Any one been following these?
It's OK Kelvin, the EU knows we will risk everything on hard brexit no deal to get the deal we want. No chance they have read up on all these rules. I mean the UK government doesn't seem to have bothered. I mean I'd have been making sure all the Hard Brexit fans had hard copies of the implications sent to them and anybody interviewing them with highlighted talking points in order to remind them of the implications of getting out of line.
But they won't accept the consequences. They'll just wave it away and deny the problem.
Well I bet if you tried you could make a few of them squirm a little more than they have been recently.
The EU is prepared to offer a post-Brexit deal with the U.K. that is unlike anything it has struck with any country outside the bloc, chief negotiator Michel Barnier said Wednesday, leading to a 0.8 percent jump in the value of sterling against the dollar.
Whats this all about then ?
Well first question is where did the quote come from?
The people talking down the UK's ability to get a good deal makes me want to defecate in disgust.
The negotiations are being purposely sabotaged by remainiacs who would rather see the UK starving than admit that brexit is actually in the national interest. Headline after headline, day after day of armageddon scenarios of no deal from project fear paid for by sweatshop owners and gangsters. And many on here have just been lapping it up and regurgitating it adding to the cycle of doom. You might think that your own pathetic words of doom have no impact on politicians hundreds of miles away but you would be wrong. We are all digitally connected and you are spreading fear and sabotaging your country. Its no surprise that Raab is bricking it, Barnier must be laughing his cock off.
No doubt a no deal situation would be tough, it would take time to resolve but the UK will still thrive without it and it won't be the end of the world, and some day soon the whole of the UK will be a lot better for it.
I still think a good deal is possible, there's too much at stake for the EU. If there is no deal Barnier will have failed which will have many consequences, not least making it less likely that he will get Drunckers job which he was after. No £40 billion pay off. The EU will lose tens of billions of trade (don't for one second think that people will still buy German cars at 10% more expensive, at anything like the numbers we used to). The EU countries are already facing an increased membership fee to make up the cost of the Uk contribution when it would clearly make more sense to reduce costs (our rebate was on borrowed time). A UK no deal would be another nail in the coffin for the doomed EU project. And resentment for the EU by the UK would be high meaning there is much more chance of the UK taking on a more aggressive tax regime which would undercut EU countries and the UK would be more likely to boycott EU products.
The Norway deal is exactly what we don't want. That is a shit deal if ever I saw one, they have most of the regulations but without a say. Norway is a small country with a small gdp not like ours. As an aside they voted twice to stay out and have ended up with a shit deal as a result of their politicians not respecting the referendum. Thats what you miserable lot are taking us towards.
The Canada style deal with services and no Irish border is the best possible option, the chequers deal should have been buried a long time ago. Fingers crossed that miserable witch May gets canned sooner rather than later and we can get someone that actually believes in Britain's future in charge.
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dickens earlier
That's beautiful. Haha!
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The German car industry...
BoardinBob +1 😂
DOD - don’t go posting anything positive now
see you at three zippy
‘‘Twas from dependant.
The people talking down the UK’s ability to get a good deal makes me want to defecate in disgust.
If we looked like we had anyone who knew what they were doing, I might have a bit more faith in the UK's ability.
The only way you can have a positive view of what's been going on (publicly) is to base your reaction on emotion. You don't like the EU so you automatically support those who are 'on your side' even if they look crap.
As for believing in Britain's future - I did, til you lot wrecked it!
Though Mr Barnier has repeatedly said the bloc is ready to offer its “most ambitious” free trade agreement ever to Britain, markets appeared to interpret his latest comments as suggesting he was close to a deal – causing sterling to jump up by 1 per cent.
“We are prepared to offer a partnership with Britain such as has never been with any other third country,” the negotiator told reporters following a meeting with the German foreign minister in Berlin.
But Theresa May’s unofficial Brexit minister David Lidington, who coordinates Cabinet activity around leaving the EU, said the UK would only accept the Chequers deal or a no-deal.
Ah it's OK to see the deal on the table and then tell them to f off we want our deal!!
DOD – don’t go posting anything positive now
It is positive, shame the UK side said we don't want that. Barnier just made it clear the EU has rules and lines and they will not cross them. They are in charge.
Has Turkey joined yet?
I’m guessing the Eurozone meltdown is scheduled for Monday now is it?
When will the German car industry save us…that’s long overdue.
You forgot conscripting our children into the EU army. I think that starts next Wednesday.
If we looked like we had anyone who knew what they were doing, I might have a bit more faith in the UK’s ability.
The only way you can have a positive view of what’s been going on (publicly) is to base your reaction on emotion. You don’t like the EU so you automatically support those who are ‘on your side’ even if they look crap.
molgrips - I admit they are crap, but imagine going in to a negotiation knowing that you HAVE to get a deal. And even worse those who you are negotiating with know you have to get a deal. Do you not see how that makes it nearly impossible to get a deal?
