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Musk may well be a ****, I think he Is in fact, but no way can I afford one of his cars, so cannot boycott Tesla, sorry all.
Weatherspoons boss may well be a ****, I think he probably is, but if I can buy a round for 5 people for 13 quid, and sit in good company with mates, I will.
Sorry but there are some insufferably snobbish peeps on here.
Just an observation
Weatherspoons boss may well be a *, I think he probably is, but if I can buy a round for 5 people for 13 quid, and sit in good company with mates, I will.
How much more of a * would he have to be for you to stop?
My rule, not just for beer, is ‘if the boss is a ****, my money goes elsewhere’
I’d rather just be thirsty in that case.
Thankfully I have three other options in town, two are owned by the same family, one of theirs also does good coffee and cakes, and all three serve a very wide range of outstanding beers, largely from breweries in the south west.
Regarding Elonia, even if I was in the fortunate position to be able to afford an EV, I wouldn’t touch one of his with a barge pole. Apart from the poor build quality, which I have on good authority from the people I worked with who actually took the things apart to repair them, but their shitty ergonomics go completely contrary to everything that I expect from a driver safety standpoint.
Sorry but there are some insufferably snobbish peeps on here.
making choices based on how much of a **** the owner of company is or what activities said company get up to is not snobbery.
A lot of people clearly don’t care which is up to them but if enough people did care it would be a step in the right direction if we don’t want **** billionaires running the world.
Musk may well be a *, I think he Is in fact, but no way can I afford one of his cars, so cannot boycott Tesla, sorry all.
Weatherspoons boss may well be a *, I think he probably is, but if I can buy a round for 5 people for 13 quid, and sit in good company with mates, I will.
Sorry but there are some insufferably snobbish peeps on here.
Just an observation
I can't afford a Tesla either, but I wouldn't buy one if I could. I don't go to any Weather spoons, could give a **** how cheap the beer is, I'd rather go without. I don't think you understand what snobbery is normally do you likely understand what principles are I would guess
I've never been in a Weatherspoons and never will. Shit pubs with shit beer run by a shit who treats his staff like shit.. I have a long boycott list ranging from countries to individuals
I use their toilets and don’t buy anything.
I’ve never been in a Weatherspoons and never will. Shit pubs with shit beer run by a shit who treats his staff like shit.
Well, they're owned by a shit. The rest of your comment is rubbish, though.
Weathersoons is great as a public toilet provider, other than that, I avoid it like the plague.
Well, they’re owned by a shit. The rest of your comment is rubbish, though.
And based on exactly zero personal investigation, proudly.
Pubs reflect their clientele. I don't choose to go to Wetherspoons if I can avoid it due to tne owner, but will go to them if I'm out with a group who will. The nearest one to me is rough but adequate, others I've been to have been nice, especially ones where they've repurposed a lovely building that would otherwise struggle to be used (the old cinema one in Cambridge for example).
The pubs themselves, no issues there, some are very nice. The beer is varied and cheaper than most places, due to the volumes they can buy in.
The owners ****yness trumps (heh) all that though, I’d rather pay more elsewhere, and do.
Personally I think the selection and quality of beer is generally pretty good in a Wetherspoons, some of the pubs themselves are very nice.
But taking the moral highground dictates that I should probably go to the pub next door and spend best part of £7 on a pint of Neck Oil.
Weathersoons is great as a public toilet provider
Unless, like the last couple i have been in, it'd be quicker and easier and more pleasant to get to frigging Mordor and back than get to the toilets.
Apart from the poor build quality, which I have on good authority from the people I worked with who actually took the things apart to repair them, but their shitty ergonomics go completely contrary to everything that I expect from a driver safety standpoint.
Toyota took one apart and declared it "an engineering masterpiece". I'd rather believe them than some guys you know. In your opinion the ergonomics are shitty IMHO the switches and buttons scattered around most other cars have shitty ergonomics and as far as safety is concerned Tesla Model Y scored 98% in Euro NCAP the highest score achieved. But hey, what would Euro NCAP know?
Toyota took one apart and declared it “an engineering masterpiece”.
Sauce? Declared that about the drivetrain? The charging connection? The seats? The overhead sunglasses storage receptacle?
Also, touchscreen everything does definitely not equal good ergonomics.
Engineering includes cost factors, and I'll be honest here, going the route of slapping every system control in the car on the touchscreen is right there the Cheapy McCheapFace choice, individual buttons cost, and that, that is a dev /production cost trade-off against safety and usability.
