Loving the brexiteer comments online regards Honda – ‘nope not us, we didnt do that….. They were gonna leave anyway….. Global decline in car sales…..’ Etc. Etc. Etc
Imagine if it all goes [i]really[/i] wrong.
"The shelves are usually empty in Tesco, you're just trying to make Brexit look bad"
"Insulin? Who needs insulin? We didn't own half the globe by threatening natives with insulin"
"I don't know what you're moaning about, that police station has been on fire for years"
That won't happen (well, not to the degree you have exaggerated for comic effect), but if it did, they would say…
Of course there will be some upheavals or crying fouls etc when there is a major change, who wouldn’t?
It is hard to resist the urge to retweet those when they come back up, along with the word *
Very hard to resist.
https://twitter.com/danieljhannan/status/644428141302255616?s=21
. A massive tarriff on Japanese cars post brexit will teach them a lesson!
No it won’t, the UK will just pay more for cars. Tariffs are a consumer tax.
NB I was joking about the tariff. nose face spite etc
If Remainders only listened to those concern views many years ago, UK would not have been in such a predicament having to exit the EU bureaucratic system.
The EU doesn't have a monopoly on bureaucracy and I doubt there'll be any less after we've left; we're quite good at generating our own.
The EU's bureaucratic system will continue to affect the UK after we've left. We will continue to trade with the EU, so will continue to meet their standards. Unfortunately, the UK was one of the main influencers pushing for those standards to be reasonable.
The EU is a long way from perfect, but it's our nearest neighbour and we're stuck with it, whether we're in or out. Believe or it not, we were one of the big players, and we'll go to zero influence.
Whilst leave have gone to great lengths to effectively discount any bad news regarding Brexit and corporations post hoc, I don't think I can recall what they said WOULD constitute bad news for leave. OK a few car factories and, say 100,000 jobs can be discounted as "trends in motor manufacturing", but what would be a sign to the ERG that we are basically committing economic suicide. Unicorn horn prices tanking? Cake production falling?
Can anyone link to any precient economic information where leave have said "If we see this, then it's not good, but that's a cost we will have to bear" (obviosuly zealots won't say don't do it).
Anyone?
A couple of years ago I posted this:
Edukator
Member
In an if I were a European commissioner what would I do line of thinking:
– aim to put as bigger spanner in the works of the city as possible and aim to take a slice of the money to be made in commodity, currency and equity markets.
– aim to put an equally big spanner in the works on any industry base in the UK directly competing with an industry at home.
– demonstrate clearly to my population that my decision to remain in Europe was the right one.
– encourage my national champion industries to use the low pound to take over manufacturing capacity in the UK to guarantee a place in the market.
– levy customs taxes at a rate that made any attempt at fiscal and social dumping to raise productivity futile.
– take the opportunity to further regulate the financial industry to reduce tax fraud and evasion using off-shore products.
Posted 2 years ago
So far so good.
Tired - a rise in cost of (or worse, a scarcity of) claret is I believe considered a red line of reasonableness to the ERG.
Still the same remainer's whining away, Honestly ,couldn't make it up.
Still the same remainer’s whining away, Honestly ,couldn’t make it up.
nice evidence based opinion, like it.
Still the same remainer’s whining away, Honestly ,couldn’t make it up
Remainer's what?
Anyway, I'm a different remainer whining away, I dodn't often come to this thread.
Don't need to make it up, unlike the lies from Leave
Hmmm I always forget “rules of origin” that’s gonna another funtastic kicker for us.
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Still the same remainer’s whining away, Honestly ,couldn’t make it up.
Yeah you traitorous remoaners, why aren't you celebrating the loss of 30,000 jobs in Swindon with patriotic pride !
These arent job losses dictated to us by some faceless Eurocrats, these are good old local job losses for local people
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Can someone please post something positive about brexit? Surely it must bring something good or the country would not have voted.
Please refrain from using the following answers as we have heard these before:
Taking back control.
It’s the will of the people.
What I’m looking for is a definite brexit will be good for me because..........