Raab and May are not on my side I can assure you of that. But they are the only ones in the negotiation, if we don't support them by giving them the option of a no deal scenario they are screwed. I think thats exactly what people on here want but the reality is theres no going back now. Theres no chance we will be going back in, no chance. Don't ask for a source there isn't one but it won't happen. So if we're not careful we'll end up with a Norway deal which is bad for everyone.
Oh and the UK's negotiating successes so far should give us an illustration as to how trade negotiations could go.
You forgot conscripting our children into the EU army. I think that starts next Wednesday.
onewheelgood - you are quite the comedian. Everyone knows that right now project fear 2 has the monopoly on ludicrous claims.
molgrips – I admit they are crap, but imagine going in to a negotiation knowing that you HAVE to get a deal. Do you not see how that makes it nearly impossible to get a deal?
So you missed all the pages were we pointed out that this would happen. Where this was entirely predictable and one of the reasons why leaving was such a stupid idea.
And many on here have just been lapping it up and regurgitating it adding to the cycle of doom. You might think that your own pathetic words of doom have no impact on politicians hundreds of miles away but you would be wrong. We are all digitally connected and you are spreading fear and sabotaging your country. Its no surprise that Raab is bricking it, Barnier must be laughing his cock off.
Wow. Thread on Singletrack forum directly responsible for U.K. government’s negotiation failure shocker.
Dawn arrests due in Todmorden tomorrow. 😲
I’m loving the panic in Dicken’s posts. The reality is setting in for the Brexiteers. There’s more fear and doom in his last couple of posts than any of the supposed remainder project fear propaganda
Well clearly dickens, since the EU know it's in THEIR interest that we get a deal, we will get one won't we? Won't we?
Thread on Singletrack forum directly responsible for U.K. government’s negotiation failure shocker.
I was was convinced he was an alias but now I reckon he’s just some random Russian type troll who scans the internet looking for outlets to troll
The negotiations are being purposely sabotaged by remainiacs who would rather see the UK starving than admit that brexit is actually in the national interest.
I may be a comedian but I'm not just batshit crazy.
We are all still waiting for a leaver to explain how brexit is good for Britain. So far, in 1237 pages of this thread, and in all the other coverage, no one has managed to do that. But apparently this is our fault for not believing hard enough. Dream on, Tinkerbell.
The people talking down the UK’s ability to get a good deal makes me want to defecate in disgust.
Crack on, then roll around in it coz “yer fu’ o’ shit” (to paraphrase a well versed local saying)
All in jest really as we all realise you are a piss-poor troll, or the equivalent of “that” guy at the end of the bar who gets shown the door
Well clearly dickens, since the EU know it’s in THEIR interest that we get a deal, we will get one won’t we? Won’t we?
slowoldman you are living up to your username here. Of course it is in there interest, but if they can get away with bleeding us dry why wouldn't they? They hung those poor buggers in Greece out to dry and I don't for a moment think they won't try it with us. A deal is not impossible but project fear 2 is sabotaging it. Do you deny that?
We are all still waiting for a leaver to explain how brexit is good for Britain
Yup, it can’t be that hard since apparently 17m voted for it, I’d have hoped for one or two things may have been raised.
Although this could be a bubble we are in,
As an aside a mate mentioned oranges apparently will be cheaper.
A deal is impossible but project fear 2 is sabotaging it. Do you deny that?
So is project fear 2 sabotaging us not getting a deal?
Most of us have said the deal any of the brexiters wanted was impossible. That isn't news to us
That Dickens post is genius!😂😂😂😂😂😂
A deal is impossible but project fear 2 is sabotaging it. Do you deny that?
Oooh catchy movie title and tagline.
The people talking down the UK’s ability to get a good deal makes me want to defecate in disgust.
The negotiations are being purposely sabotaged by remainiacs who would rather see the UK starving than admit that brexit is actually in the national interest.
You have got to be shitting me. "Troll" doesn't do it justice.
Crack on, then roll around in it coz “yer fu’ o’ shit” (to paraphrase a well versed local saying)
All in jest really as we all realise you are a piss-poor troll, or the equivalent of “that” guy at the end of the bar who gets shown the door
Well it won't be me that's rolling around in it because I paddle my own canoe and I've made sure my future is secure thanks.
That Dickens post is genius!
Why thank you *blush* (yes I know you were taking the piss).
So is project fear 2 sabotaging us not getting a deal?
Most of us have said the deal any of the brexiters wanted was impossible. That isn’t news to us
mikewsmith - I think you'll find most brexiteers want a good deal rather than no deal including me. But I would still rather have no deal than stay in.
mikewsmith – I think you’ll find most brexiteers want a good deal rather than no deal including me.
I know Unicorns and Fairies
But I would still rather have a no deal than stay in.
Given as we have told you how WTO makes that shit and all other things what does no deal mean?
Glad to sabotage that absolute car crash of a plan.
Well it won’t be me that’s rolling around in it because I paddle my own canoe and I’ve made sure my future is secure thanks.
