Looks like its right what they were saying that Macron will scupper an extension to Article 50. Anyone still believe it'll be anything other than a No Deal crash out next Friday?
https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1108727120681975808
I'll be amazed at any other outcome.
Life is about to get about 10 or 15% more expensive for those of us lucky enough to still be employed after this tragedy, and a whole lot less good for those on the arse end of the job losses.
Remember how, early on in this thread, we kept asking about Ireland… only for the issue to be dismissed as having some kind of simple fix (that no one could quite articulate yet) …?
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-brexiteers-forgot-about-the-border-1.3831635
Anyone still believe it’ll be anything other than a No Deal crash out next Friday?
After May's deranged outburst I think it's more likely that she'll be dumped in a vote of no confidence and an emergency extension granted whilst a new govt is elected. The tory remainers have not yet responded to the brexiteer cabinet mutiny so think they could be holding this up their sleeve. The likes of Grieve etc will vote against May in a confidence motion before they'll accept no deal. Next week is going to be mental.
there are IMO 4 things that could happen now:
1) - crash out with no deal
2) accept the WA and have the two year transition ( which needs the short extension)
3) revoke a 50
4) something material changes ie second ref, GE, May steps down - then its a 2 year delay
Very hard to see which way it will go. Commons has voted down the idea of no deal and I am fairly sure the government would fall if it tried to push no deal thru.
I think in order of likelihood its options 2, 4, 3, 1
Well who'd have thunk it? Looks like the EU 27 are all singing from the same hymn sheet. They're as organised as May is chaotic.
From the Guardian site just now
UK will have to revoke article 50 or face no-deal Brexit if MPs vote down deal next week, Latvian PM says
The Latvian prime minister, Krisjanis Karins, said Britain would have to leave without a deal or revoke Article 50 if Mrs May’s deal is rejected again next week. Speaking as he arrived at the summit, he said:
If the UK is leaving we would want that to be an orderly process so there has been a withdrawal agreement agreed over a two-year period - I don’t see any chance of changing that.
So the question is will the UK accept this agreement and then it will be an orderly withdrawal? No-one wants a chaotic withdrawal.
Asked what would happen if the deal were rejected, Karins replied:
There are then two alternatives: either Great Britain withdraws article 50 and stays in the European Union or there is a disorderly withdrawal.
Anyone else enjoying the irony of 'Taking Back Control' now meaning being told how its going to be by the Latvian PM
If that doesn't sum up this 'Global Britain' insanity perfectly, I don't know what does
After reading about the petition I was all set to sign it, but seeing how fast it's being signed I thought I'd wait and see if i could get the ONE MEEELLLEEEION.
If I'm going to get anything from Brexit, this might just be it.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584 coming up to 960,000 signatures!
…real time comparison of the revoke A50 vs leave with no deal petitions. Just a bit of fun:
Keep in mind that the youth tend to hang out on the internet, and sign petitions and make a noise. Gammons stay quiet and shaft you silently and anonymously in the polling booth.
I think the message from the EU is clear - remain and contribute positively or **** off. Negotiations, real negotiations can then start with a clean sheet off paper. You want something? Well in that case you're gonna have to give something in return. Enough grab, grab, grab, you can have as much cake as you want but at a fair price.
Its a lot more than that. I've been waiting for my confirmation e-mail for hours. until I click the link it won't count. I imagine many others are in the same boat.
No more Tories, not more Labour - they've both been shown to be useless in governing the country and in shepherding us to an orderly conclusion to Brexit, which they both claim to honour.
We need a People's Revolt, not a People's Vote.
Its a lot more than that. I’ve been waiting for my confirmation e-mail for hours. until I click the link it won’t count. I imagine many others are in the same boat.
Check your spam folder
Gammons stay quiet and shaft you silently and anonymously in the polling booth
So that’s why they have those screens
The won't want to revoke Article 50 as a temporary measure as that will incur a long delay to leaving which they're all apparently against.
they’ve both been shown to be useless in governing the country and in shepherding us to an orderly conclusion to Brexit, which they both claim to honour.
Why do you hold labour responsible when they are not in government? This is the tories mess and no one else's. Labour have done everything that could be expected of them. I'm really confused as to why people keep repeating this nonsense. Labour are not in power, they didn't instigate this process, and they have no ability to stop it unless they can win support from tory remainers.
If you want to point the finger at those who have allowed this mess to unfold, you should be looking in the direction of the likes of Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve, Ken Clarke and the rest of the tory remainers who have propped May up whilst proclaiming opposition to her deal and those in the ERG.
I think in order of likelihood its options 2, 4, 3, 1
Agreed, I might argue 4,2,3,1 but that might just be wishful thinking.