Please feel free to share what aspect of your life will be improved once we leave.
That guardian article is really saddening to read, as it rings true.
The country needs to burn and decide which parts it really wants to extinguish in essence.
I fear the NHS and many of the things we genuinely should be proud of* will be left in ashes though.
*Not the 70 year old WWII jingoistic BS that seems like the holy to so many!
Still the same remainer’s whining away, Honestly ,couldn’t make it up
You won get over it 🙂
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Dunno I think you miss out and end up in a bubble if you do that.
I think you have to see all viewpoints.
brexit will be good for me because………I have a middle class reason not to waste money on a dyson
iolo
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Can someone please post something positive about brexit? Surely it must bring something good or the country would not have voted.
Upturn in allotment cultivation?
That's all I've got.
brexit will be good for me because………I have a middle class reason not to waste money on a dyson
This was proper funny right under your post was an advert for a shed .....took me a while to realize it woz an advert.
But made me think this guy's gone full native inglish
I think you have to see all viewpoints.
There is a difference between a viewpoint and a diatribe of shite.
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Of course there will be some upheavals...
Sounding like a politician now. Well done.
Simply don't read him, works for me.
So Phil, any good news?
A question ....It's a bit sad as much as I Mock the type r I nearly bought one....it seems odd 3500 jobs aside ( and that's a shit way to even say it)but the world is going electric do honda make an electric car it seems all the big electric players were in Europe petrol sales will decline? So is it in evitable that this was going to happen
So is it in evitable that this was going to happen
Nope they had a really good plant there - as I said before it's one I hear really good things about culture and shared values
This is their electric plans
https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/new/coming-soon/electric-vision.html
I think the shock that it's causing says it wasn't on the cards
Well tough shit, you voted for this, now your *.
Nicely done. Celebrating the loss of people's livelihoods to win an argument. I'm sure the people of Swindon, like the people of Sunderland and Blyth before them will give zero ** about your sneering. Honestly the more I see this sort of shit the more I think they were justified in voting to the crash the economy if only to piss you lot off.
Upturn in allotment cultivation?
That’s all I’ve got.
So that's why cobyns a breziteer!
Honestly the more I see this sort of shit the more I think they were justified in voting to the crash the economy if only to piss you lot off.
I'm not sure that your sneering at his sneering makes thing better
& You really haven't thought that through... it's their kids who's lives just got bleaker, us middle class mtbers just have to buy on-one tyres rather than £60 maxxis branded ones, to get by.
McClusky today showed what his & labour leaderships priorities are & funnily enough, it's not what's in the interest of his union members!
Have you not thought about those who have endured or suffered 61 years in EU bureaucratic system?
Come on Chewkw - specifically HOW have people suffered under EU bureaucracy? Details please. Tell me exactly what problems it caused?
Nicely done. Celebrating the loss of people’s livelihoods to win an argument. I’m sure the people of Swindon, like the people of Sunderland and Blyth before them will give zero ***** about your sneering. Honestly the more I see this sort of shit the more I think they were justified in voting to the crash the economy if only to piss you lot off.
“I told you so” is not celebrating. I feel for any worker who worked things out and said to themselves “the benefits outweigh the trade-offs.” Any one of them who just thought “la la la project fear” is not going to get a lot of sympathy. I feel for the loss of income locally, for the ancillary businesses and self-employed folk who work for the relatively highly paid associates. If you’re expecting those who voted for this shitshow not to eat multiple plates of “we told you so,” you’re a poor judge of human nature. It’s probably best you stop trying to view the debate through your prism of a class war. While you direct your ire at the middle class you seem to hate more and more, the rich who hate us all are laughing their arses off at you.
The thing about this EU-Japan trade deal is that it was all done at commission level. Britain could have had a say and even a veto but.
It will work well for some countries with wine and cheese exports to Japan expected to rise about 30%. The main hits will be taken in the UK as far as I can work it out. And that would have been the case even if the UK had remained, but the deal probably wouldn't have been the same if Britian had had any input during the 2017 phase of negotiations.
