters are simply ignoring is that it will set a precident that a government can remove the rights of it's citizens at a whim, essentially if the government win the case, it will legitimise dictatorship in the UK. it's probably het most significant court case we ill see in our lifetimes... not a big deal at all.
that a government can remove the rights of it's citizens at a whim
Even if they ask them to do it 😆
But UK courts have decided to delay the process, not the EU
Wot?
UK courts are delaying nothing and there is no sign that the original government timetable cannot be met regardless of the court decision.
All the courts are doing is clarifying the limits of prerogative powers. Nothing about delaying Article 50 or not doing Brexit.
What @grumpy and @5th say, it's about process and implementing democracy. In hindsight May should have perhaps just passed a simple A50 bill in September as soon as Parliament returned. As it is any bill if required will be January's business.
In France it's not a burka ban, it's a face covering in public ban whether you use a scarf and hoodie, clown mask or fail to take off your full face visor down motorcycle helmet when you get off you bike. I'm in favour.
I was against the Burkini ban because I have no problem with fully clothed people on the beach and the burkini does not cover the face.
Are you really trying to argue with the world famous Jambafacts?
@captain - the numbers are a direct quote from the Polish Ambassador (tv interview). My point is the official statistics are meaningless and a massive understatement
@mrleb 🙂
@Pigface the Burkha ban was a 2012 manifesto commitment, the original ban was overturned by the courts as too far reaching. It will be passed imo as with the Freedom Party are ahead in the polls the center/left have to respond.
@cchris we had a thread on a Burkha ban, I have mixed feelings but would vote against one in any Referendum (I think full access to messaging technology etc is much more useful in combatting extremism for example). If it really is a woman's choice tomwear a Burkha for religious reasons she sould be permitted to do so. The "if" is the tricky part
It will be passed
But hasn't been passed yet
In hindsight May should have perhaps just passed a simple A50 bill in September as soon as Parliament returned.
Indeed. and she stop phaffing around now with any idea of appeals etc.
Present the Act, get it passed, trigger A50 and get on with it
but we still want to be bound by one european court...
I imagine that patents arent nearly exciting enough for the tabloids to get all incitey about
Of course, as some have suggested, Brexit planning behind the scenes could well be a shambles. But if, as the government insists it isn’t, then ratification makes no sense if the goal is a hard Brexit: while it will still be possible for the UK to break away from the UPC in a number of years’ time, post-Brexit, the UK would have to do so by abandoning a fully functioning court system, featuring its own judges, that may have already become popular with UK businesses and inventors. By contrast, a decision not to ratify the UPC would – at this point – have signalled that the UK was serious about the hard Brexit strategy.The ratification only makes sense if the government intends to remain a member of the UPC for the foreseeable future, which means that it intends to accept the jurisdiction of the CJEU in EU-related patent matters post-Brexit. This could be good news for British inventors and businesses, especially for the UK’s burgeoning life sciences industry, as the London UPC division will have a specialist focus in this area.
Even if they ask them to do it
Yes.
If there were a referendum to stop gay people going into straight pubs, and it was won by 51/49, should the government do it?
My point with the court case was that it is the UK dragging it's feet not the EU.
The burkini summer saga was just something for people to forget about the new labour laws. If people want to be fully dressed on the beach, fine with me.
Covering your face because religion told to, no.
Present the Act, get it passed, trigger A50 and get on with it
The fact she has gone to appeal on the matter suggests she would rather not present the bill to parliament.
The UK court case is a *little* more far reaching then just article 50, the HUGE point a lot of brexiters are simply ignoring is that it will set a precident that a government can remove the rights of it's citizens at a whim, essentially if the government win the case, it will legitimise dictatorship in the UK. it's probably het most significant court case we ill see in our lifetimes... not a big deal at all.
All of which is nonsense and none of which is being discussed in the court case.
The court case is still very significant - but it is about whether prerogative can be used to take actions that will inevitably require primary legislation at a later date. Put rather simply, is activating Article 50 part of the legislative parliamentary process of leaving the UK or is it a separate act.
Sod all to do with removal of rights.
You are suggesting that prerogative can override parliament, which is neither of the two arguments being presented. Nor is it at all legal.
Kimbers makes a good point by the way.
The UK has just (i.e. after the Brexit vote) ratified a "Unitary Patent" agreement. There is no point in the UK doing this unless it is planning to be bound by an EU court.