I really wouldn't be surprised if the UK ends up revoking A50, Westminster may well descend into more in-fight and blame sharing, but **** it.
I'm pretty sure that Parliament can only pass a binding motion if the Government provides the opportunity. MV3 might be that opportunity, but I think it is less likely than 2nd ref of May's WA or remain.
I guess next week is when MPs have to make a call for something
My confirmation email took about an hour to come through. Over 985k now.
Petition is running at an average of 1,000+ signatures per minute
Just clocked 990,000
EDIT: over the million now
Labour have done everything that could be expected of them.
Thank you, that's the first thing on this forum today to make me laugh. I must admit that I didn't expect better so you are absolutely right.
What's the point of the extension proposed by the EU? Its conditional on the WA getting voted through next week, which if it does then why do we need an extension?
For those getting excited about the petition, at what point do you think it becomes significant? Less than about 18 000 000 signatures from people entitled to vote and it proves nothing to me.
I must admit that I didn’t expect better so you are absolutely right.
Care to illuminate us on how labour could have stopped brexit then? I've yet to hear an answer beyond the meaningless 'show some opposition'. I'm all ears...
Where are people thinking of joining the People's Vote March on Saturday?
Looks like the EU have had enough of the petulant child. It’s Mays Deal, No Deal or revoke article 50
Looks like No Deal then
Care to illuminate us on how labour could have stopped brexit then? I’ve yet to hear an answer beyond the meaningless ‘show some opposition’. I’m all ears…
Could Labour have started with opposing or delaying Art 50? You know, back in March 2017. Instead of Whipping their MPs to vote it through?
1,000,000
Needs more… get on it…
Stop the clock.
Plan the next steps with the UK controlling the process.
gah, beaten to it
What’s the point of the extension proposed by the EU?
Its not proposed by the EU its what they are willing to give the maybot for her short extension. It is pretty meaningless although would allow some of the legislation that is needed to be passed to be done so before brexit happens.
Could Labour have started with opposing or delaying Art 50?
So you expected labour to commit electoral suicide for no end result, given they would have lost the vote even if they had opposed it?
What’s the point of the extension proposed by the EU? Its conditional on the WA getting voted through next week, which if it does then why do we need an extension?
Read the last few pages. The WA needed to be approved by parliament LAST YEAR to have time to ratify and prepare for it to be put in place. May delayed… parliament voted against… clock has been run down… months are needed after (if) parliament does decide to back the WA…
Why do you hold labour responsible when they are not in government? This is the tories mess and no one else’s. Labour have done everything that could be expected of them
Providing meaningful opposition for the last couple of years would be a start...
The fact that Tom Watson and Kier Starmer are at odds with Corbyn over pretty much everything, etc...
"The Tories have more MPs than Labour, what's the point in opposing their Brexit?"
If you are making this point, or something like it, yet again, then you're just wasting space.
The short extension is simply to give May a bit of time to get the rest of the legislation needed into place - and will only be granted if the WA passes this week. Its a courtesy nothing more.
Its clear the EU would grant ( reluctantly) a long extension if there is a major change in circumstances
For those having a go at labour, here's remainer hero Anna Soubry's brexit voting record. She seemed to have something of brain freeze after initially voting to stay in the EU in 2016.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24772/anna_soubry/broxtowe/divisions?policy=6761
Less than about 18 000 000 signatures from people entitled to vote and it proves nothing to me.
No point making any kind of protest then?
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What’s the point of the extension proposed by the EU? Its conditional on the WA getting voted through next week, which if it does then why do we need an extension?
In theory, it's because even if the vote goes through, there's not enough time to actually act on it before the date. In practice, the vote isn't going to pass and I think everyone knows that including May so, who knows
Providing meaningful opposition for the last couple of years would be a start…
Thank you for proving my point. Care to explain what 'meaningful opposition' actually means?
For those getting excited about the petition, at what point do you think it becomes significant?
I think it's already significant. Not directly - I doubt it'll make any difference to anything at all if we're being realistic - but as a symbolic gesture it's huge. It's a bit like going on a protest march.
Care to explain what ‘meaningful opposition’ actually means?
Well, there's three years of ****ing running commentary on that… go back in the thread and read it, instead of trolling.
dazh - you are fighting a loosing battle on this. I have asked the same question many times and got one partial answer from Edukator. None from the rest of the Corbyn haters
with a badly split party and the press all baying for brexit there really has been very little labour can do
100 mps threatened to vote against a second ref for example.
Well who’d have thunk it? Looks like the EU 27 are all singing from the same hymn sheet
Just you wait, the CEO of BMW will be knocking on Merkel's door any minute now, then it'll all fall into place.
