That Selous bloke is just plain lying. He’s probably feeding the inside track to his mates at the hedge fund and they’re shorting sterling and making a killing. In the (almost unbelievably) more moral world of business, it would be called insider trading and you might even be unlucky enough to get locked up for. However, if it is an entire country and its economy you are rigging to profit from, then that’s just politics, folks.
I hate these people. I used to vote Tory. Never, ever, ever again under any circumstances will I vote for this vile entity.
“There is nothing in WTO rules that forces anyone to put up border posts,” said WTO spokesman Keith Rockwell on a visit to Dublin last week.
So basically same thing, there needs to be some sort of border, the wto are saying don't blame us.
Doesn't the MFN rule also add to border problem? we could have a soft border if we weren't imposing tarifs or checks at the NI border, but we'd then have to offer same to every other country.
Would leave many of our own industries seriously undermined, steel, agriculture etc
Research implies some kind of informed study what does ERG research
I suggest you watch the HMRC evidence to select committee, he answered all these questions.
Research implies some kind of informed study what does ERG research
Plumbing new depths?
Two years ago Conservative MP's got to vote to decide a new party leader and Prime Minister. Many have become disillusioned in that time and now realise they may not be getting what they originally thought. Now two years down later they will get a second MP's vote to decide whether their original supposition was wrong, based on greater information.
Makes you think.
Lets get this straight the WTO will do nothing, that is not its role. Its role is to facilitate its members and set an environment.
The WTO rules demand a border but the WTO won't enforce it, of course not. What it will allow is for any member who believes it is being unfairly treated the opportunity to seek redress and legalise any sanctions deemed appropriate. If you trade between the Republic and UK with no checks then you have to be able to justify why those same rules aren't applied to every other country on earth.
The US wants to sell chlorinated chicken the EU doesn't want it. A border will have to be enforced to prevent it crossing into the EU market.
What a complete waste of time having 3/4 of a million people marching in London for a Peoples Vote. Perhaps all it would have taken were 48 of them to write letters and pop them through the letter box at number 10 Downing Street.
So, where's this wiki list of ERG members @mefty? I'd be interested to check it out.
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That MP who thinks that a no deal Brexit means that we can use the transition period to prepare has been listening to DD… who's spreading the stupid around his fellow MPs.
They employ one person to do research that is pretty much the extent of their expenditure
Is she very well paid, or do the MPs have other costs related to this research?
Forty MPs have paid money to the ERG and claimed it back as ‘research’ over the period covering the David Cameron and Theresa May governments. These include current ministers and members of May’s cabinet.
But the true number could be higher. Other MPs regarded as ERG members have claimed expenses for “research services” on European issues without specifying the ERG.
According to a Whitehall analyst who has reviewed MPs’ expense statements for openDemocracy, the amount of taxpayers’ money received by the ERG is likely to be well above the officially listed quarter of a million pounds.
Awaiting the result, but still it doesn't answer many questions if she wins, there is a bit of me that thinks she is currently running around in a Harry Potter film
Waiting to use the get out of jail free card of time travel to nip around and fix a heap of little details that will suddenly make this all right again.
how much longer will the Mogg-ites carry on as if they had leverage?
Until they are out of power or the majority is such that they can be ignored.... hell in this situation the DUP have leverage
BBC interviewing Tory members of the public as usual
Well they did mention that on R4 as this is a tory cluster thing today, tomorrow we get to move this back to the broader debate. Though interviewing Tories is good for everyone else, the Sale lot look such a miserable bunch, especially the bloke not allowed on the talking table who is just getting pissed
How long does it take to sort and count 300 odd bits of paper?
Is Andrew O'Neill just reading the BBCs Brexit for Dummies webpages? Arse.
Depends how many pens you need to amend the result, we could just have had a twitter poll
Is Andrew O’Neill just reading the BBCs Brexit for Dummies webpages? Arse.
I know he doesn't even have a tory brexiter in shot to explain it to
Is she very well paid, or do the MPs have other costs related to this research?
It is a he.
