oldandpastit – We voted to end membership of the EU and therefore membership of the single market.
And many campaigners said said that we could be out and still in th SM... just goes to show the only united vote was remain as it was the only defined option.
People voted to change the relationship, the foolishness was for parliament to decide to launch into the most extreme option they had without any planning or thought that in order to reverse this move the country would lose all of its privileges in the community.
Parliament didn't decide to launch into an extreme option, May did. Parliament just handed her the rope. Maybe a narrow distinction.
Can you link to where May has stated that she is advocating an extreme version?
i can only see where she has compromised from her Lancaster house position towards a less extreme version
Parliament didn’t decide to launch into an extreme option, May did.
There are 649 people vs 1. They can remove her or force the negotiations as they want. They voted for A50. Today in the papers it is published that just 80 MPs can destroy the current chequers proposal. May is not an all powerful leader
as for rope. They are laying out enough for everyone to get a noose
Can you link to where May has stated that she is advocating an extreme version?
Again comprehension rather than making stuff up.
It's easy to see lighting the fuse for a strictly time limited negotiation with no plan and strict objectives that have already been ruled out is extreme.
No, making stuff up. The government’s most extreme version has been a bespoke FTA as laid out at LH. As is second para
Of course she should have started from extreme and moved backwards from there. But hey, imaging how much froth that would have generated.
more bad news: uk economy grows at fastest rate in almost a year. (Annualised 2.4%). Hats off to the get on with it brigade
Ah, it's "bespoke" again.
"The B word has become an increasingly common branding lure employed by interior design companies, publishers, surgeons and pornographers. There are bespoke wines, bespoke software, bespoke vacations, bespoke barber shops, bespoke insurance plans, bespoke yoga, bespoke tattoos, even bespoke medical implants."
Indeed. We reject off the shelf versions for SM access in favour of a bespoke version. No wonder people use the B word
"we"?
I want a bespoke cake… get baking… I'll tell you before I blow the candles out what flavour it should be… honest!
I can tell you now that none of your current known recipes will do at all… there… that makes it easier for you, doesn't it… all my guests are going to love this cake… thanks… …what do you mean? Unreasonable? Timescales? Other people to bake for? Time waster? I don't understand?
You can’t just abdicake all responsibility for telling the cake maker exactly what you want!
I'm off for a bespoke coffee.
I think you should have cake with that coffee… it's your duty.
abdicake
Word of the day.
Would a potato cake work for everyone?
What is the word for launching into a negotiation starting with a position so far from what is realistic?
uk economy grows at fastest rate in almost a year
Or to quote the ONS
While monthly growths in the current period weren’t notably strong, the months in the base period had weak or negative growth. Therefore, at face value the current period growth appears strong when compared with the base period.
Would a potato cake work for everyone?
Cake means cake. Do you not listen?
Or to quote the ONS
Woah… hold on there! Do they play golf?
So long as it's bespoke and comes in red, white and blue I don't much care what the cake is made of. Like sausages and politics. And metaphors.
What is the word for launching into a negotiation starting with a position so far from what is realistic?
Govt policy.
ok that was two words.
I don't understand the constant complaining at 'we're not getting behind Brexit enough'.
Froth.
As if all the noise the Remainers are making is somehow stopping the Uk getting a 'good' deal.
As far as I can see we are being completely ignored and if we had any real influence we would be at least getting a second vote / heading to a 'Norway'. Or do some just not like hearing the unpleasant truth.
I understand it completely, it's a transparent attempt to shift the blame for this bit of a mess which is a rightwing Tory fantasy project from start to finish. After the failure of the brexiteers to follow through on the publication of their plan (widely trailed last week) it must be obvious even to them that they have nothing to offer, no ideas that pass the laugh test. Hence it has to be someone else's fault.
[ proponents of left wing fantasy projects can also be found ]
So long as it’s bespoke and comes in red, white and blue I don’t much care what the cake is made of. Like sausages and politics. And metaphors.
Red, white and blue like French or Dutch cake? I like cake, so I'm happy to accept cake of any nation if offered. I'll even trade for it.
Brexiters don't like cake, because it's an invasive Spanish delicacy that competes with scones for jobs and places a burden on the welfare system by being the primary causative factor for diabetes and fat ****s.
THM, I am getting really fed up with your constant lying. You said:
We voted to end membership of the EU and therefore membership of the single market.
Here are some quotations from prominent leavers, before the referendum - i.e. statements intended to convey to voters what would happen in the event of a leave vote.
Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market
Daniel Hannan MEP
Only a madman would actually leave the Market
Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer
And when you remember that Norway are in the Single Market but not the EU, it makes these quotes quite awkward reading.
Wouldn't it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They're rich. They're happy. They're self-governing
Nigel Farage, Ukip leader
The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people
Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive
Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK
Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder
So please, if you can't tell the truth, just shut the hell up.
Long time listener, first time caller
My money's on Shibboleth. What do other readers think?
The truth for the umpteenth time - as we were told pre vote (The key bit starts “However, the only...)
From the outset, it is important that the Government, Parliament and the public are clear about the distinction between ‘access to’ and ‘membership of’ the Single Market. Many countries have ‘access to’ the EU’s Single Market, either through agreed tariffs at the WTO or via a FTA. However, the only countries which have full membership of the Single Market—which entails the liberalised movement of goods, services, people and capital (the ‘Four Freedoms’), secured through common rules interpreted by the European Court of Justice (CJEU)— are EU Member States. The EEA states only enjoy partial membership, because the EEA agreement does not include a customs union. On the other hand, Turkey’s inclusion in a customs union with the EU does not entail the free movement of services, people or capital. Fundamentally, full membership of the Single Market is predicated upon acceptance of all Four Freedoms.
no need to apologise, it’s more fun to read the hypocrisy
And if you can find a single leave voter who understood that back in 2016 I'll give you a bespoke biscuit.
