I just spoke to a mobile phone guy, I asked about making calls to Europe, he said fine at the moment but who know in the future. He then dropped in this little gem “ they will screw us I am sure”
We are the ones leaving for Gods sake. WTF is wrong with these people.
"They" being the mobile phone companies who loved screwing their customers for overseas use until the EU put a stop to it. It may be that they do not revert to the old ways. Three for example have "at home" rates for many countries beyond the EU.
I have read the Koran and its full of hate. By the way, don’t judge me unless you too have read the koran…
Now you're just being silly, no you haven't read the Koran/Qur'an. That's the sort of response i'd expect a child to blurt out.
I've not read it either yet i do have a few translations of the text but my Aunt (fathers sister) has made it her lifes work since finishing her Art degree and travelling to Afghanistan on her vespa in the late 1960's to study Islamic art (specifically Islamic calligraphy) and she has read it, she's also fluent in Arabic (including many of the dialectical differences) and she can hold her own with Persian and Hebrew.
If we're playing top trumps i've won (actually my aunt's won - i've done bugger-all apart from argue with a troll.....arse! - so that means you've prob won....Damn!!!)
Dickens – read the old testament ? Chunks are word for word the same as Koran, it’s also full of hart & look at the efforts the church has gone to to cover up systematic child abuse.
kimbers - yep read that too and its not much better. Assuming you're referring to the catholic church I completely agree. Its rotten to the core and has devastated lives. I just read that the pope has had a formal 11 page accusation against him for covering it up. Lets hope he gets hauled through the courts and put in prison if guilty.
Democracy – it didnt stop the day after the ref, especially relevant as polls show that the shambles of brexit have turned the people against it .
Polls are not a referendum and polls are notoriously inaccurate.
ECJ… Which international court will you sign up to ? Of course we’ll no longer have UK judges sitting on ECJ & still have to follow it’s rulings as our own high court judges have already said.
I dunno theres a few of them. The ECJ isn't the only supranational court in the world. I have admitted I know little about the subject of countries making court cases but there's no doubt in my mind that if we don't get a bean from galileo it will be an injustice.
The rest of your tarif ‘facts’ seem to be sourced from rees-mogg & the Sun, both of whom had to apologize <span class="skimlinks-unlinked"> https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/the-sun-made-honest-mistake-over-inaccurate-brexit-tariff-calculations-which-received-four-ipso-complaints</span>/
I have no idea why you've posted that article, I've never read it (nor would I waste my time reading the sun) and have never made any claims of specific amounts by which prices will drop. I did say prices will drop though and the corrected article goes on to say that so if you were just reinforcing my point then thanks.
Protectionism can be good, ask port talbot steel workers if they look forward to competing with Trump or Chinese steel imports without tarifs.
So kimbers - are you telling me that you support Trump in his steel tariffs?
Why do you insist in calling people thick or implying other people are?
mikewsmith - THM is absolutely right, I can think of at least one on here that described leave voters as "***wits" and I'm pretty sure I could find a whole load more if I could be bothered.
TBH, I just parsed it as “no you haven’t.”
No-one reads an entire religious book such as the Quran from cover to cover and then declares that they dislike that faith, not unless either a) they were forced to read it, b) they’re a theological scholar, or c) they’re some sort of masochist or sociopath. We can probably rule out a) as I’d guess that anyone who was forced to read it is unlikely to be in a position to be openly critical, and if b) were the case I’d have expected him to be able to spell it correctly.
Believe what you will. I started reading it years ago as I was interested to know what it was all about. Its a huge part of our culture now and also a huge part of the news. I would urge everyone to at least scan through it.
So cougar I'm a patronising oik, masochist and a sociopath... Pretty sure you called me a dick as well at some point. At least when I insult people I use my imagination (I'm particularly proud of likening woppits intelligence to that of the whitehead spot that was forming on my left buttock that day...).
Now you’re just being silly, no you haven’t read the Koran/Qur’an. That’s the sort of response i’d expect a child to blurt out.
I’ve not read it either yet i do have a few translations of the text but my Aunt (fathers sister) has made it her lifes work since finishing her Art degree and travelling to Afghanistan on her vespa in the late 1960’s to study Islamic art (specifically Islamic calligraphy) and she has read it, she’s also fluent in Arabic (including many of the dialectical differences) and she can hold her own with Persian and Hebrew.
If we’re playing top trumps i’ve won (actually my aunt’s won – i’ve done bugger-all apart from argue with a troll…..arse! – so that means you’ve prob won….Damn!!!)
How do you know I haven't read it? I would suggest reading it if you have it. No idea what your aunt has to do with it, I don't particularly think reading the koran is one of my lifes achievements personally so it would be a pretty boring game of top trumps..
So cougar I’m a patronising oik, masochist and a sociopath… Pretty sure you called me a dick as well at some point.
No that was myself, not Cougar.
Sorry Cougar, I apologise for disrespecting the forum rules.
The Mitty is strong in this thread today.
Protectionism can be good, ask port talbot steel workers if they look forward to competing with Trump or Chinese steel imports without tarifs.
