Playing chess is like making love to a beautiful woman…
Oh, stalemate.
Playing chess is like making love to a beautiful woman…
You think you know how to play after watching loads of pawn but when you start playing the game for real you can’t remember any of the moves?
Surely the cliff edge isn’t no deal, it’s revoke article 50.
Once we have failed to honour our treaty commitments, that ensure there is a democratic parliament to oversee decisions made at the EU level, by refusing to hold elections to choose our MEPs… the rulings as regards recinding A50 notification are mute… we're in a new situation… I would strongly suspect a future ruling would say that the EU could reject our attempts to remain, or extract a high cost for it… more leverage lost by the UK gov… a clear option thrown away… (?)
Under the Prime Minister’s plan, if her Brexit deal was passed by the Commons this week, she would seek a short technical extension until the end of June, however if it were rejected, she would seek a longer extension.
The lying reaches new heights. Last week her claim was as above. This week it's only a short delay leading to May's deal, or no deal. Nothing that woman says is worth the paper it's printed on.
Leavers seem to see it as an extortionate amount to pay for nothing in return.
I got my annual tax overview yesterday. The average salary in the UK is £35K. By my calculations, for someone on such a salary their EU contributions is a couple of pence shy of a quid a week.
Where there is harmony May will bring discord.
Where there is truth May may will bring error.
Where there is faith May will bring doubt and where there is hope May will bring despair.
I was counting down the days:
Ten
Nine...
Then I saw this opinion https://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2019/03/19/no-deal-brexit-may-be-unlawful-a-view-from-rose-slowe/?fbclid=IwAR1-Sws4GJsq7QLceIOMelVSh2nignTlffstEBRXF33DcHVrQaCen7YpDek
It looks like Parliament has to actually pass a law to terminate our membership, not just let it lapse on the 29th.
EDIT:
or maybe we cease to be a member (as far as the EU is concerned), but without an Act to terminate we still have all our obligations to the EU and subject to its laws etc.
So does that mean the billionaires funding Brexitmania will be subject to the new EU tax evasion laws on 1st April? 🙂
The very opposite if taking back control.
They (the gov) know this already… hence my question about the politics of asking for a date that makes no practical sense for anyone other than the "keen" members of the cabinet and Conservative party, who want a date because it is unworkable and for no other reason…
Anyway … PMQs is more "nothing has changed" … and openly saying that parliament should have no say and no input … May is an autocrat … she needs removing.
Maybot has had a firmware upgrade but it's still v 1.05a with the looks of PMQs.
Meanwhile, in the Washington Post,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/18/quest-brexit-has-killed-britain
May is an autocrat
Pessimus Prime?
So basically, from what little sense this makes, it looks like we're heading for a hard/no deal brexit, just a bit later than originally thought.
Due to when the EU legislation has to go through, either she gets her deal through parliament by the 12th April or No Deal economic armageddon it is
Meanwhile, in the Washington Post,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/18/quest-brexit-has-killed-britain/blockquote >
Quoted in another WP article: “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”
So basically, from what little sense this makes, it looks like we’re heading for a hard/no deal brexit, just a bit later than originally thought.
I doubt it because there are the numbers to stop it, however now MPs are forced to either back May's deal or come up with another course of action. It forces a resolution to this phase, which is necessary.
May says she won't allow any other "course of action". Discussing anything other than her way is "navel gazing". It's her deal or no deal…
May is politically closer to the hardliners than the moderates
I dunno if anyone was watching newsnight on the day that the IndyGroup formed but they interviewed Anna Soubry and she talked about her conversation with TMay; the gist of their conversation was that she wants hard border controls for people and is not prepared to compromise on this more than anything else, it's her personal red line.
Which explains the way she acted with the vans with the go-home messages and the windrush deportations.
She will crash us out. her options are her deal or we crash out.
however now MPs are forced to either back May’s deal or come up with another course of action. It forces a resolution to this phase, which is necessary
Weren't they told this at the last 2 votes?
If anyone non-ERG has any sense they will table a vote quick to request a longer extension than May 25th
what are the opposition doing.....
The only way we will get another course of action is to get rid of may. She is the roadblock here
I'm not sure that we have covered this, but I feel it is worth sharing...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47634365
Apparently Theresa should have listened to Trump's advice...
