That's the first thing Nora has ever written that you will guarantee to be true.
I went to Turkey in 1996 where we were told they would be joining the EU within 2 years.
I think my watch must be running 20 years too fast.
Britiain might just be fighting back against the xenophobes rather than letting them win.
hora - Member
It'll be remain. I guarantee it.
British have lost their spirit and fight. Now we follow.Apathy, TV culture reign.
How many politically active friends do you know?
All we care about is equity gains, BTL, house ladder climbing and new cars.
Thatcher said we were a nation of shopkeepers, now we are a nation of shit the door and sit infront of the box grazers.
I am afraid you are right ...
What a naive view you have there. 😆 There are so many ways to skin a cat. They do not even have to set foot on your soil to demand that you feed them. Just increase your EU club fees will do nicely and nobody can see that ... all sweep under the carpet. You might see several millions of Turks all over EU that is definite but the clever ones will have two incomes ... one from the country they are working and another from their govt handouts to "bride" the people for vote. Simple. 😆thepurist - Member
... do you really believe the hype that there are 70M people all waiting to come to Britain when Turkey magically completes the process it started 40 years agom
I am afraid if you wish to say that you are not a xenophobe yourself then you [b]better open the door to all from all over the world otherwise[/b] you are merely pretending to be lesser [b]xenophobe[/b].Drac - Moderator
Britiain might just be fighting back against the xenophobes rather than letting them win.
As a legal alien our feeling is simple. You block me (general expression not me) or prevent me (general expression again) from making or taking a better life you are a xenophobe. Make it whatever you will I can assure you majority will feel that way.
Why not interview those failed migrants from other countries see what they say ...
It'll be remain. I guarantee it.
British have lost their spirit and fight. Now we follow.
Apathy, TV culture reign.
How many politically active friends do you know?
All we care about is equity gains, BTL, house ladder climbing and new cars.
Thatcher said we were a nation of shopkeepers, now we are a nation of shit the door and sit infront of the box grazers.
You must be a real bundle of fun to hang out with!
I am afraid if you wish to say that you are not a xenophobe yourself then you better open the door to all from all over the world otherwise you are merely pretending to be lesser xenophobe.
I'm good with opening the door to all.
So cmon chewkw, describe the path that will lead to full eu membership for Turkey within, let's say, 5 years. Let's see who's naive.
It is a systematic process that is not very evident until it is too late. The visa relaxation is the first step then there are background stuff that are not publicize ... then one day you wake up to hear " ... in fact they have already got all the systems in place to join ... so let them in ...". If you are lucky you will notice something in the next 5 years but if you are really unlucky in the next decade or so they will be in.thepurist - Member
So cmon cheeky, describe the path that will lead to full eu membership for Turkey within, let's say, 5 years. Let's see who's naive.
Now your turn to convince EU to do so see how far you get ... 😆Drac - Moderator
I am afraid if you wish to say that you are not a xenophobe yourself then you better open the door to all from all over the world otherwise you are merely pretending to be lesser xenophobe.
I'm good with opening the door to all.
British have lost their spirit and fight. Now we follow.
Your head is in the clouds, it really is.
So no evidence, no facts, nothing but fear mongering. Glad that's cleared up.
then there are background stuff that are not publicize
So how do you know about it?
Or are you just having wild guesses?
Has the visa been relaxed for Turkish people entering EU?thepurist - Member
So no evidence, no facts, nothing but fear mongering. Glad that's cleared up.
molgrips - Member
then there are background stuff that are not publicize
So how do you know about it?Or are you just having wild guesses?
Has it not for the referendum thing you would not have given any monkey to how much we contribute to EU and most of the politicians will simply sweep that under the carpet rather than making a bit statement about that. Nobody gives two hoots so long as they are not affected. Even now when the amount we contributed and the amount we get back cannot be agreed so you are talking about wild guesses? 😆
Now your turn to convince EU to do so see how far you get ...
But we're told that's what will happen if we stay on the EU.
I'm pretty sure you have no idea what is going on Chewkw and just shout leave so you get some attention.
Folks are talking about Turkey as if they are a pariah state.
Let's not forget - we would go to WAR to defend them
Ok so the £ is likely to go down with a Brexit vote, right? So if I am going on holiday to the US, should I buy a load of $ now? But if remain wins.. the opposite would be true.
And that two thirds of Turke are against joining the EU - I think they can probably be reasonably discounted from the Ottoman wave of terror that's heading our way (assuming that Turkey ever actually joins the EU, and that those who DO want to join think the UK is the place to migrate to and destroy).
Drac - Moderator
Now your turn to convince EU to do so see how far you get ...But we're told that's what will happen if we stay on the EU.
I'm pretty sure you have no idea what is going on Chewkw and just shout leave so you get some attention.
Not really. I am saying that you are being unfair and your notion of equality is only applicable within the context of EU where it suits you best.
By the very definition of fair does that not mean applying same treatment to all regardless of who they are? But why is EU not treating non-EU in a welcoming manner but trying to define as EU ("us") and non-EU ("them").
Isn't the very notion of equality applicable to all but why are EU erecting a wall to prevent non-EU nations free movement? Aren't you supporting a "lesser" xenophobe institution?
Are you preaching to the ones that are blatantly ignorant of the meaning of equality by substituting their own meaning? If so aren't you also guilty of xenophobe like the ones you are accusing of?