I posted the same text several times pre vote. If you or anyone else ignored it so be it. But we know where the lies are
I think that most voters probably heard more from Farage, Hannan and others than they did from you… …sorry to tell you that.
Now, when did the "people" of the UK vote to be outside the Single Market, selling into it, rather staying than inside it, keeping our place in the huge "home market" we currently take advantage of (albeit on the periphery, without the central role that a "full-member" has).
I’ll give you a bespoke biscuit
😂 just spat out my bespoke coffee
We voted to end membership of the EU and therefore membership of the single market.
and
The EEA states only enjoy partial membership
So EEA states are partial members of the single market, so ending EU membership does not imply we must end membership of the single market.
It's like saying that an off peak member of a golf club isn't a member of the cliub, I'm sure you know someone who can explain that to you.
Lies THM????
I seem to recall a few pages back that you were complaining about the huge lies told by the 'Remain Side'.
Now you quote information from that same 'Side' as gospel truth.
And they are 'Losers' anyway so who cares what they said......
No wonder people are confused
How about we forget the 'he said / she said......' from 2016 and look forward.
How is the bespoke FTA coming along for March 2019?
Right now the UK Government is telling us that it is 'Chequers' or 'No Deal'. Since we are not supposed to ask any questions for fear of offending 'the people' I assume that you are fully behind the 'Chequers' plan.
If not, please reconsider and unite behind (one section) of the UK position to help us ordinary mortals know what is best for us.
However, the only countries which have full membership of the Single Market—which entails the liberalised movement of goods, services, people and capital (the ‘Four Freedoms’), secured through common rules interpreted by the European Court of Justice (CJEU)— are EU Member States
Excellent. So you'll agree that membership of Schengen and the EEA won't be a problem for brexiteers.
Before Mrs Zip and I got our house together I had my own house.
I rented a room to a work mate. He then went on to buy my house when I was moving up to Mrs Zip.
I then rented a room in my old house while I worked my notice.
So THM ,even though I no longer owned the house I still stayed in the house and gained all the benefits such as heating and a bed.
So it’s possible to leave and still stay in the same place.
Just to remind folks.
Abstaining until the proper vote.
This CMD stuff is just a rather silly sideshow.
There is only one question or not – do you want to be part of a Europe that involves full monetary, fiscal and political union – Yes or No
To survive, this is where it needs to go unless the silly € project is abandoned – then you could simply go back to the very sensible four core pillars as originally intended.
THM stance pre-election
little - an odd rant. I was on remain side. Plus the quote is not from any side. It is from the HoL ctte. No need to apologise, good luck with the confusion.
enjoyed the “and look forward” joke BTW
Ransos - you can happily compare them with EEA to see why some have a problem with it. Schengen is not directly relevant here, but ditto if you spend a nano second thinking about the issue of the four freedoms.
The European Economic Area (EEA)
The EEA includes EU countries and also Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. It allows them to be part of the EU’s single market.
Switzerland is neither an EU nor EEA member but is part of the single market - this means Swiss nationals have the same rights to live and work in the UK as other EEA nationals.
So, prexisting situations where a country that is not an EU member (one isn't even an EEA member), but is part of the Single Market. Leave campaigners kept (and when talking about Ireland, still keep) talking about those countries as examples of how we can Leave the EU but still be part of the Single Market.
Plenty of polls showing that many people voted to Leave the EU, but wanted to stay part of the Single Market. Our politicians have ruled this out… not the voters, not the referendum, not the EU.
Still a less popular position than remaining a full member of the EU though, with all our bespoke opt outs.
Good reminder drac. As remainers we face many different potential forms that the EU may take. Hence the uprising of populism versus the EU elite.
I didn’t vote to remain on the basis of a reformed EU , or an EU with full fiscal union, of an EU with concentric rings. The EU has few plans and no agreement on many of this. Was that on the ballot paper? I simply voted to remain a member. Sadly my side did a bad job and lost.
Tant pis
Not members and with different levels of access and responsibilities. You can compare each with the LH declaration of the U.K. gov’s ambition
Meanwhile Barny our today with comments on realistic deal within 8 weeks, firm U.K. GDP etc.
here’s to looking forward 😉
I posted the same text several times pre vote.
Dont suppose you can provide links to that text. Since google cant find them and since that particular paragraph seems to be from a December 2016 report it seems a bit odd.
Done >10x already and people still choose to ingore it (see ^) so no point
but you have the correct doc date - 13 December 2016 publication, so lots of time to adjust. And it’s so simple
membership of v access to
note the importance the ctte place on this...
From the outset, it is important that the Government, Parliament and the public are clear about the distinction between ‘access to’ and ‘membership of’ the Single Market
Done >10x already and people still choose to ingore it (see ^) so no point
You claimed to have posted this pre-referendum. How when it wasnt released until after it?
"No point" appears to be THM-speak for "no I can't." I'm still waiting for this big list of Remain lies he was talking about a few pages back.
reality is a very flexible concept. 🙄
So, we can add this report to the "we've looked more closely at this, since the vote, what do you think?" pile, yes?
And where are we now, as to how the referendum informs us as to our path as regards continuing to being part of the Single Market? Why does it rule it out, even when voters were told it wouldn't by those campaigning for a Leave vote?
And, next, what about the Customs Union? All of Ireland, and exporters and importers in England, Wales & Scotland, would really like to know. If we "have" to be outside it, when will we be ready for that?
Good spot Diss ! My bad. It’s my standard text on trade options - have got too familiar with it!!
Facts don’t change but correct this specific para comes from a post vote Ctte report. Correct.