So kimbers – are you telling me that you support Trump in his steel tariffs?
Hi Tariffs are ideotic and not thought through, his jobs saved in the steel industry is offset by the massive problems in any industry using steel. The EU hit back with much better targeted tariffs which has then hurt the US more. Tariffs can be used as a way towards a better global situation on trade or as a toy throwing exercise. There is a difference
So cougar I’m a patronising oik,
Perhaps "condescending" might've been more appropriate, in hindsight.
masochist and a sociopath…
I didn't say that, you've just chosen that option out of the four you had available. I was rather suggesting that I didn't believe you.
Pretty sure you called me a dick as well at some point.
I'm categorically certain that I haven't. In fact, I told someone else off for doing so a few pages back.
Hi Tariffs are ideotic and not thought through, his jobs saved in the steel industry is offset by the massive problems in any industry using steel. The EU hit back with much better targeted tariffs which has then hurt the US more.
The EU put around 73% tariffs on chinese steel at one point, is that idiotic too? Explain the difference please.
How do you know I haven’t read it? I would suggest reading it if you have it.
<insert image of Jimmy Hill>
I’m categorically certain that I haven’t. In fact, I told someone else off for doing so a few pages back.
I take it back it was somafunk.
The EU put around 73% tariffs on chinese steel at one point, is that idiotic too?
Do you rely on imported steel more than steel you are making?
Do you rely on imported steel more than steel you are making?
I don't follow you, you said Trumps tariffs were idiotic and I asked you if you thought the EU slapping 73% tariffs on steel imports from china was idiotic too?
If it counters the dumping of below cost steel then yes.
This is too funny, kimbers stating that protectionism is a good thing and we should be protecting port talbot workers:
Protectionism can be good, ask port talbot steel workers if they look forward to competing with Trump or Chinese steel imports without tarifs.
And yet he responds to the Trump thread denouncing Trumps steel tariffs:
Meanwhile trump’s steel tarifs have led to domestic prices rising by 40% & soybean prices crashing on fears of China retaliating.
https://www.ft.com/content/28c26592-74a5-11e8-aa31-31da4279a601
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<b>Production - </b>the EU is the second largest producer of steel in the world after China. Its output is over 177 million tonnes of steel a year, accounting for 11% of global output.
This means the EU wants to protect it's steel making and can service it's steel consumption a lot of the time.
The US has a tiny steel making industry and employs a fraction of those who currently need steel, the US steel makers can't fulfil the requirement for Steel in the US
https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/07/news/companies/trump-tariffs-steel-jobs/index.html
So analysis shows he is risking 100,000 - 150,000 jobs for a saving of about 5,000.
That is the situation, it has nothing to do with the tariff % but all to do with the situation it's being applied to.
The EU can put a lot on imported steel and still be competitive while preserving it's solid steel making capability.
Like many heavy and hot industries they don't cope well with stopping and starting so protection of these is a good thing - unless they have gone.
This is too funny, kimbers stating that protectionism is a good thing and we should be protecting port talbot workers:
I know I'm trying not to laugh at your inability to see a bigger picture or anything in context. This is probably why brexit sounds good to you, you can't see the consequences of an action.
This means the EU wants to protect it’s steel making and can service it’s steel consumption a lot of the time.
The US has a tiny steel making industry and employs a fraction of those who currently need steel, the US steel makers can’t fulfil the requirement for Steel in the US
https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/07/news/companies/trump-tariffs-steel-jobs/index.html
/a>So analysis shows he is risking 100,000 – 150,000 jobs for a saving of about 5,000.
That is the situation, it has nothing to do with the tariff % but all to do with the situation it’s being applied to.
The EU can put a lot on imported steel and still be competitive while preserving it’s solid steel making capability.
Like many heavy and hot industries they don’t cope well with stopping and starting so protection of these is a good thing – unless they have gone.
The EU can't produce enough steel either and has to buy it in, it can't rely on its own steel, just like America can't. According to the latest report by the European Steel Association, the EU’s steel imports from China dropped by 41 percent from January to November 2017 when the higher tariffs kicked in. However, the gap was immediately filled by other countries, with some even doubling their steel exports to the EU.
Yes but we can afford to be a bit protectionist to combat Chinese dumping steel on us (which is what the specific tariff did) without raising the cost of the the products they produce.
The US has a tiny steel making industry and a huge steel consuming industry who have just seen their costs rise making them noncompetitive.
Is that a bit too complicated?.
I get what you're saying but I think whether the US steel tariffs make sense for the US or not is irrelevant in the context of this conversation about EU protectionism. Both the EU and US are playing the same game so I think its hypocritical to take issue with one and not the other.
So the EU is protectionist - is that bad?
Would dickens like to see the Port Talbot steel workers looked after in the event of Brexit? If so, is this not protectionist too?
Both the EU and US are playing the same game so I think its hypocritical to take issue with one and not the other.
Yep your missing it....
The US (Donald Trump who had to use a National Security as an excuse to not ask Congress/Senate who would have overruled his as an idiot) tariff hurts the US more than it helps it which is why it's idiotic, it's then opened itself up to targeted measures from the EU and China which hurt them more.