That is why I keep saying most of you are inconsistent in your logic and outlook in life ... (voice of Yoda not Ming the merciless)
hora - MemberThatcher said we were a nation of shopkeepers
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That tall dead babe ?
describe the path that will lead to full eu membership for Turkey within, let's say, 5 years. Let's see who's naive.
Oh, sorry, are we getting another referendum in, say, five years?
Yeah you've no idea.
ernie_lynch - Member
hora - Member
Thatcher said we were a nation of shopkeepers
Whoa.....
That tall dead babe ?
Did you see Neil Kinnock grinning from ear to ear when he walked around the Welsh town on telly? I mean he was walking up to shake the hands of people with the camera behind him but the people felt uncomfortable to see the "Stewart" and naturally Kinnock congratulated himself.
Now Kinnock junior is trying to raise his head to be seen as the future champion of the poor Welsh people ... ya ... right ...
Yes, the Kinnock has done well for themselves but look at the Welsh ...
Drac - Moderator
Yeah you've no idea.
If you want a free movement for all then why are you excluding those from non-EU?
Simple question ... no tricks here.
What this referendum is highlighting more than anything else the absolute absence of any kind of decent leadership in the UK. The tories are corperate puppets and the rest are swivel eyed loons.
Push come to shove I would put Sturgeon in charge or more likey EU politicians until we get some decent ones.
Remain, I've still not seen a convincing argument to leave ,
Hey Hora, politically active and absolutely IN.
I will totally fight for this one! No pussyfooting around, I saw the other side of the Iron Curtain and it did not appeal. The EU is a force for peace and stability which has cemented the former Eastern Bloc into freedom and democracy. We are all enjoying the benefits of peace.
Worry about your equity or whatever it is but don't for one moment believe that there's no passion and no political activism for remain.
If we had decent leadership, we wouldn't be having this referendum at all.
Clover +1
Well put, Clover - that's what I wanted to say but didn't know how.
If you want a free movement for all then why are you excluding those from non-EU?
They're not.
whatyadoinsucka - Member
Remain, I've still not seen a convincing argument to leave ,
You see what you want to see ...
Nobody can change that.
You see what you want to see ...
Nope, whatyadoinsucka is right, and the more people that see it the better.
Can they just apply for jobs like anyone else without having to show their passport or tick the box like do you have rights to work in EU?Drac - Moderator
They're not.If you want a free movement for all then why are you excluding those from non-EU?
As do you chewkw.
I am sure they all know that without you having to tell them how to think. 😆mikey74 - Member
Nope, whatyadoinsucka is right, and the more people that see it the better.
molgrips - Member
As do you chewkw.
You mean "as you do ...?"
If so then yes, I am just being myself. Enjoy the entertainment. 😆
No, they'd have to provide a form identity just like anyone applying for a job in the UK.
I am sure they all know that without you having to tell them how to think. 😆mikey74 - Member
Nope, whatyadoinsucka is right, and the more people that see it the better.
You mean "as you do ..."?molgrips - Member
As do you chewkw.
If so then yes I am just being myself.
Enjoy the entertainment. 😆
Crikey, they live here temporarily with friends for visit and intend to start all over. They were told they could not hire them because they were from non-EU.Drac - Moderator
No, they'd have to provide a form identity just like anyone applying for a job in the UK.
Push come to shove I would put Sturgeon in charge or more likey EU politicians until we get some decent ones.
Sturgeon and Rudd were both very impressive in the ITV debate - stand out contributions in a sea of drivel. Accurate, incisive, authoratitive
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ETA - so might as well add...
... What's up with Turkey then?
If we had decent leadership, we wouldn't be having this referendum at all.Clover +1
If we had had decent leadership in the past, we would have had it before signing the Lisbon treaty, as we were promised.
You mean "as you do ..."?
I meant you are doing the same thing you are accusing us of.
molgrips - Member
You mean "as you do ..."?
I meant you are doing the same thing you are accusing us of.
Okay ... I see what you mean ... I see you ...
Are you referring to me saying you lot are inconsistent and yet I am inconsistent myself? 😆 (yes, no or some long answers will do but be specific otherwise I have to ask again before I answer and if I make the wrong assumption some sensitive blokes will report me left, right and centre ... )
Crikey, they live here temporarily with friends for visit and intend to start all over. They were told they could not hire them because they were from non-EU.
Start all over?
Drac - Moderator
Crikey, they live here temporarily with friends for visit and intend to start all over. They were told they could not hire them because they were from non-EU.
Start all over?
Yes, both from non-EU wanting to work in the UK/EU i.e. starting over as in starting a new life for economy reason nothing else. For money sort of things.
I'm lost now.
Drac - Moderator
I'm lost now.
Crikey ...
1. Both are from non-EU.
2. Both want to work in UK/EU.
They can apply for the job but practically zero chance of getting the job not because they are not qualified etc ...
They can apply for the job but practically zero chance of getting the job not because they are not qualified etc .
They have the same chance as anyone else.
No, they don't coz they were told that their chances of getting the jobs were slim to none straight to their face because they were from non-EU. Yes, they can apply like anyone else.Drac - Moderator
They have the same chance as anyone else.They can apply for the job but practically zero chance of getting the job not because they are not qualified etc .
No, they don't coz they were told that their chance of getting the jobs were slim to none. Straight to their face. Yes, they can apply like anyone else.
So you have an example of one employer.