I know I am out of touch on these things but I don't think £40K ish is very well paid, although pretty good money for a parliament researcher.
I know I am out of touch on these things but I dont £40K ish is very well paid, although pretty good money for a parliament researcher.
Depends on the quality of the research, some of the crap they come out with makes it read more like a bit of a google for some stuff before checking Damien Green's browsing history
Research group would imply more than one no?
she's won
No it is one researcher.
Comes to something when we're all delighted to keep the Maybot!
Haha Moggy is a terrible loser 😁
So, can we get back to the real job in hand now?
(And please can Mogster fall on his gilded sword?)
Not a great result for her.
Not a great result for anyone.
Ahem.
I suspect she’s going to win the vote and stay there for another year. All she needs is a majority of one.
Well, that feels like a waste of a day.
Is Christmas still on?
So.. back to hard brexit again.
Potentially 127 tories plus DUP would vote against the only deal.
Probably labour will vote against the deal.
The EU won't offer a new deal.
The tories plus DUP won't allow an election or referendum before March.
Unless over 100 opposition MPs vote for the only deal on offer:
All ending at the bottom of the cliff and hard brexit.
Haha Moggy is a terrible loser
He really is a weapons grade arsehole. At least some of the others dream of being in charge and so taking responsibility. He just sits there sniping away and avoiding any real responsibility.
The amendment to the bill agreed last week means that if there is a no deal, it has to go back to the HOC - despite the likes of JRM, the hard-Brexit loons are a minority despite the air-time they get - they could barely struggle to get 48 votes, never mind a parliamentary majority.
Unlikely things that I would like to happen to Jrm.
Lads holiday to Ibiza where he gets pissed and has pig ****er tattooed on his forehead.
I know I am out of touch on these things but I don’t think £40K ish is very well paid, although pretty good money for a parliament researcher.
So where does the rest of the money go?
Still want to see this link to a wiki list of ERG members. It would be useful. And I still don't see how this party within the ruling party gets our money to help it campaign against its own party's government and PM.
The WTO rules demand a border but the WTO won’t enforce it, of course not.
They don't, they demand a level playing field. The HMRC evidence to the select committee was they could operate a fully compliant - this is my paraphrase - border without having border infrastructure using a mixture of existing procedures. The same amounts would be charged so there shouldn't be any reason for other countries to make a complaint.
The EU seem to want a physical border presumably because either it suits their negotiating position, their risk evaluation is different, or some other reason.
The amendment to the bill agreed last week means that if there is a no deal, it has to go back to the HOC – despite the likes of JRM, the hard-Brexit loons are a minority despite the air-time they get – they could barely struggle to get 48 votes, never mind a parliamentary majority.
As has already been pointed out, it is not effective yet. The only thing that requires no further action from parliament or the government is no deal as that happens as a result of Article 50. Chances are something will be done, but not certain.
A short guide to percentages from Jacob Rees Mogg: 63% “a terrible result for the prime minister she must resign” 52% “a resounding victory hard brexit now”
Quite. He's a ****. But we've always known that.
So where does the rest of the money go?
What other money? Surely you didn't fall for the old numbers trick contained in the dreadful article you linked. It doesn't say £250,000 per annum, the Tories have been in power for over seven years now so £40,000 - £50,000 per annum for 7 years is over £250,000. I did encourage you to read the IPSA report. Annual budget is about £40,000-£50,000, around 25 MPs contributing £2,000 each -see page 13.
The EU seem to want a physical border
They seem to be insisting that there must not be one.
The EU seem to want a physical border presumably because either it suits their negotiating position, their risk evaluation is different, or some other reason.
I get you like to accept stuff that backs you up and disregard stuff that doesn't but the EU gets a say on it's borders. It's kind of a shared thing.
2k per year membership that the he claims back as an expense.
So the public are paying for Jacob rich snobbs extra curricular activities?
Makes you think...
The people that are desperate for a physical border between Ireland and UK without admitting it are the DUP. Sadly they have far too much of a grip over this government.
