[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

You lot are so uncreative you think that it will be the end of the world if there is no EU ...

So who, exactly, is going to negotiate the hundreds of trade agreements that will be needed if we leave the EU?

what do you think Tories mean when they say cutting red tape?

86% of our economic activity does not relate to the EU so uneccessary regulation would seem to offer plenty of opportunity.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03yjd1w

More or less covered the red tape/regulation argument
To agree with the pro brexiter on there at circa 6 minutes the red tape/regulation argument is "bollocks"

So who, exactly, is going to negotiate the hundreds of trade agreements that will be needed if we leave the EU?

slowoldman - Member

You lot are so uncreative you think that it will be the end of the world if there is no EU ...

OK genius. Offer something new.

Vote OUT. Simple. 😆

That's new since you have NOT really experienced something different which I bet since WWII. innit!

slowoldman - Member

Just had that Leave leaflet through the letterbox. A bit of manipulation of the size of Britain on that map - just to show what a powerful nation we are!

I have 3 or 4 leaflet telling me to vote in but just one to Vote OUT.

I mean why is Lib Dem telling me to vote in I do not know ... are they trying to say they are a force? 😯

You haven't answered my question.

mikey74 - Member

You lot are so uncreative you think that it will be the end of the world if there is no EU ...

So who, exactly, is going to negotiate the hundreds of trade agreements that will be needed if we leave the EU?

mikey74 - Member
You haven't answered my question.

The trade agreements are none of your concerned I am afraid coz you are just an ordinary mortal with one vote like me.

Sleep well and let the people in charge of trade agreements deal with them.

You Are Not Paid that much to think.

Just like me You Are Not important! 😆

p/s: why are you still listening to death metal like my young cousin ... think he is same age as you ... he is a death metal drummer.

Drac....WTF? Closing a perfectly good thread that had not descended into the normal mess? Not good use of thread closure.

@ Chew: You really do live in cloud cuckoo land, don't you.

Oh, and what I do with my spare time is none of your business.

Vote OUT. Simple.

As slowoldman says: Being out of the EU is old news, and Britain wasn't exactly a nirvana when it was.

mikey74 - Member
You really do live in cloud cuckoo land, don't you.

Oh, and what I do with my spare time is none of your business.

Sorry dude ...

Chill man, chill ... relax.

It's just trade agreements ...

slowoldman - Member

Vote OUT. Simple.

But that's not new. It's just back to where we were pre-EEC. You probably don't remember.

mikey74 - Member
As slowoldman says: Being out of the EU is old news, and Britain wasn't exactly a nirvana when it was.

[quote=CHB ]Drac....WTF? Closing a perfectly good thread that had not descended into the normal mess? Not good use of thread closure.

+1

Ya, since 1953 we only got to know this thing called EU so the cycle is now to start something new rather than stuck in time with concept from 1953, Yes?

slowoldman - Member

Ya, since 1953 we only got to know this thing called EU so the cycle is now to start something new rather than stuck in time with concept from 1953, Yes?

Britain joined the EEC in 1973.

Looking at the infection rate ... I think it's time to move on.

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Drac....WTF? Closing a perfectly good thread that had not descended into the normal mess? Not good use of thread closure.

It soon would though all the other EU threads started out well. We only have so much time to read the forum, keeping the EU discussion in here helps make things easier.

I we vote out of Europe, does that mean whatever their results England, Wales and northern Ireland are on the next planes home?
😉

Behaving like an EU bureaucrat.
A whiff of power...

Drac - Moderator

Drac....WTF? Closing a perfectly good thread that had not descended into the normal mess? Not good use of thread closure.

It soon would though all the other EU threads started out well. We only have so much time to read the forum, keeping the EU discussion in here helps make things easier.

Anyway to answer the other thread on EU ...

Amongst my colleagues I am the only one that Vote OUT. 😆

Everyone I know told me they vote in ... errmmm ... either that or they lied straight to my face coz I ain't looking European you know. 😆

suburbanreuben - Member

Behaving like an EU bureaucrat.
A whiff of power...

Oooooo! (Kenneth Williams expression)

I can see entirely why you've closed the other thread Drac, but this thread is completely toxic and useless now. I was thinking about cross-posting something I wrote on here this evening, what I think is a reasoned statement on how the vote is going to affect me personally next week, but what's the point? It'll just be drowned in a load of ongoing point scoring, irrelevant gifs, pedantic micro-corrections, whataboutery and straight-up insults (and gibberings from complete ****ing lunatics, naming no names). 😐

Dunno what you do about that though, glad I'm not a mod.

