Not snappy enough to put on the side of the bus
I know, I have never been one for catchy slogans - I missed any hint of a creative gene.
Sure, life will go on. It’s just that it will be a diminished and poorer life for a large majority of people, all for no valid reason. Similarly, the govt could decide to invest billions in digging a huge hole, and then more billions in filling it in. We would survive that too, but few would recommend it as a policy decision.
That’s the long and short of it.
IF a hard Brexit made all the gammons actually stop and go “well that was a shit idea, but at least I’ve learned my lesson”, it might be a microscopic ‘benefit’ from the whole fiasco.
But they won’t. Nothing short of a return to Empire will do that. Unattainable, unrealistic and deluded, and they’re going to screw the rest of us over, then blame us for not ‘getting behind Brexit’. ****s.
We’re all effectively being held hostage by absolute nut-jobs who reject any ‘experts’ evidence or reality, in favour of totally unrealistic, xenophobic flag-waving horse-shit
Isn’t democracy brilliant
Isn’t democracy brilliant
Yes. If the people are worthy of it. The ‘Great’ British public? I have my doubts.
Just been reading that the legislation for the referendum stated that the result couldnt be over turned if cheating was involved. If that's true then it goes to show how much influence was put on it at that stage.
But the result wasn't binding anyway, it's the government's choice.
I feel sure that in the economic carnage of a no deal Brexit at least one of the leading Brexiteers will suggest invading France
I think Lord Howard already suggested going to war with Spain over Gibraltar
war with Spain over Gibraltar
Got to keep their tax havens open and under control...
some of the statements are pretty laughable in their expectations of the two factions with polar opposite viewpoints coming to an agreement especially with the split being almost even... there is no halfway house that satisfies anyone...
Belfastflyer - here’s the referendum act, make your own mind up. But as I read it it didn’t say anything about cheating, neither that it would / could be overturned or that it wouldn’t / couldn’t.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/36/contents
*taps mic
Well, they’ve had the decision taken away from them now haven’t they? After years of not listening, the government will now have no choice but to invest in these areas, otherwise we’re all screwed. Ultimately this vindicates those in these areas voting for brexit, doesn’t it?
Skillful.
Well, they’ve had the decision taken away from them now haven’t they?
An advisory referendum has created a political existential crisis. I agree with you. yes it has.
After years of not listening, the government will now have no choice but to invest in these areas, otherwise we’re all screwed.
Yes! I've said this for a while. We do, we need to invest money to mitigate the economic. and social upheaval seen in post 1970s Britain. Agreed 100%.
But this is state aid, is it not?
After years of not listening, the government will now have no choice but to invest in these areas, otherwise we’re all screwed
No, not really. The people in those areas are indeed royally screwed, but I don’t see how a continued lack of investment screws everyone else.
By and large it’s those areas that voted for Brexit that will be the most affected. After more than two years of this shit I’ve finally lost my patience with the mess.
**** them.
They want Brexit, they can have it. On a plate. Chlorinated. And at twice the price on half their current wages.
Yes... the Tory government are suddenly going to develop a social conscience and invest tens of billions into the north of England, the South West (other than buying their holiday homes in Cornwall) and the Welsh valleys
Meanwhile, back in the real world.....
Turkeys..... Christmas
Let us not forget that membership of the far right, eurosceptic party UKIP has ballooned by an astonishing 15% since the announcement of May's plan for Brexit. That must represent a tidal change of voting intention, no?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/02/ukip-membership-surges-15-per-cent-in-a-month
I don't know about you, but I reckon that this represents a sea change in the far right movement.
But I still see no plan as to how we'll address the grievances of traditional white working class communities from Tyneside to Thanet.
But I still see no plan as to how we’ll address the grievances of traditional white working class communities from Tyneside to Thanet.
Who’s “we”?
Who’s “we”?
Dont worry jrm boris and Farage are on the case... no one in the north need worry... well except maybe about rsi from all the cap doffing
address the grievances of traditional white working class communities from Tyneside to Thanet.
address the grievances of traditional racists from Tyneside to Thanet.
I believe that the "working class" also consists of people who are not "white", no?
