[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

This is well worth a watch - professor Michael Dougan, a professor of European law, lays out what would really happen (and what we don't know) about an EU exit

I second this.
If you have any interest in this referendum you should watch this, to get an understanding of the legal side of it all.

sbob - Member

Ps. I'm in.
For none of the reasons that any of the shouty remain BSers on here give.

So exactly what reason(s) may I ask? Not trying to take the Mickey btw seriously.

My own reason to Vote OUT is bureaucracy. Very simple. Many people disagree I know. 😛

packer - Member

This is well worth a watch - professor Michael Dougan, a professor of European law, lays out what would really happen (and what we don't know) about an EU exit

I second this.
If you have any interest in this referendum you should watch this, to get an understanding of the legal side of it all.

yourguitarhero - Member
Well, I was undecided at the start.
Have chosen to vote to stay in as the nicer smelling of two shitty sticks

Nail/head.

colp - Member

yourguitarhero - Member
Well, I was undecided at the start.
Have chosen to vote to stay in as the nicer smelling of two shitty sticks

Nail/head.

Agree, nail/head to condemn the future generations.

Drac - Moderator
Whenever I read one of Chewkw posts I keep picturing like this.

Why you! D'oh!

Aha but you got it wrong there ... I much prefer this ...

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The Simpsons is sooooo yesterday ...

Jambalaya

Majority of small businesess owners I know are Leave not least as their business is 100% domestic..

Strange, the large majority of the small business owners I know are going to vote Remain. And their businesses are all domestic

And I don't see how taking us out of Europe is going to change the internet competition, unless higher tariffs are placed on goods imported from outside the UK. If that happens, guess what will happen to UK goods sold abroad.......

jimw - Member
Strange, the large majority of the small business owners I know are going to vote Remain.

Majority that I know are struggling ...

You don't have to be genius to walk the street in the Toon to see empty shops.

Oh ya ... the ones I know want out ...

Actually they are in the main doing very well thank you. a few are taking on new employees

sbob - thanks. Didn't get many answers on those two...!

On TTIP, yes I understand the bit about ISDSs. The bit I don't understand is if a trading block of similar size / combined GDP cannot negotiate this out of the deal, how is it conceivable that a post-Brexit UK could???? If the Yanks are adding ISDSs to their trade agreements, then surely we have SFA choice whether in or out of the EU?

chewkw

Crikey, there is nothing new there.
Very simple. Law is men/women made so law can be improved or changed with the will of the men/women.

Well, that means you didn't watch the video clip then...

If you did, you will know that a large part of the 20 odd minutes was explaining the amount of effort required (and giving away of "sovereignty") necessary to work through all the laws and trade deals to re-write and or re-negotiate them all 😉

rkk01 - Member
Well, that means you didn't watch the video clip then...

I did! Wasted 20 odd minutes of my life.

Crikey unless there is something new please don't torture others to watch it.

Yes, that is why I said there is a period of adjustment and nothing to be afraid of ...

I mean it is so obvious from the start go you lefties (not targeting you but generally speaking) are hell bend on distorting the obvious ... innit.

rkk01

There is always a choice, we can always reject.
Aligning ourselves to the corporate wants of the US is not on my agenda.
And despite now being a lowly barkeep, I've spent most of my adult life working in manufacturing and have done plenty of business with the States, and the Chinese for that matter.
With our engineering knowledge and experience we can make stuff that other countries can't.
I've made stuff that is whizzing around in space that every one of you with a smartphone will make use of.
The customer simply couldn't get it made anywhere else; they tried!

I'm not suggesting we try and make our economy run on the strength of our precision and high tech manufacturing, just using it as an example of why business will prevail.

Yeah but need a trade negotiation to sell your wing nut washer.

I've spent most of my adult life working in manufacturing and have done plenty of business with the States, and the Chinese for that matter

And you've done all that while being in the EU - tell me again how the EU is holding us back?

Compared to 10+ years of uncertainly as we negotiate new trade deals with every other country on the planet, meanwhile rewriting thousands of UK laws to get rid of the ties to the EU.

Drac - Moderator

Yeah but need a trade negotiation to sell your wing nut washer.

Your wit is rivalled only by your literacy.

5000 posts? I guess this has all been sorted out by now?

Your wit is rivalled only by your literacy.

Thanks. It's called dyslexia.

Whenever I read one of Chewkw posts I keep picturing like this.

You read his posts? Your dedication to moderating/moderation is commendable.

And you've done all that while being in the EU - tell me again how the EU is holding us back?

I'm not sure I told you it was in the first place, so I will invoke Junkers Law (no c) and shout "strawman!". 🙂

(Though the EU economy is in decline compared to rest of the world as I'm sure you know)

It is however an excellent point that you raise that I did this without TTIP.
Thank you.

Drac - Moderator

Thanks. It's called dyslexia.

I'm not sure you're funny enough to give your particular brand of humour a fancy name.

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The reason why the main three parties have not made "an issue" of immigration is because there isn't one. It has only become an issue because the BSers have been able to tap into the soft underbelly of xenophobia and racism that exists in our society. As stated before it is an old and sadly successful tactic but sadly we do not learn from history,

It's shamefull that this referendum is now being decided on this issue (since the economic one is a slam dunk despite not being well presented by the IN leaders.) and that the BSers have deliberately linked the failing in our society and economy to those less fortunate than ourselves.