Oh great… Radio4… Labour front bencher saying that even May's proposed delay is too long, and "Labour" are against a longer delay, and that "the people" just want it done. Of course, that means neither of their stated (ha ha) aims can be achieved in that time (new deal or public vote on deal).
Surely if any of the other EU members reject the extension request, then its no deal or rescind A50...
May says she won’t allow any other “course of action”.
No she hasn't, she has been quite clear that the house needs to make a decision. Until MPs are willing to give up their preferred option to coalesce around something else, nothing is going to change. There is no majority for any option at present, a cliff edge is needed to force one.
Rumour from Brussels is that they're saying "non" to a June extension. It ether has to be much shorter or much longer.
A delay to the end of the year justified by having another referendum is surely inevitable now? I can't see any other viable outcome (though I've learned not to be surprised by anything any more).
Surely if any of the other EU members reject the extension request, then its no deal or rescind A50…
They could reject extension next week, but say they will allow it IF the Withdrawal Deal is accepted first… with only a few days for parliament to do so (or not).
LBC reporting Macron says non.
Ah, Mefty… "quite clear"…
she has been quite clear that the house needs to make a decision
She means… they need to decide to back the Withdrawal Agreement she has negotiated. Nothing to do with looking at "other options" and coalescing around one.
what are the opposition doing…..
Facilitating Brexit, obvs. Oh... and it was the kebab awards this week
https://twitter.com/chrisphillips76/status/1108334346895802368
Until MPs are willing to give up their preferred option to coalesce around something else
You mean parliament giving up and accepting her view? I don't think UK government is meant to be autocratic is it?
she has been quite clear
😀
You mean parliament giving up and accepting her view? I don’t think UK government is meant to be autocratic is it?
Indeed her bonkers red lines have trapped the nation in a box, she has no credibility left
she had been saying for 2 years we would definitely leave on the 29th last wekk she said we'd definitely have a long delay if people didnt vote for her deal, today shes said its a short delay...
Anyone is allowed to change their mind if the facts change.
That aside, stupidity, ego, and incompetence abounds.
You mean parliament giving up and accepting her view?
No if you look at the votes that have failed (EEA, Mays deal, 2nd referendum etc), it is always because more than 1 group has voted against them. Until one of those groups gives up hope or fractures, no majority will ever be possible for anything, something needs to give.
Anyone is allowed to change their mind if the facts change.
Except the electorate it would seem.
If no-one can agree on what form of brexit we want, three years on and with only a few days left, an obvious solution rather presents itself here...
Until one of those groups gives up hope or fractures, no majority will ever be possible for anything, something needs to give.
Which of those did May not apply a whip for Mefty? What is she hoping will "give", other than opposition to the Withdrawal Agreement she has negotiated? She has made it the only game in town since November.
If no-one can agree on what form of brexit we want, three years on and with only a few days left, an obvious solution rather presents itself here…
Thunderdome?
Anyone is allowed to change their mind if the facts change.
But the language used made this into a humiliation instead of just a natural fact. Instead of 'well we'll do our best but there are a lot of problems to overcome, I'm still planning on leaving in March' it was 'WE WILL LEAVE IN MARCH'. Now she's blaming parliament for not doing what she says. FFS. We could have done this so much better. Instead she's made a highly acrimonious situation far far worse by trying to bully everyone - including us.
only a few days left, an obvious solution rather presents itself here
Go with the one "I" like the sound of?
There is a good cartoon in Private Eye this week with a bloke saying "lets just get on with it, make a compromise, and do what I want"
No if you look at the votes that have failed (EEA, Mays deal, 2nd referendum etc),
When did may put those forward? Attempted ammendments are a messy thing and not the same as votes for them.
If no-one can agree on what form of brexit we want, three years on and with only a few days left, an obvious solution rather presents itself here…
The thing is there is NO compromise that makes any sense. That's always been the case and it was obvious to those willing to think objectively.
No deal makes no sense because of the economic harm.
Soft Brexit makes no sense because you're bound by rules you have no say in.
May's deal is about as good as it's going to get, but it's hated.
What did they think was going to happen?