They want Brexit, they can have it. On a plate. Chlorinated. And at twice the price on half their current wages.
The fact that they don't fully understand politics, economics and what would actually be best for them is not really their fault. They have been failed by education, failed by biased media, failed by an older generation who had same problems etc,.
They simply don't know what is best for them and end up voting UKIP or Tory. A left wing government is always going to be a better option for poorer people due to the priorities that government places. Need a bit of left wing populism to get them to get behind a government that would actually give them a chance
That must represent a tidal change of voting intention, no?
Not really. It isnt, in overall numbers, a major change and registered members of a party doesnt necessarily correspond to the numbers actually voting for it.
But I still see no plan as to how we’ll address the grievances of traditional white working class communities from Tyneside to Thanet.
I am sure the city and investment elites like Farage, Johnson and Rees-Mogg will be deeply concerned about them and be working hard on a way that they can invest efficiently overseas.
With so many people here possessing superior intellect and economical expertise - it really is surprising that none have actually gone to the top of their profession.
maybe it’s a case of the cream always goes to the top & water always finding its own level.
it really is ironic to read people on here crying that nobody is listening to the experts anymore😂
I read that and thought about it and arrived at the conclusion that you're a bit dim.
No offense.
Meanwhile...
I saw a Conservative MP Brexiter on telly, saying that Mark Carney, who he described as the "Bank Manager" of the Bank of England, should "go back to Canada"...
Are these people actually insane?
Yes
in truth they want everyone who can't trace their ancestors back to pre norman conquest to go "home".
in other new seems like macron said "non" to maybot (as reported in the daily fail 😉 )
trace their ancestors back to pre norman conquest to go “home”.
Phew! That means I'm OK then.
Oh wait. I left already... 😃
indivisibility of 4 freedoms
I guess those freedoms have become indivisible since 2014. (When Romania and Bulgaria got free movement after joining the EU in 2007.)
Just like to mention that, as an immigrant, my experience of the Spanish is that they are friendly, open and helpful, despite the fact that I'm a foreigner who can't speak their language beyond a mere smattering and uses Google Translate on the mobile for more complicated interactions.
Surprisingly, many Spanish people, even here in one of the poorer areas (Alpujarras) speak passable English (embarrassingly).
The Brexiters really are peculiar, aren't they?
🤔
With so many people here possessing superior intellect and economical expertise – it really is surprising that none have actually gone to the top of their profession.
Not superior intellect and economical expertise but at least an understanding and an awareness of the whats and whys of what governments are doing and the impact. i.e when someone blames immigrants for all the issues that can quickly be dismissed as rubbish rather than just believed because you don't know anything about it.
As for level in my profession, how do you know how high I have gone...
I’m certainly not possessed of any superior intellect, but I’m just about bright enough to question what some entitled, duplicitous shyster has written down the side of a bus
I guess those freedoms have become indivisible since 2014. (When Romania and Bulgaria got free movement after joining the EU in 2007.)
When new countries join the EU, there is a initial period where other member states can restrict movement of workers. What's your point? That as we transition out of the EU, other member states should be allowed to keep our workers out?
With so many people here possessing superior intellect and economical expertise – it really is surprising that none have actually gone to the top of their profession.
Which professional organisations, or unions, which I'd suggest have key influencers that are at the top of their professions, have said that leaving the EU will be either desirable or easy?
Wopster- I saw that interview with the Tory MP (Peter Bone?).
It was Brexit in a nutshell. Carney calmly offered a thoughtful, considered, planned narrative based on evidence. In response, Bone then delivered a load of angry, ill-informed reactionary bilge, based on... well... who knows? The voices in his head? What he’d just read in the Daily Mail?
The ‘go back to Canada’ line told you everything you need to know
The fact that they don’t fully understand politics, economics and what would actually be best for them is not really their fault.
Sorry, **** them.
They could have gone “I don’t really understand what all this is about, so I’ll do some reading and research”.
But they didn’t, they basically went: “the intelligent people want this, so we’ll do that instead. Rule Britannia, **** the foreigners coming here taking our jobs, **** the EU, and most of all **** David Cameron”.
