I guess we could hope that other countries now vote to leave the EU.
Yes. Only hope the whole thing collapses to be replaced by something we can then join.
Would cause an even bigger recession though.
Did you really think the majority of people in UK are happy with the current status of our society and political leadership?
Our political class lacks vision and integrity as well as any real leadership qualities. Big business and the banks proved their self-serving greed in the last financial downturn. Add to that a real sense of North/South divide in some areas - Something had to change.
Perhaps this referendum wasn't the right way of indicating and driving that change, but it appears now that is what it has become.
Our challenge now is to pull together, unite, get some fresh real leadership in this country and make some real positive changes. The short term will be a rocky ride, but I'm optimistic we will get there.
Rather than bitching about what's happened, perhaps it'd be better to look for the win out of this?
Idealistic nonsense
Where are these magical politicians that aren't swayed by big business. How does not being in the EU help this?
The real leadership we now face is BoJo and Farage.
Well done.
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This is a proper balls-up. Driven by simplistic motives, lack of deep analysis, poor decision-making, biased press and xenophobia. This we have learned.
I'm still struggling with the breathtaking incompetence and arrogance of even calling a referendum in the first place. A cynical power ploy by Call-Me-Dave to appeal to the right wing Tory camp ends up backfiring catastrophically with irreversible consequences to the UK and Europe.
It's showcased far and away the worst aspects of British society, the whole thing has been run on a simplistic appeal to fears and prejudice based on a catalogue of lies, deception and spin.
Even Boris has now urged the PM not to rush into invoking Article 50 but rather to negotiate a revised set of terms which sort of implies to me that he didn't ever want to actually leave, he wanted to become PM and this was simply his way of forcing Cameron to resign.
Playing short term politics with 40 years of history.
The Electorate has spoken or the Illiterate have grunted according to many on here.
The whole country needs to start the process of negotiation and move forward. The process will take years to conclude and don't be surprised if we end up with another vote in a few years time as the the terms of membership have changed markedly due to several other EU big hitters voting out.
What upsets me more than anything is that almost everyone who knows anything about economics said we need to stay for the sake of our economy; and yet we got voted out by people who know crap all about economics.How can that be the right way round?
Democracy in action 🙂
Congratulations everyone - we've just become the worlds 6th largest ecomony! (We were 5th yesterday),
I'm ****ing glad it's all just fear mongering doom and gloom because otherwise we'd be just ****ed.
At least our Northern friends will have to stop London-bashing for a while 😉
skydragon - Member
Big business and the banks proved their self-serving greed in the last financial downturn. Add to that a real sense of North/South divide in some areas - Something had to change.
Two [b]small[/b] issues with that^
1) Big banks and industry can afford to just pull out of the UK, and move its business elsewhere. This is because for a large multinational, the cost of moving its operations is small compared to the savings. For small business that is not the case. RESULT: Rich get richer, Poor get Poorer
2) The North South divide is broadly an economic divide, with the rich south and poor north. Companies like Nissan (for example) were HELPING to reduce that divide by pumping money into the northern economy. And again, the rich are rich, they own there own house, and probably have millions stuffed away safely in an nice fat off shore account, the poor don't. RESULT: The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.
There is no situation i can see where the poor are "better off" due to leaving the EU?
The problem with British 'Democracy' is that it can be bought and sold by our far from benevolent media oligarch.
I guess we could hope that other countries now vote to leave the EU.
Again. Spoken or unspoken, the main driver of the EU project was to prevent (western) European "superpower" wars. Specifically binding France and Germany.
Today is not tomorrow. Have a look how the borders of the western EU countries have been (arbitrarily) changed, post conflict. This is a tinderbox, albeit, at the moment, a small one but following last nights debacle, one which has got a lot bigger.
bol - MemberWe will now deserve what we get. Just the excuse I need to move to Scotland while they'll still let me in.
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Because we are less screwed?
Looking for positives? Doesnt Dimbleby do a good job for a man of his age. He must be knackered. Bravo David (no not that one!)
A friend who was a young producer at the BBC had a dinner meeting with him at a big meeja conference, (this was 15 years ago) dimbles ordered copious amounts if the finest wines and drank my mate into oblivion, he got a mention in the guardian as he was locked out his room naked, Dimbleby was apparently fresh as a daisy the next day
Because we are less screwed?
No. But if brains were dynamite, you lot would have more than enough to blow your hat off, which, clearly, "us lot" haven't.
Should have bought my euros yesterday. What a fu&£er...
I think it would have been helpful to have had a qualifier before you could vote, bit like having to be the winning team on countdown before you can play the conundrum. We should have had to spell "European Union referendum"
and your vote only counted if spelled correctly.....
We are reminded yet again calling people with grievances - bigots, xenophobes and racists - does nothing to persuade them of your case. We are reminded yet again that just because experts say its right, if you have been left behind before, that isn't a persuasive case. We are reminded yet again that in a democracy, the ultimate power always lies with the people.
Bosh - Mark Carney on the ball today, came out fighting with a £250bn bail out for the banks, I'm sure our EU payments will make a dent in that or not a ****ing mark of it because you can't bank lies.
The Electorate has spoken or the Illiterate have grunted according to many on here.