NCAP is crash testing. Hardly relevant to the thing where the driver has to fanny about with the touchscreen to get the heater controls up to demist the windscreen but that's behind the second menu that took four seconds to appear because the unqualified software running the navigation and voice activation locked up and had to be restarted and that rebooted the display and in the meantime you've validated that yes, the NCAP rating of 98% meant that you didn't die when you wrapped the front end around a lamppost.
Also, build quality.
Toyota took one apart and declared it “an engineering masterpiece”
I did read this but I think they were talking about the one-piece 'giga' casting for the rear end. This is a nice idea but most manufacturers are moving in that direction now, and also it makes the cars hard to fix after a crash. So we'll see how that pans out (with all manufs not just Tesla).
Also crash testing is not related to build quality. I don't hate Teslas as cars by the way - they are good - but I don't like the idea that they are head and shoulders above every other EV because they're not, in 2025. I think the company's biggest weakness is likely to be the lack of new models, which will probably not hurt it so much in the USA but they will start to look dated here.
I’ve never been in a Weatherspoons and never will. Shit pubs with shit beer run by a shit who treats his staff like shit.
Showing yourself to be a bit of a self-righteous prick here TJ. No doubt that Tim Martin is a shit however I can't comment on how he treats his staff currently as I don't know, and I suspect you don't either. I may be wrong. However the beer certainly ain't shit. I was in a 'Spoons on Saturday and the range of guest beers was more than acceptable and very reasonably priced.
There's a lot wrong with Tim Martin but Wetherspoons offer a reasonably priced night out for people with less disposable income. You obviously disagree.
Spoons is another case of "large company in 'boss is contemptible shrew' shocker."
Do the folk who boycott companies owned by people who are *** make sure pensions are not invested in those companies, or are you happy to take the benifits of those ***
Admirable if you do boycott these, and interested in which pure as pure companies you make sure you invest in and where you buy your life essentials.
Also who do you work for, and do you fully vet the individuals or corporation you do work for and who pay you
Thanks in advance
Hardly relevant to the thing where the driver has to fanny about with the touchscreen to get the heater controls up to demist the windscreen but that’s behind the second menu that took four seconds to appear because the unqualified software running the navigation and voice activation locked up and had to be restarted and that rebooted the display
Switching on demist takes two screen presses. I can't think of any occasion when my life depended on swithing on demist any faster. In any case I never have to use it because the HVAC is effective in dehumidifying the cabin. Never had a system freeze either.
Also, build quality.
This isn't 2017 any more. Tesla buld quality is as good, if not better, than anything else coming out of Germany, Japan or China.
Whole lot of this going on here.
I don't like to use places because doing so might enrich their nob head owner... I don't do a deep dive into every single thing just to check someone somewhere isnt a bellend.
If I have the luxury of having a choice I'd probably avoid certain products based on the owners. I would never buy a Tesla as there are many other great cars out there for similar money. Likewise Dyson would be off the list.
But I've been in spoons once (town had very limited options for boozers) and tbh I thought it was great. You could have a meal and a few pints for well under 20 quid, and whilst not fine dining I thought it made a refreshing change and offered an alternative to folks who couldn't afford 5 quid pints of tennents and 15 quid burgers.
Would I go back knowing the owner is a xxxx. Probably if it was the only option in town, and definitely if money was tight.
Also, whilst we are all busy boycotting Wetherspoons in the hope he goes bust are we equally happy to see all the people working there lose their incomes?
"I was just following orders"
There’s a lot wrong with Tim Martin but Wetherspoons offer a reasonably priced night out for people with less disposable income.
I tend to agree with this - I don't go out that much, but recently I had a couple of pints and a burger in a 'Spoons in Whitby for less than a tenner. Last Saturday I bought a more expensive single pint in the Harrogate Tap (£9.60).
how he treats his staff currently as I don’t know
TJ is correct, the man treats his staff poorly (my boss' son works at one and he's trying to get away).
Switching on demist takes two screen presses. I can’t think of any occasion when my life depended on swithing on demist any faster. In any case I never have to use it because the HVAC is effective in dehumidifying the cabin. Never had a system freeze either.
Point was, flat touchscreens mean you have to take eyes off road to operate; particular choice of demist function was immaterial, both of which things I think you probably knew but chose to ignore.
Anyways, point is long since made, nobody be changing their mind.
I’ve never been in a Weatherspoons and never will. Shit pubs with shit beer run by a shit who treats his staff like shit.
How would you know if you've never been in one?
All other criticisms aside, I can't say as I've ever been served a bad pint in a Wetherspoons. It's rumoured that they buy up short-life stock cheaply, how true that is I don't know, but that doesn't matter if you sell enough of it quickly.
