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May has 'split her cabinet' to find a solution to the customs arrangements.

I think you'll find they're already split dear.


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 7:52 am
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Ooh it's just like The Apprentice. Next week BoJo can head the Remain  team.


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 9:57 am
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"May has ‘split her cabinet’ to find a solution to the customs arrangements."

Even leaving aside the brilliant choice of words, it's just become an office teambuilding exercise hasn't it? We'll split into two and whoever can build the best spaghetti bridge wins. Except that the hard brexiteers insist spaghetti is an EU conspiracy and build their bridge entirely out of blutac then declare themselves the winners because it doesn't collapse as fast as you'd expect


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 3:01 pm
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It is awesome in its patheticness. Kicking the can down the road by a full 4 days - I wonder if it's just so that she could say "see you next Tuesday" to her cabinet colleagues?


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 3:09 pm
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We’ll split into two and whoever can build the best spaghetti bridge wins. Except that the hard brexiteers insist spaghetti is an EU conspiracy and build their bridge entirely out of blutac then declare themselves the winners because it doesn’t collapse as fast as you’d expect

Perfect.


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 3:14 pm
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amazing, nearly 2 years in and the government are still no nearer deciding what kind of brexit we are going to get.


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 3:42 pm
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Best of all, they are arguing over two non-functional alternatives that have already been rejected by the EU.


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 3:46 pm
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Has one half of the cabinet being sent of to discuss the 'Fairies and Unicorns' option, while the other half look at the finer details of the'Uber-wizzy Internettty Super-Duper, Space Age, Mega-High-Technology yet-to-be-invented' variation?


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 3:47 pm
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Klunk wrote,

"amazing, nearly 2 years in and the government are still no nearer deciding what kind of brexit we are going to get."

But when they do decide, it'll be The Will Of The People and everyone will have known that was what they were voting for


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 3:56 pm
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"Best of all, they are arguing over two non-functional alternatives that have already been rejected by the EU."

I'd like to think it's a delaying tactic to bring things to a real crunch..

Option 1 being hard brexit /economic suicide for decades to come.

Option 2 being a retraction /let's call the whole thing off.

Bit of a gamble seeing as corbyn has again said he'll whip abstention from his MPs, quel surprise.

The man is an utter disgrace, he's supposed to be leader of the opposition yet he repeatedly is towing the tory line by having Labour abstain from critical votes. He'll have to come down from sitting on the fence at some point, hopefully he'll land in a very thorny Bush.


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 4:00 pm
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But when they do decide, it’ll be The Will Of The People and everyone will have known that was what they were voting for

I think at least 48% knew exactly what they were voting for, so let's do that.


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 4:02 pm
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The man is an utter disgrace, he’s supposed to be leader of the opposition yet he repeatedly is towing the tory line by having Labour abstain from critical votes.

Hang on a minute.  Being in opposition doesn't mean automatically disagreeing with the government on every issue.  It's not a Monty Python sketch.

He isn't pro-EU and never was, so you could hardly expect him to take a hardline remain position now could you?


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 4:16 pm
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Most of the rabid leavers have at some point been pro Customs Union

Who has made them change their collective minds?


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 4:51 pm
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"He isn’t pro-EU and never was, so you could hardly expect him to take a hardline remain position now could you?"

I see your point, but he could allow his MPs to vote on critical issues, that's how Parliament is supposed to work, if a fair amount of whipped Labour MPs are too scared vote, then it's going to squew the result. It's not really democratic or representative.

He sounds more and more dictatorial rather than socialist, as time goes by. There's a certain irony there.

For the many, not the few, but only if I agree with it.


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 4:58 pm
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that’s how Parliament is supposed to work

Hah.  Parties and whips are a bit of a problem when it comes to representative democracy aren't they?


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 5:00 pm
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Hang on a minute.  Being in opposition doesn’t mean automatically disagreeing with the government on every issue

Exactly.  Politics would be a lot better if MPs could  openly say they agree with other parties policies.  I have even been know to agree with some Tory policies (not many admittedly) but when I do I am happy to say so.


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 5:16 pm
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I’ve never knowingly agreed with a Tory policy. Well.... certainly nothing this inept self-serving shower have come out with (I see today they’ve found a shed-load of cash to throw at grammar schools, while starving the rest of the education system of funds)

Unfortunately,  I’m one of the 48% of the population who’s views, on probably the most important political process in my lifetime, aren’t represented by the main opposition party either

Both the main parties will be rightly damned for generations as this shitstorm unfolds!


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 5:43 pm
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Top chops to dominic grieve.

Johnson has to be the most shameless politician since Blair (&  I think Blair believed he was doing the right thing in his egomaniacal way, johnson just wants power)


 
Posted : 11/05/2018 9:26 pm
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I actually seriously think Boris Johnson is mentally ill!

I used to think he was just a shameless opportunist, and he is,  but now I think the main problem is that he’s a dangerous fantasist.

In his befuddled, ego-ravaged, vainglorious head, I think he seriously believes that he’s Winston Churchill, and Brexit is his WW2. That he’s fulfilling his destiny leading a grateful nation out of the EU and on to the glorious second empire, and that he will be judged by history, and lionised, as this great leader

Now if only Theresa would step aside and let me fulfil my/our great date with destiny.....