Farrage's despicable poster may have been a low point but that doesn't excuse the blaming JF for the health service, housing etc by the other OUT leaders, they should be genuinely ashamed of themselves and so frankly should anyone who doesn't condemn them loudly.

I had a four and a bit car journey today. Today on R4 was ok but switching to R5L at nine made me despair at the misinformed vitriole being directed at foreigners.

I've spent most of my adult life working in manufacturing and have done plenty of business with the States, and the Chinese for that matter

And you've done all that while being in the EU - tell me again how the EU is holding us back?
Compared to 10+ years of uncertainly as we negotiate new trade deals with every other country on the planet, meanwhile rewriting thousands of UK laws to get rid of the ties to the EU.

You don't need trade deals to trade

See our current trade with US and China as an example

julianwilson - Member

Whenever I read one of Chewkw posts I keep picturing like this.

You read his posts? Your dedication to moderating/moderation is commendable.

Drac - Moderator
Thanks. It's called dyslexia.

Does the condition affect judgement or interpretation? (Seriously and I am NOT taking the mickey - let's clear this before someone twists my words)

Do you want to be treated equally or do you prefer different treatment? Tell us what you accept and what you don't so I can deal with that before you accuse me of something else.

You don't need trade deals to trade

No? Explain that some more please? I was under the impression that by default, there are import tarrifs on things, but trade deals reduce or eliminate them.

Without a deal we would have to pay the duties and tariffs, no? Whilst it would still be possible to trade the pricing would be so disadvantageous that we wouldn't get any business... Tell me if I'm wrong. Pref with facts.

You don't need trade deals to trade

You don't need them, but it makes it a whole lot easier, especially with regards to regulations - product safety and the like.

bencooper - Member

You don't need them, but it makes it a whole lot easier, especially with regards to regulations - product safety and the like.

Do a lot of trade with the States, Mr Cooper?

Do you think TTIP will increase your trading levels, and ease of trading?

After watching the piece on the romanian guy who says he has earned 40k in benefits to do his house up in Romania. and the laughed out loud its free money

Err no Screw Europe

Would they give me 40k to do this house up? No

Back in Romania his wife runs a resteraunt

Does the condition affect judgement or interpretation? (Seriously and I am NOT taking the mickey - let's clear this before someone twists my words)

I can some sometimes misread things yes and take something too literal.

Do you want to be treated equally or do you prefer different treatment? Tell us what you accept and what you don't so I can deal with that before you accuse me of something else.

I am equal.

After watching the piece on the romanian guy who says he has earned 40k in benefits to do his house up in Romania. and the laughed out loud its free money

If it's true what has our benefit scheme got to do with the EU?

Drac - Moderator
I can some sometimes misread things yes and take something too literal.

I am equal.

BSers have been able to tap into the soft underbelly of xenophobia and racism that exists in our society

His wives earnings are not taken into consideration for the home which he is living in paid for by the council for the family living back home, because of his unemployed status he claims tax credits and support

Otoh my partner works for the NHS part time on 8k when I was out of work at the end of last year we could get sod all

Call me bitter

It takes a lot to offend me Chewkw

Just because you want to have control over immigration does not mean you are a closet racist!

No, but making it your Number One issue, even when it is not in fact even a real issue, is indeed racist.

The reason why the main three parties have not made "an issue" of immigration is because there isn't one.

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No, but making it your Number One issue, even when it is not in fact even a real issue, is indeed racist.

Drac - Moderator
It takes a lot to offend me Chewkw

Okay here goes as I assume this is not offensive, yes.

Separated at birth ...

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That villain bloke from Robocop One. 😆

Muffin man, if only you'd take the first half of your own advice.

After watching the piece on the romanian guy who says he has earned 40k in benefits to do his house up in Romania. and the laughed out loud its free money

Oh for Christ's sake don't be so stupid.

Benefit fraud is not caused by the EU!

Haha! Yeah kind of

Once Turkey joins EU that is when fun starts where your income tax will increased to subsidies the new member. Your EU "club fees" will definitely increase ...

Oh yes there is no ifs or buts, coz they are joining whether you like it or not and since you have weak leaders your veto is insignificant ... 😆

Drac - Moderator
Haha! Yeah kind of

Apologies if someone has already posted this....
At last some facts

https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06/16/watch-dishonesty-industrial-scale-eu-law-expert-analyses-referendum-debate/

It'll be remain. I guarantee it.
British have lost their spirit and fight. Now we follow.

Apathy, TV culture reign.

How many politically active friends do you know?

All we care about is equity gains, BTL, house ladder climbing and new cars.

Thatcher said we were a nation of shopkeepers, now we are a nation of shit the door and sit infront of the box grazers.

Once Turkey joins EU that is when fun starts

Nah we'll all have hover bikes by then, that's the real fun. Have you done any further exploration of the likelihood of Turkey being granted membership or do you really believe the hype that there are 70M people all waiting to come to Britain when Turkey magically completes the process it started 40 years agom