And despite the mountains of evidence rapidly appearing that make it pretty clear the world doesn’t work the way their pea-brained heads think it does, they just dig in.
So like i said. **** them.
Sorry, * them.
No, * you.
The voters were lied to, and now they want a different course to be set… but the politicians and papers which lied to them won't let them reconsider.
Hello binners.
I think it's safe to assume that Carney doesn't particularly want to go back to Canada.
Given that, it's odd that an English MP is urging him so to do, perhaps bizarrely thinking that his patronising and ill-thought-out demand would have some effect.
His belittling of Carneys' office of Governor (whatever one thinks of the establishment) is just ignorant and disrespectful of a man in a position of huge influence within a system of which the MP himself is part. I would assume that this patriot wouldn't refer to the monarch as "The German Woman"?
There is a connection between Brexiters and Trump fanatics.
Brexiters refuse to accept that the UK is heading for a catastrophe despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Trumpists believe his claims of 'fake news' rather than that from perfectly respectable sources.
I was just wondering if what we are seeing is evolution in action
Is it possible that a gene is being spread in the human gene pool, the practical upshot of it's presence in the organism being that said carrier is unable, through the presence of the gene rather than low IQ, to distinguish evidence and fact from obvious bullshit?
For instance - admirers of Gwynnie Paltrow believe, because they've read it in 'Gloop', that steam-cleaning one's vagina and then inserting lumps of jade into it will result in better health, rather than the medical problems which scientific evidence shows, will result. They have assumed she knows what she's talking about because - well, she's famous.
Interestingly, Paltrow herself dismisses evidence-based critical thinking as 'old school thinking'...
Many people misunderstand evolution, thinking that it means 'improvement".
What it means, of course, is change. Not neccessarily for the better
Loved your 'side of a bus' comment BTW. I'll keep it stored to use myself elsewhere, if you don't mind.
Pip, pip.
The voters were lied to, and now they want a different course to be set…
Are you sure of that?
The voters were lied to, and now they want a different course to be set… but the politicians and papers which lied to them won’t let them reconsider.
My in-law-ish relatives in the NE voted "out" because they are racists and don't want foreigners. The only foreigner they have met is MrsJ, and "we don't mean foreigners like you" etc., but the fact is that their vote has helped contribute to a situation where a) they are economically screwed, and b) MrsJ may have to leave the country.
So yeah - *** em
admirers of Gwynnie Paltrow believe [...]
For the record, I don't 🙂
They could have gone “I don’t really understand what all this is about, so I’ll do some reading and research”.
And what would lead them to do that - education, inquisitive nature, some intelligence etc,. I take it you haven't met many average people that are being born in this country...
I was just wondering if what we are seeing is evolution in action
Nope, we are seeing populists take advantage of people unable to think about things.
And what would lead them to do that – education, inquisitive nature, some intelligence etc,.
A spot of self-awareness and some critical thinking. But as they can’t be arsed, **** them. My empathy is at an end.
Is it possible that a gene is being spread in the human gene pool, the practical upshot of it’s presence in the organism being that said carrier is unable, through the presence of the gene rather than low IQ, to distinguish evidence and fact from obvious bullshit?
Not a chance. The tendency to be in denial has always been there. For all of us.
Had a dig at Ninfan a few pages back over wealth takers and wealth makers...
A wealth taker is an individual or organisation that removes wealth (assets money etc) from individuals
A weath maker is an individual or organisation that provides wealth (jobs opportubity) to individuals
Wealth takers seem on the whole to have voted for brexit, examples would include the Rees Moggs of the world and at the other end working and/unemployed also pensioners.
Wealth makers are people who in many cases run SME type businesses and right up to large employer's they seem to have voted/want remain.
The irony is its the wealth makers who are supposed to make brexit work? And the wealth takers just want to take more...
In summary damned if you do dammed if you dont.
A spot of self-awareness and some critical thinking. But as they can’t be arsed, **** them. My empathy is at an end.
And how do they get self-awareness and critical thinking? Don't think it is a case of being arsed or not.
Sounds like your empathy wasn't very long if already at it's end. Making society better doesn't really include **** em