I know many intelligent people who voted out. It goes to show how out of touch some people are with people who had enough. Just because we were leading a good life does not mean others are too. Some really struggled and then blamed immigration. Some were just fed up with the amount of change in such a short time.
This was an immigration vote, not a sensible economical vote.
We are reminded yet again calling people with grievances - bigots, xenophobes and racists - does nothing to persuade them of your case.
When their grievance is "we don't like them foreigners around here" then it's entirely justified.
The leave campaign deliberately whipped up xenophobic sentiment to further their political aims. So why did this work? It chimed with so many leavers because they seem to be fundamentally xenophobic. It's a difficult conclusion to avoid when all you hear is waffle about 'taking control' and 'sovereignty'.
Money is sovereign, has been all along - that's not going to change. But now we will have less.
]. We are reminded yet again that just because experts say its right, if you have been left behind before, that isn't a persuasive case. We are reminded yet again that in a democracy, the ultimate power always lies with the people and yet again we are reminded how the right wing and their media friends can persuade them to vote for self harm 😉
There is truth in both our views
Nothing that will happen now will help the poor and the needy in our society get a better deal Nothing, it never was going to and it was never about them, they bought some snake oil from the slipperiest of salespeople who are the very establishment they just voted against.
We are reminded yet again that in a democracy, the ultimate power always lies with the people.
Maybe, possibly, probably but it also reminds us successful organisations and groups delegate decision making.
I.e there isn't a long list of sporting clubs, businesses, military successes where every daft f__ker got to have an explicit say on every option, particularly if the common bleat is "i don't know enough"...
I like democracy - voting for the winner or looser. I expect the winner to be a better decision maker than me, despite what the army of sole trader/one man banders think (why is it you're a s__t painter & decorator but such a brilliance on global politics, eh?)
I know many intelligent people who voted out
Obviously true However there was a clear skewing where by the lower your qualification the ore likely you were to vote leave and the better educated you were the more likely you were to vote remain
Name calling here wont help but neither will denying the facts
Its in pictures so the stupid can tell 😉
OK i am not helping here so please dont take the piss take the wrong way
The Tories whipped up xenophobic feelings in the last G.E it has bitten Cameron on the bum.
*smashes glass*
Bosh - Mark Carney on the ball today, came out fighting with a £250bn bail out for the banks, I'm sure our EU payments will make a dent in that or not a **** mark of it because you can't bank lies.
Isn't that just a red rag to the bulls (or is bears I can never remember) 😉
Bloke on bbc 1 interviewed - "you voted to leave, what are you thinking now?"
" I'm a bit shocked actually, I didn't think it would happen, I don't really know what to say. I'm shocked that David Cameron has resigned, I think we needed him to keep things stable if we left..."
What the fu£k do people have in their heads instead of brains? I seriously don't think most people really thought this through...
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I seriously don't think most people really thought this through...
I think that is becoming more obvious by the minute unfortunately 🙄
Looks like Boris is going to get a warm reception outside his house.
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This isn't scaremongering. This is happening right now.
Any Leave voters care to hit me up with some positives?
The NHS has just been saved 😉
Any Leave voters care to hit me up with some positives?
Not a leave voter, but there is no reason to panic - markets have real uncertainty now - we are still in the very earliest stages of coming to terms with a surprising decision. No significant response from Europe yet and that will be incredibly important.
Junkyard - lazarusThe NHS has just been saved
Great news! It'll be in great shape to welcome the millions of sclerotic retirees heading home from countries with which no longer have ereciprocal healthcare arrangements.
Property prices in Scotland set to go through the roof?
maxtorque - MemberThere is no situation i can see where the poor are "better off" due to leaving the EU?
you're right of course.
but a vote for remain was a vote for the status quo, and the status quo doesn't work for lots of people.
i'm trying to convince myself that many people who voted 'leave' did so in a vain attempt to re-shuffle the deck, so to speak.
Have we blamed Thatcher yet ??
for as much as I disliked MrsT she'd never had been stupid enough to call a referendum.
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Got up and did a Basil Faulty.
"I don't know. Perhaps it's just a bad dream. Hang on, I'll check."
(Bangs head vicioudly on desktop)
"Nope. Looks like we're stuck with it."
Don't know if this has been picked up yet, but...
Had the world's 5th biggest economy ...
The UK is no longer the world's 5th largest economy. The £ has fallen so far that France has overtaken us. #EUref
Edit: sorry I see we have - and it'll probably change two or three times during the day
Why is it stupid to call a referendum? We live in a democracy. If anything we should have more of them. Just because you don't like the result doesn't mean it is a bad idea. Not calling one is undemocratic.
mefty +1
I didn't vote out but this doesn't have to be the doom situation some are predicting. Lets see how Europe react but I do think there are possibly opportunities outside of the EU for instance greater flexibility to trade with other countries.
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Any Leave voters care to hit me up with some positives?
Never mind all the recession nonsense, there will be no more brown people!
. If anything we should have more of them. Just because you don't like the result doesn't mean it is a bad idea
Tell us again in 5 years
Why is it stupid to call a referendum? We live in a democracy. If anything we should have more of them. Just because you don't like the result doesn't mean it is a bad idea. Not calling one is undemocratic.
Good plan. We'll start off with one on capital punishment. Then another on nucleaar power. And why not let the public decide on the BoE interest rate? I mean - it's democracy, maaaaan !!