Most people in the industry were not expecting this to happen after the vote for Brexit. Many Patent Attorneys websites still haven't been updated. e.g.
"Indeed there is also suggestion that the UP and UPC will simply not progress further due to the importance of the UK as a patenting and litigation territory."
http://www.eip.com/uk/brexit/patents-upc/
Or it could be a precursor to selling off the IPO which is an idea that has been floating around for ages.
good link horatio
I think this is very important
In addition, a particular focus of the European Commission has been in reforming copyright law to make it fit for purpose in the modern age, in particular to better enable e-commerce across the EU. This is an ongoing objective. The nature of the proposed reforms are controversial (seeking to breakdown the traditional territory by territory licensing approach currently associated with copyright). Outside of the EU, UK businesses trading with the EU will still be affected by developments in EU copyright legislation, but they will have no obvious voice to help shape it to their benefit.
Having just read the letter sent to Tusk, it's laughable...
Offers no understanding of how the EU actually works by asking that the UK should be allowed to negotiate with each EU state independently.
And (England) expects, seriously?
the full list of signees is a great indicator that those MPs in particular really are as stupid as we all thought
the full list of signees is a great indicator that those MPs in particular really are as stupid as we all thought
Maybe they are really clever. It's a double bluff. They knew Tusk would shoot them down, so they can legitimately use EU citizens here and UK citizens abroad as a negotiating tool and blame it on the EU, knowing the Daily Mail et al will never report the detail of Tusks letter.
...or they are just incompetent.
Maybe they are really clever....or they are just incompetent.
at this stage I have no idea which, part of me thinks they cant be that stupid, or maybe they assume the crowd they are cynically pandering to are the stupid ones...?
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All of which is nonsense and none of which is being discussed in the court case..... ...Sod all to do with removal of rights.
Urrm I think you need to read the case details, it explicitly talks about the removal of rights...it's one of the main arguments 🙄
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The Tusk letter make's the EU look like d.cks which I suspect was the objective of the backbenchers. It's not in the governments interests to do that so once again the PM stuck to the her line at PMQs re EU citizens here.
Airbus are making 1,100 people redundant 59 in the UK with the bulk (90%-ish) in France (~500) and Germany (~500). If there had been 500+ redundancies in the UK we'd have Brexit hysteria headlines all over the place.
By the way the CEO of Ford Europe suggested that Nissan had NOT been offered any firm deal, just "assurances" which any business person will know are worth sweet FA.
The UK has just (i.e. after the Brexit vote) ratified a "Unitary Patent" agreement. There is no point in the UK doing this unless it is planning to be bound by an EU court.
We will be bound by the ECJ until Brexit (2019), we are still in the EU up until then. As for patents we can choose which court will be the binding authority on a deal by deal / issue by issue basis. Any deal I do is typically bound by either UK (so currently ultimately ECJ) or US courts, we choose on a deal by deal basis.
@matty isn't the answer to that that all existing EU legislation is being copied into UK law via the Repeal Act ?
@kimbers you can keep calling UKIP stupid but they fought for and then won a Referendum. Quite an incredible achievement really.
@matty isn't the answer to that that all existing EU legislation is being copied into UK law via the Repeal Act ?
Legislation, yes, but my [u]right[/u] to freedom of movement for example? that stands to potentialy be removed against my will...
The Tusk letter is hilarious. Make those MP look like complete morons . They can keep shouting to the EU as much as they want, it won't change the fact that only the UK can trigger article 50.
Loss of Airbus jobs is doing headlines in France, what is your point?
Of course the head of Ford is being nice, he wants the same deal.
ref Qs a page back about where or when May or any other minister mentioned EU citizens being allowed to remain
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38129171
On the crucial issue of residency and employment rights, Ms Szydlo said Polish citizens in the UK needed certainty about their future after Brexit, telling reporters she hoped negotiations would yield "the right balance" for both the UK and the EU."From the point of view of Poland, let me reiterate that the most important thing (after Brexit) is the guarantees for the Polish citizens who are living and working in the United Kingdom," she said. "Of course, these guarantees would need to be reciprocal."
[b]Mrs May said she wanted to give Poles and other EU citizens living in the UK certainty but she said any agreement depended on Britons living elsewhere in Europe having equivalent assurances over their rights.[/b]