While you direct your ire at the middle class you seem to hate more and more,
On the contrary, I am the very epitome of the person you think I despise. However, what I do hate is snobbery, and Brexit and this thread are increasingly exposing a lot of it.
You’re right, the working and middle classes need to come together. They have far more in common than with the rich. I’d argue though that the onus is on the middle classes to make this happen. It’s not yet an all out class war, but it will become so if something doesn’t change, and the only way that’s going to happen is to redress the balance.
So what would you like to see change, Dazh?
Viewed from afar I'd like to see the media reined in. Freedom of speech is one thing and the freedom to lie quite another. Lying through omission and bare faced lies have made Britain what it is now. That Guardian article saw Brexit as some kind of retribution that would somehow be a turning point because things will be so bad. That's bollocks, the turning point will occur when truth with perspective becomes the norm.
Change? Live Fact Checking of politics, every interview starting with the lies from the previous one read back to them.
Mogg et al being lined up in Swindon to read out their tweets about the car industry being safe
Full declaration of interests and newspapers being made to add in the interests of a particular MP eg "JRM MP for the 1800's massive off shore investments moved just before key brexit votes"
Floggings for stupidity
But more seriously I'll go back to compulsory voting, if you want to know the key thing that has gone wrong it's apathy.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
About 35% of the population didn't vote in the referendum
31.2% Did not vote in the 2017 GE
Forget the stuff about FPTP at the moment, get everyone out to vote and see what the real feeling is.
It will work well for some countries with wine and cheese exports to Japan expected to rise about 30%. The main hits will be taken in the UK as far as I can work it out. And that would have been the case even if the UK had remained, but the deal probably wouldn’t have been the same if Britian had had any input during the 2017 phase of negotiations.
are Honda closing their other factories within the EU & Turkey-which is in CU?
Swindon is the Honda's only EU manufacturing plant AFAIK. The other bases are logistics platforms which they'll still need so they won't be closed.
Edit wiki says I'm wrong, lawnmowers in France small engines in Italy.
No idea what they'll do with those, but there's no pressing reason to close them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honda_facilities
So what would you like to see change,
The short answer is the government. Even that though probably doesn’t go far enough. Specifically around brexit, there needs to be an end to the name calling, blaming and schadenfreude. I’ve done plenty of it myself but calling people gammons, idiots, racists or whatever will only make it worse.
Even though I disagree with brexit, all this talk about reversing it, second votes etc will make it worse. It’s rare I agree with a Tory PM but May (and others) is right on this. The wider damage that ignoring the referendum result will be worse than brexit itself. IMO the only way to avoid this is to go for the least damaging workable option, and I still think that will happen with some sort of deal between labour and the tories.
And yes, an end to the acceptance of lies would be a very good thing.
and I still think that will happen with some sort of deal between labour and the tories.
History says that would require a war.
Even though I disagree with brexit, all this talk about reversing it, second votes etc will make it worse. It’s rare I agree with a Tory PM but May (and others) is right on this. The wider damage that ignoring the referendum result will be worse than brexit itself.
Worse than no deal or worse than May's deal?
At the moment there is no will or majority for either
Even though I disagree with brexit, all this talk about reversing it, second votes etc will make it worse. It’s rare I agree with a Tory PM but May (and others) is right on this. The wider damage that ignoring the referendum result will be worse than brexit itself. IMO the only way to avoid this is to go for the least damaging workable option, and I still think that will happen with some sort of deal between labour and the tories.
Not leaving would be a storm in a teacup, Brexiters would look outside at the rain and would nurse their apathy and hatred of people doing better than them with a can of stella and gogglebox.
Worse than no deal or worse than May’s deal?
Worse than both May’s deal and labour’s customs union policy. Not as bad as no deal in the short term but with equally bad long term impacts. The only way forward is to start to heal the wounds. To use the war analogy, why kill millions when we can just skip that bit and start on the rebuilding?
I’ve done plenty of it myself but calling people gammons, idiots, racists or whatever will only make it worse.
But all scousers are anti-Semitic right?
Ah come on now, even I could tell that was sarcasm.
