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Grieve's amendment has been formally called by Speaker. So another huge vote is due tonight - this time on making sure MPs can say what kind of Brexit or no Brexit they want in the event that May's loses vote on her Brexit
BUsy day in politics today!
how is this goverment still standing?
how do we get starmer in place of corbyn?
So about that result. Not only do we get to read whatever they didn't want us to read, but the government got a kicking despite having a majority. Nice.
Why do we think they didn't want it seen? Because perhaps it'll make voting for the Brexit deal seem so ruinous that Parliament can't vote for it?
Or, option 2: There's nothing damaging in it, the government made a show of refusing to publish it to force a vote knowing that if they won it they'd look strong and if they lost it it'd make the opposition look hysterical and a bit stupid.
I know this is politics and no rules of morals or truthfulness apply, but how can the 'contempt' vote even have been that close?
AIUI
Parliament requests that legal advice be published in full - which I know is contrary to usual practice and attorney-client privilege, etc., but.....
Government does not make that case and in fact allows that motion to pass without much hindrance
Government then fails to do what was requested and they 'agreed' to
- and then argues that they shouldn't have to because normally that info would be privileged?
I know there's black, white and grey, but how much more b/w could this one be?
Now to find out what they were so determined not to reveal..... and will the A-G then be found to have been 'economical' with his full disclosure statements earlier??
but the government got a kicking despite having a majority.
Except it doesn't it needs to make sure the appropriate fee is settled before each crucial vote. One DUP nutter was interviewed basically saying their deal was dead as more tories opposed the pm than DUP members.
I know this is politics and no rules of morals or truthfulness apply, but how can the ‘contempt’ vote even have been that close?
I wondered that. See here though,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46446694
Labour's Sir Keir Starmer said... it was "unprecedented" for ministers to have been found in contempt.
The way I read that is that they always look after their own rather than call each other out in this sort of stuff. Ie, the ones who voted it down maybe did it because that's simply what you always do in this situation.
I am trying to remember when a government did itself quite so much harm in such a short space of time, it is really unprecedented, with the exception of borris they even seem to be short on time to be hanging around with other people's partners.
Contempt
Mass resignation
Backflips and capitulation
The Grieve amendment has passed - in the second embarrassing loss for the PM today.
Ayes 321
Nos 299
Theresa May really isn't very good at this, is she ?
I make that Government 0-3 .
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Almost makes me wish I'd watched it all happening. Almost.
Anyhow, when do we get to see who voted what? I assume there are Tory rebels in there? How many?
this could go badly, tory remainers over playing their hand too early could drive the brexiteers and the DUP into supporting the Maybot for fear of no Brexit!
Theresa May really isn’t very good at this, is she ?
Tory liar liars. Nothing new there.
Hopefully they will completely collapse. And the electorate will realise they've done nothing under their watch that has bought harmony to the UK.
Tories couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery where everyone is already pissed-up.
Colleague at work today cannot believe the betrayal of the 'will of the people' and thinks if we don't get a proper no deal Brexit they'll be blood on the streets 'ten times worse than anything that might kick off in Ireland' (sic).
He apparently knew exactly what he was voting for - bloody politicians are ruining it for him.
Maybe they’ll get Tommy Robinson to do a party political broadcast stood by a Spitfire or something?
Given his past, a Messerschmitt would be more appropriate
Most excellent sobriety!
Has UKIP become too racist for Farage now?
Has UKIP become too racist for Farage now?
Yes. On his show, he was saying he didn't like the direction it was going in.
A la Tommy Robinson.
That bloke from Wetherspoons is on channel 4 news on a tour of the country to promote Brexit. Everyone he meets seems to support his opinion.
Because he only goes in his own pubs
Who do you think is sat in a Wetherspoons on a Tuesday afternoon? There was, surprisingly, no-one who wasn’t old, white, male, with a head like an angry tomato
Remember Ratners?
Has UKIP become too racist for Farage now?
He's quit UKIP today apparently..
But but Tim has promised he can slash 37p off a burger and a pint.....
Think of the children for gods sake, a square meal from Tim and cheap shoes from JRM
They want *ing shooting, they dont have an ounce of humanity.