Post it minty

mintimperial - Member
... I was thinking about cross-posting something I wrote on here this evening, what I think is a reasoned statement on how the vote is going to affect me personally next week, but what's the point? ...

Don't stress yourself up for this dude ... just chill dude, chill ... relax.

Whatever you want to say has already been said in many different ways and all boil down to all sticking two fingers up to each others ... 😆

However, for a bit of fun I think[b] you should still voice your opinion[/b] whatever they are In or Out, then sit and wait for response to be entertained. 😀 I will entertain you ...

Don't stress yourself up for this dude ... just chill dude, chill ... relax.

I'm totally entitled to be stressed about this. My little company, which I have spent 15 years building up, my entire adult employed career, is almost certainly finished if we vote to leave. I am out of a job if we vote Brexit. Done. Finito. End of.

It is not about "sticking two fingers up to each others" for me, it's not just some abstract political spat when I look at it. It is about me not having a job anymore. Everyone who votes out next Thursday is voting to put the father of a seven year old kid, and the husband of a woman who is too ill to work, out of employment. And there are thousands of others like me, who to a greater or lesser extent are going to pay the price of a leave vote directly and personally.

This isn't just "a bit of fun", this has real consequences for real people, and if you can't see that and treat the matter with the respect it deserves you should leave the debate.

Drac: We have a perfectly good report post system for any posts that offend. I really don't see the role of Mods as determining what threads are superfluous or too similar to existing threads. If we go down that route then we will have one thread for 29ers, one thread for hating certain online etailers and one for Jamalaya etc to rant on. Not normally one to criticise mods as I know it's a thankless task (an I won't post more after this), but I do think that STW "report" system is the best for weeding out threads that need deleting, not the personal preferences of mods.

EDIT: just (belatedly!) noticed the other thread reopened. Thanks for doing this. As said, I don't envy the job of mod, but hope my challenge was taken in good spirit 🙂

Post it minty

Ok, [url= http://www.mintimperial.com/?p=1053 ]here goes nothing[/url]. Please, anyone, don't try to refute my assessment of the future of my business, it really is that bad - I may not be an economic expert but I have access to the opinions of some in my industry and they don't make for good reading.

In fact, I apologise in advance if I don't respond to any arguments against my points. I find this whole thing almost too much to deal with to be honest, so I'm going back to my corner to rock and cry and drink wine. Night.

..and someone else with or without kids may get a job they otherwise wouldnt should we vote out, so I'm not sure your circumstances have much relavance to anyone but you.

That doesnt mean I'm voting out btw just that your argument isnt logical.

mintimperial - Member
This isn't just "a bit of fun", this has real consequences for real people, and if you can't see that and treat the matter with the respect it deserves you should leave the debate.

If I say I earn less than you, very few earn less than me, only manage to scrap a living with no job security on zero hour contract would that make you feel better? My pension is practically nil coz I just started last few years. I am not young by the way.

Oh ya ... I have parents to feed as well and by the way where they are they do not have a welfare system.

You have stressed you say? At one point I had to work 3 jobs just to cover my living here with no guarantee and if I don't work I get thrown out to the street ...

Have you ever been stressed to the point where your entire back (spine) almost feel like you are shouldering one Double-decker bus even when carrying 1 bag of sugar? Yet, still have to go to work (walked very slowly with each step my spine hurt I kid you not) and smile to people?

edit: oh ya ... my colleagues also told me our company is working towards getting rid of all zero hour contracts which will affect me instantly ... as one of my colleague said to me "The writing is on the wall and it comes from the source" ...

Have we done Jonathan Pie yet?
Political bit starts around 5 mins - he pretty much reflects my feelings on it all

Paddy Power odds suggest 70% probability of us remaining in the EU.

I am an immigrant and I vote out ..This is not the Great Britain I used to read about in books when I was a kid. Whatever happened to the innovators the explorers? .... ok not relevant to the discussion above, just sayin ese 😉

wolfenstein - Member

I am an immigrant and I vote out ..This is not the Great Britain I used to read about in books when I was a kid. Whatever happened to the innovators the explorers? .... ok not relevant to the discussion above, just sayin ese

My thought of GB before I came here was people with the manner of Lib Dem ... 😆

wilburt - Member
Paddy Power odds suggest 70% probability of us remaining in the EU.