That is not just protectionist but short sighted and bad for the US. That is the difference.
reading the Quran in translation is always tricky, Who's translation? Did you read the accompanying Hadith? (if not why not?) Given that it's a work that's supposed to be read aloud, what emphasis was placed on the spoken version of ancient Arabic over the written form? Many words of the Hebrew and Greek versions of Arabic translations are of themselves disputed (grapes and virgins for example...) And how "hateful" do you put it alongside the Torah and the Gospels on which it draws obvious comparison. What did you make of the fact that it talks more about Mary and mentions Jesus more than the NT does, do you think that's important?
Just saying "it's hateful" says more about your views on all the Semantic monotheistic religions doesn't it? After all, God is pretty much a total shit in the Gospels to just about everyone...
reading the Quran in translation is always tricky, Who’s translation? Did you read the accompanying Hadith? (if not why not?) Given that it’s a work that’s supposed to be read aloud, what emphasis was placed on the spoken version of ancient Arabic over the written form? Many words of the Hebrew and Greek versions of Arabic translations are of themselves disputed (grapes and virgins for example…) And how “hateful” do you put it alongside the Torah and the Gospels on which it draws obvious comparison. What did you make of the fact that it talks more about Mary and mentions Jesus more than the NT does, do you think that’s important?
Just saying “it’s hateful” says more about your views on all the Semantic monotheistic religions doesn’t it? After all, God is pretty much a total shit in the Gospels to just about everyone…
I don't know which translation it was, I got it on kindle if that helps! No I didn't read it aloud, yes it was obviously in english and no I didn't read the accompanying hadath and don't recall reading about it but don't doubt it exists. I'd read the Koran that was enough to satisfy the interest I had. I read it to understand the religion but I had, and have, no interest in becoming an academic scholar.
I don't make anything of the fact that it talks more about mary than the NT. What am I supposed to make of it? I doubt the bible speaks of true events anyway. Yes I agree to use your words: "God is pretty much a total shit in the Gospels to just about everyone…". Not sure if it was your intention but if you're trying to defend one book by saying its not as bad or comparable to another then that's not much of a defence to me.
I didn't say it was hateful, I said it was full of hate, a slight but important difference I feel.
I'm not willing to debate it on here, firstly because this is about Brexit and secondly I think its pointless debating with people about a book that they have not read (you seem to have knowledge so you have either read it or are pretending to have done). Lots of people will cast judgements without knowing what the hell they're talking about (much like brexit).
Take this distraction elsewhere, perhaps?
Agreed. Feel free to start another thread.
yeah, sorry.
I can't speak for Port Talbot, but did I read that the people of Grimsby have asked for special measures post-Brexit to allow them to continue to supply services to Europe, now they've realised Brexit'll kill their fish-tinning trade? They voted overwhelmingly to leave but appear to have realised they shot themselves in their collective foot.
Even sadder is what would happen if the French - la coeur d’europe - were asked the same question. No wonder they wouldn’t risk asking it.
You mean the French would vote leave?
Yes probably in the same context
sad isn’t it. La reve n’existe plus
Okay so it's not exactly China or the US but the first free trade deals are in:
Yes probably in the same context
So the question is, do you think the French govt should have a referendum?
What, and let the little people have a say? Etes-vous fou?
Have we just pledged 4bn quid in aid to maintain our current trade relationship with the South African Customs Union, plus Mozambique? This Brexit thing's going to be expensive - and to think she mocked Labour for their magic money tree.
Okay so it’s not exactly China or the US but the first free trade deals are in:
Great! That's opened up some new markets to British goods then? Oh, hang on...
Okay so it’s not exactly China or the US but the first free trade deals are in:
Not bad after 18 months. 😂
Have we just pledged 4bn quid in aid to maintain our current trade relationship with the South African Customs Union, plus Mozambique?
That seems to be the size of it. Plus an additional 4bn in "investments". Still, look on the bright side. We've made a deal. Yay. Go us.
As pondo points out Grimsby and many other ports want "free port" status"
Ths fishing community wants help and the Farmers are whining on about needing a "special" deal.
The only folk not whining about not needing a deal post brexit is us SMEs who voted to remain?
Sorry TMH Dickens etc what you mostly talk is the same "accept it thats democracy" argument "will of the people" position.
Thing is the people who voted for Brexit actually dont like the outcomes hence the above whining.
Thats not what we voted for they shout! Well yes it is and if that makes you thick (uninformed, poorly educated, misled - replace thick with any/all) thats not my fault its yours.
But our prime minister has said 'it's not the end of the world' so that's ok then.
So the question is, do you think the French govt should have a referendum?
You're supposed to ask the question to which the answer is “Macron”. I did wonder where I’d heard the words “in the same context” previously.
Original thought is hard to come by these days.
Today Swaziland, tomorrow - the world!!!! Come into the light!!!
So our trade deal approach is to write out mucho big cheques? £1 from our tax take and £1 from the private sector....
Gonna be a doddle closing those deals....