The only blood on the streets will be from an angry gammon having a "fall' then the paramedic is probably from Slovakia- but they didnt vote to send him back...
YES YOU *ING DID YOU RACIST ****
i feel slightly better.....
On a slightly more "level" note the ERG are not happy with Domonic Grieves "success" today.
And still not the required number of letters? Who would have thought that JRM a practising Catholic would have shot his bolt early?
I know its a cheap shot (there i go again!) Maybe he needs to get a better "withdrawal" approach sorted.....
I could go on....
I will "no brexit" the unplanned pregnancy...
Even with all the crap happening in France, UK politics are still more interesting.
I am surprised nobody noticed Trump attack on the NHS . He wants to use the future trade deal with UK to force NHS to pay more for drugs.
I guess that's what Fox is negociating
Anyone want a slice of humble pie yet? Barnier has done a pretty good job of defending my interests so all is good apart from the stink of burning rubbish bins the local kids have set on fire.
I think setting your own dustbin on fire will be the extent of the backlash.
Let them carry on. Let them stink thier houses out and potentially set fire to thier houses or cars.
He apparently knew exactly what he was voting for
Have you asked him what that was?
Alright Ed. It's been a while.
So it seems Garage has quit UKIP. Two things I wonder:
1) Has he seen the writing on the wall and is about to "do a Cameron" before the whole thing crashes down?
2) Reckon he'll still get boatloads of airtime on the Beeb?
This is all about positioning himself as a moderate racist
Lots of bluffing and counter bluffing in Parliament. As klunk says (^), the Brexiters don't like TM's deal, but if a second referendum begins to look like a real possibility, they'll vote for it to kill off the debate rather than risk no Brexit.
Dominic Raab is on the radio at the moment saying a 'Clean Brexit' would have an economic impact in the short-term but would be worth it in the long run
I am heartily *ing sick of hearing this argument from rich, entitled *s who have the luxury of the (unearned) financial cushion that enables them to absorb that. They clearly don't give a flying one about those who don't enjoy that same privilege. Or they're just so detached from reality that they just assume everyone, like them, has a big wedge of savings, maybe a few properties and a share portfolio put aside for just such eventualities
Any deal is bad for hard-line Brexshitters.
No deal, they can claim victory
Remain they can carry on shouting from the sides
they’ll vote for it to kill off the debate
I think that is underestimating just how much "control" May is offering to give up to the EU. Remember, these Tory Brexitier MPs really do believe that Brexit is about "taking back control" rather than just being about keeping Eastern Europeans out. For them (and all of us really) the Withdrawl Deal as it currently stands gives up our say, power and control.
As for Farrage… UKIP are over… he can continue to stir up the shit in the media without them… and the other UKIP big names are already rejoining the Conservative party… and anything could happen there… it is already close to being two parties in painful and angry coalition.
I am heartily *ing sick of hearing this argument from rich, entitled *s who have the luxury of the (unearned) financial cushion that enables them to absorb that
Nothing new there though from a Tory.
As for Farrage… UKIP are over… he can continue to stir up the shit in the media without them…
If it wasn't for the time needed (Given it took him 20- 25 years with ukip) I can see him starting a new party somewhere down the line.
He was warbling on about his options the other day.
Is anyone else thinking of cancelling their licence fee? I'm so sick of the BBC's bias latest example is Raab going unchallenged.
Was listening to 6 music news and low and behold after the main headline from yesterday they went straight to a prominent leave MP for his two cents. Then you have the BBC crews and question time production that seem to just hang around in the Leave heartlands, oh let's go to Hartlepool fish market for some ordinary man vox pops
Heartily sick of it, plus it would allow this hand wringing lazy liberal feel like he's done his bit for the cause
Never mind Theresa, love. Fancy a dance, hen?
Geoffrey Cox reputation now trashed, legal advice clearly says we cant exit backstop unilaterally
May has onec again played a blinder, as jambalya might have said 😉
meanwhile the entire farce is finally sinking in with the public
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/1070270957179297794
how can the DUP support this ?
It may be of no importance, but why is the letter dated 13th November 2018, the same day the humble address asked for its publication. Almost as if it didn't exist until it was asked for......