Dual Citizen (not France is it?)? Big cash in the bank?
Any one been following these?
Yep, it’s interesting stuff getting a view from the coal face as opposed to the bollocks the politicians seem to like to trot out.
Told you already mikewsmith that I'm a landlord. If we stay in I'll win because in 20 years the country will have 75 million people and not nearly enough houses. Nope not dual citizen, I like it just fine here.
WTO will be a short term pain in the arse but a long term gain. The issues raised will get resolved, as the WTO Director General says its not the end of the world. I love african bananas anyway.
molgrips – I admit they are crap, but imagine going in to a negotiation knowing that you HAVE to get a deal. And even worse those who you are negotiating with know you have to get a deal. Do you not see how that makes it nearly impossible to get a deal?
Yep, which was one of the many things making remain a good idea.
I don't want to support the government for no deal. How could I? It'd be terrible. I want damage limitation. If that means Norway or Switzerland or a close deal then great. Losing a say will be shit but better that than nothing. Then hopefully people.will realise remaining is the better option, there'll be a second ref and we can dodge the bullet.
They hung those poor buggers in Greece out to dry and I don’t for a moment think they won’t try it with us.
I don't think this is the same situation. The EU wanted its banks to get their money back from Greece. But punishing us for the sake of it will be spite because they will suffer too. They do need to preserve their integrity though, they have absolutely no choice, so they cannot accept anything from us that dilutes that. How can they?
We've put both them and us in no-win situations. What the hell did you expect to happen? And all for pride and bullshit.
Told you already mikewsmith that I’m a landlord. If we stay in I’ll win because in 20 years the country will have 75 million people and not nearly enough houses. Nope not dual citizen, I like it just fine here.
Own all the houses outright? What interest rate can you tolerate? What unemployment rate can you suffer?
WTO will be a short term pain in the arse but a long term gain. The issues raised will get resolved, as the WTO Director General says its not the end of the world.
Wasn't that the PM?
What are the issues and how can we solve them? First up one tariff rate for all countries, next up that passporting one raised earlier.
Just checking what is short term?
Still - and always - IN.
It's clear that there are no 'men in long trousers' in the uk negotiating team and that includes politicos. Barnier & co are unfailingly polite but that's it - they're in control and they know it; they have no reason to change their negotiating stance and, watching the uk's increasingly incoherent approach, why would they?
Then we have May trundling around Africa, regurgitating the same old tired line about being free to make our own trade deals. The Chinese state controlled 'belt and road' initiative is already taking all of the best opportunities; they're backing up words with cold hard cash - and plenty of it. In Africa, money talks.
May & co - trucking useless.
but if they can get away with bleeding us dry why wouldn’t they?
They have said we can have a FTA better than Canada, the most open trade deal in history. And we can have a long transition period to enable as smooth as possible change over to it. But we can't except that, because we know it is still no where close to as good as operating inside the EEA, which we also can't except because our politicians have decided that is against the spirit of a vote we once had. So, both main parties want something that tries to cling onto as many of the benefits as possible of the Single Market, and Customs Union, while escaping from the responsibilities of them.
Dickens.
Whatever your motivations I now just feel sorry for you.
I am breaking (for one post) my self-imposed ban on posting on this thread to tell you that you ought to stop. If you’re trolling, you need to have a good long look at what it is you need from this. If not, you need to promise you’ll still be on here in a year or so’s time when your vision of red white and blue bunting over a street party of solely white faces and spitfires overhead is shown to be utter fantasy. You will have questions to answer.
If you are genuine you really need to look at where all your angst is really coming from. I would recommend riding a mountain bike for a bit of recreation.
I don’t want to support the government for no deal. How could I? It’d be terrible. I want damage limitation. If that means Norway or Switzerland or a close deal then great. Losing a say will be shit but better that than nothing. Then hopefully <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">people.will</span> realise remaining is the better option, there’ll be a second ref and we can dodge the bullet.
Exactly, you don't give a shit about democracy you are just willing your country to fail and hopefully be reunited with your beloved EU. Its not going to happen. The country is not pro eu now and never has been.
Exactly, you don’t give a shit about democracy
Given you can't be bothered to do the other questions.....
Choice was Leave or Stay - Norway & Switzerland are not in the EU so that is still leave. If you had wanted a specific outcome should have fought to have that on the ballot or campaign for a second referendum just to make sure.
The people talking down the UK’s ability to get a good deal makes me want to defecate in disgust.
Trouble is, when Maybot made her Brexit speech she started with "Deal or no deal the U.K. is leaving the EU", now imagine Dickens Mrs Dickens were to start divorce proceedings with that as an opening statement, sure you would say "Goodbye, don't slam the door on the way out"
The country is not pro eu now and never has been.
Looks more like conflicted but not massive either way. Maybe now the truth is getting out about how most of the stuff blamed on the EU was infact ineffective UK governments it will keep going.