I am an immigrant and I vote out ..This is not the Great Britain I used to read about in books when I was a kid. Whatever happened to the innovators the explorers? .... ok not relevant to the discussion above, just sayin ese

Are you kidding? How much expertise do we have in the space industry, the motorsport industry (where are the majority of F1 teams based?), what about Framestore, the innovators of computer graphics for film and television, the role of British Universities in leading scientific research and exploration, motor industry parts, explorers like Dame Ellen MacArthur, Randolph Fiennes, Tim Peake etc etc etc

mikey74 - Member
Are you kidding? How much expertise do we have in the space industry, the motorsport industry (where are the majority of F1 teams based?), what about Framestore, the innovators of computer graphics for film and television, the role of British Universities in leading scientific research and exploration, motor industry parts, explorers like Dame Ellen MacArthur, Randolph Fiennes, Tim Peake etc etc etc

Do they all generate independent income or do they have to depend or rely on subsidies from larger system?

Do they all generate independent income or do they have to depend or rely on subsidies from larger system?

That's not what was asked. What I will say is a lot of our innovative industries rely on close ties to Europe, particularly science.

I was just sent this link -

Really interesting explanation of some of the issues around EU membership and specifically leaving (Chewkw - a word of warning it is pro-EU with facts and everything so you probably won't like it much...)

That's already been shared here, but it's always worth repeating.

Balls - sorry all! Thanks mikey74!

AD - Member

I was just sent this link -

Really interesting explanation of some of the issues around EU membership and specifically leaving (Chewkw - a word of warning it is pro-EU with facts and everything so you probably won't like it much...)

No worry it's from higher education establishment so naturally biased towards Pro-EU. They all rely heavily on EU subsidies for funding whatever that is ...

Nahhh ... all rules are man made so man can change them again. No biggie.

mikey74 - Member
That's not what was asked. What I will say is a lot of our innovative industries rely on close ties to Europe, particularly science.

Interesting view that so does that mean BritLand is not innovative without EU?

Please, don't apologise: The more people that see it, the better.

..and someone else with or without kids may get a job they otherwise wouldnt should we vote out, so I'm not sure your circumstances have much relavance to anyone but you.

That doesnt mean I'm voting out btw just that your argument isnt logical.

It's perfectly logical and rational to want to defend your own livelihood, that's all I'm doing here.

And saying that someone else "may get a job" isn't the greatest argument for putting someone else who already has one out of it, really, is it? Come on.

If I say I earn less than you, very few earn less than me, only manage to scrap a living with no job security on zero hour contract would that make you feel better?

Of course it doesn't make me feel better. But you're saying that because you're poor, I'm not allowed to want to keep my job? Nice. Thanks.

And how would brexit make him richer?

mintimperial - Member
Of course it doesn't make me feel better. But you're saying that because you're poor, I'm not allowed to want to keep my job? Nice one.

I am saying that good or bad we are in the same boat so does not make you more important than me.

You have your family I have mine.

Just like my colleague used to say to me ... "Nobody force you to do that job because you have chosen that yourself so deal with it" and he was referring to me on zero hour contract without ways of getting out.

If we are rational we say we should plan now rather than when we are sinking is it not? So why aren't we planning in advance? (he was also referring that to me ...)

Lifer - Member
And how would brexit make him richer?

And how would brexit make him richer?

And here lies the crux of the whole debate: Brexiters seem to think that leaving the EU will automatically make them better off: Well, they are in for a big surprise when things get even tougher.

Nothing that is wrong with this country will be fixed by leaving the EU. What is wrong with this Country can only be fixed by ourselves and our elected government by enforcing changes to our own system. However, it's much easier to blame the EU for all our faults.

I understand your concerns minty, I have work dependent on the result too. But don't worry, there are enough rational people who will vote, This is max "noise" time. We will get the correct result next week. Have faith,

chewkw - Member

"Lifer - Member
And how would brexit make him richer?"

Work or try harder?

Why do you need Brexit for that?

mikey74 - Member
And here lies the crux of the whole debate: Brexiters seem to think that leaving the EU will automatically make them better off: Well, they are in for a big surprise when things get even tougher.

A period of adjustment is normal. Just like in all businesses there are some that will fail but there are also some that will become successful to replace them.

Nothing that is wrong with this country will be fixed by leaving the EU. What is wrong with this Country can only be fixed by ourselves and our elected government by enforcing changes to our own system. However, it's much easier to blame the EU for all our faults.

Lifer - Member

chewkw - Member
Work or try harder?

Why do you need Brexit for that?