 
Posted : 12/05/2018 10:11 am
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Really good interview with Dominic Grieve in today’s  guardian. About the most sensible assessment of the folly of Brexit as I’ve heard articulated by any politician. He’s definitely got the measure of Johnson and the rest of the headbangers in his own party

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/11/dominic-grieve-on-boris-johnson-and-brexit-he-should-resign-yes


 
Posted : 12/05/2018 10:23 am
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Come on guys and girls , it is starting :

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/12/students-plan-summer-of-defiance-on-brexit


 
Posted : 12/05/2018 11:15 pm
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Johnson has to be the most shameless politician since Blair

I am not a fan of Blair but I think you are doing him a serious disservice here. Whilst his relationship to the truth does seem somewhat relaxed its not in the same league as Johnson. Blair mostly lied by omission, eg 45mins if you take the most optimistic/pessimistic view of Saddam's capabilties and also hint its strategic and not tactical, whereas Johnson simply makes rubbish up.

In, sort of, I think agreement with Binners I think he is one of those really good salesmen types who can convince himself that whatever he is saying at the time/suits his personal aims is the truth. So having thrown in his lot with Brexit he needs to really, really believe in it.


 
Posted : 12/05/2018 11:51 pm
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Shock horror...

"Theresa May faces deadlock over Brexit customs rules, after senior politicians attack both proposed options"

So everyone's opposed to the rediculous unworkable plan(s) ....not just the pesky euoreans.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-customs-rules-eu-partnership-uk-theresa-may-ireland-a8349341.html


 
Posted : 13/05/2018 4:32 pm
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Unicorns or illegal unicorns, that is the question.


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 11:35 am
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its ok, everything will be fine

https://news.sky.com/story/red-warnings-for-uks-post-brexit-nuclear-safeguards-11374097


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 11:38 am
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Not illegal radioactive unicorns !?!


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 12:43 pm
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We manaaged to conquer the world without nuclear power.

Turn the ****ing things off and let the lion roar.


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 12:56 pm
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Yes but the locals were only armed to the teeth with kiwi fruit and dry guava halves.


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 1:06 pm
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Sod the power generation bit. nuclear medicine will be completely screwed.


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 1:10 pm
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May looking wobblier than ever at PMQs

fairly obvious Brexit is beyond the Tories capabilities (irony being that Labour have no better ideas)

https://twitter.com/gaurangmorjaria/status/996725265811279873

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/996711808747491329

https://twitter.com/Corbynator2/status/996729032917094401

https://twitter.com/JerryHicksUnite/status/996726647452786688


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 2:41 pm
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Well Corbyn can **** off for starters. Useless ****.


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 2:49 pm
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Did the government just nationalise a railway 😉

<p class="story-body__introduction">Rail services on East Coast Main Line are being brought back under UK government control.</p>
Transport Secretary Chris Grayling told Parliament that taking control would provide the smoothest transition to a new operator.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44142258


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 2:52 pm
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Not really a supprise that labour are no more prepared or competent. It's impossible to manage a cluster **** like Brexit well.


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 3:00 pm
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I think this is the first time that Corbyn has actually made Brexit the subject of his questions at PMQ's

not that it made much difference. The Maybot just ignored him, and parroted some pre-programmed answer about something completely different anyway

I really want to believe that this could be signalling a shift in policy from the labour front bench towards Brexit.

In reality he probably won't mention it again for another ten months, and Emily Thornberry and Kier Starmer will still trot out a similar 'have cake and eat nonsense' as the Tories, while Jezza and John get on with planning their socialist revolution


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 3:11 pm
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I think this is the first time that Corbyn has actually made Brexit the subject of his questions at PMQ’s

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Nah he did it last week (& touched on it the week before?)  May was absolutely flumoxed by it then too.

I suspect theres a team of tory spads already started work on deflection stratagies for her next week, the variables are how many of her own party will have tried to publically undermine her position in their own personal brexit missions to become PM themselves


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 4:54 pm
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Binners wrote,

"I think this is the first time that Corbyn has actually made Brexit the subject of his questions at PMQ’s"

You think a lot of things about Corbyn that aren't true, tbh.


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 4:55 pm
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If he could just continue having his weetabix and finish her off I would be grateful.


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 5:01 pm
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No, you’ve got it all wrong. It’s like this:

https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/

(I’m kind of surprised this hasn’t been quietly removed given how ridiculously wrong it is)

(but then, Dan Hannan)


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 10:40 pm
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I really want to believe that this could be signalling a shift in policy from the labour front bench towards Brexit.

Please, oh please...


 
Posted : 16/05/2018 11:12 pm
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Awesome how Hannans brexit wet dream up there is already way off the mark, before weve even brexited, no wonder he's changing his tune<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">(& of course blaming remainers for not coming up with a plan)</span>


 
Posted : 17/05/2018 8:23 am
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It's funny how the brexies have stopped saying

"They Need Us More Than We Need Them"


 
Posted : 17/05/2018 10:58 pm
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Will this be another one of those red lines that the Brexees always threatened to walk out over, but won’t?

Again.


 
Posted : 17/05/2018 11:12 pm
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