As I said. I've boycotted Wetherspoons not because the beer is bad (it isn't) or the places are bad (they almost always aren't) or even that Tim Martin is a prize shit (he is). Rather, I won't frequent a 'Spoons specifically because he turned the chain into a platform for political grandstanding. Vote Leave beermats, A3 posters all over the place full of lies, 'an afternoon with Tim' type affairs where he toured round giving rousing anti-EU speeches, and so forth.
Also, whilst we are all busy boycotting Wetherspoons in the hope he goes bust are we equally happy to see all the people working there lose their incomes?
Comments welcome.
If the same amount of beer is being drunk only in different places, then surely the same amount of staff will be required only in different places.
Plus lest we forget, a chunk of staff walked out in disgust because of the above actions.
You don’t have to dig deep with Musk because I’m pretty certain he personally invented electric cars and reusable rockets. He works in the factory and everything!! He must be a genius!
Point was, flat touchscreens mean you have to take eyes off road to operate
Anything with a touch screen also has a voice function. I know people love to pour scorn on those but they do actually work these days if you spend a few minutes getting to grips with it and finding what it's expecting rather than just having a go without reading instructions and giving up. So you don't HAVE to take your eyes off the road.
You'll complain about it, but for example the one in my Hyundai would give absurd results if you just say 'give me directions to <address>'. You have to say 'Search address' then it prompts you for the town and street. And it works well.
Also, whilst we are all busy boycotting Wetherspoons in the hope he goes bust are we equally happy to see all the people working there lose their incomes?
It seems Cougar has pretty much replied for me but:
If Wetherspoons did go under, presumably the amount of beer being consumed 'out' would need to be serviced, so those jobs would continue. Just not working for a Brexity prick who specifically chose to associate his business with Brexity Prickness. My advice would be to let the drinks actually spending money in the pub provide the political discourse and keep your business out of it.
And, in the long run, if arseholes like Martin are shut down, there is a chance that new entrants to the market won't treat their staff as badly as he does. Just a chance, mind.
Do people remember the early days of COVID, when the pubs shut, and asked wether they will pay staff, Martin responded with "Tesco's are hiring" **** Witherspoon's.....
Anything with a touch screen also has a voice function. I know people love to pour scorn on those but they do actually work these days if you spend a few minutes getting to grips with it and finding what it’s expecting rather than just having a go without reading instructions and giving up.
You haven't tried a MG then have you, my HS Trophy is ****ing atrocious, in every way not just the touchscreen/voice recognition..
I've only done 1600 miles in 12 months, hospital appointments and taking mum/mate shopping.
**** hateful thing to drive but only thing available on motability
Point was, flat touchscreens mean you have to take eyes off road to operate; particular choice of demist function was immaterial, both of which things I think you probably knew but chose to ignore.
Anyways, point is long since made, nobody be changing their mind.
Apart from the stalks I guarantee you don't have the position of the switches in your car in muscle memory and you have to take your eyes off the road to operate them.
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind but hoping to influence people reading our posts who haven't made their minds up yet.
Anything with a touch screen also has a voice function.
My Yaris has touch screen for audio and nav. I don't think it has a voice function, but I never read the manual and the young lady who sold it to me was quite distracting so I didn't ask any questions so she wouldn't think I was thick. I'll try shouting instructions at it next time I drive instead of random obscenities.
If Wetherspoons did go under, presumably the amount of beer being consumed ‘out’ would need to be serviced
Not unless another chain pops up providing the same services at the same prices. I don't see other pubs challenging on price of food and drink.
As I say, I am most definitely not a fan of Mr. Martin but his establishments provide an outlet for those on lower incomes.
Anything with a touch screen also has a voice function.
Is that true in 100% of cases? It should be, I'm pretty certain I had a car with voice control before one with a touchscreen (Mondeo). It wasn't great though, you had to memorise a long list of commands and wouldn't work if you said "ring [name]" instead of "call [name]," or the other way around. I couldn't remember whilst I actually owned the thing.
Android Auto is a lot better in this regard. It (mostly) understands natural language, it was smart enough to route to the recycling centre when I asked it to navigate to the tip, and cohesive enough to do a lookup in my contacts if I say "navigate to Dave's." There's no chance of that with the inbuilt system, though I've yet to see a car with a tablet for a head unit which wasn't garbage in some manner.
Apart from the stalks I guarantee you don’t have the position of the switches in your car in muscle memory and you have to take your eyes off the road to operate them.
I don't need to look to operate the 3 heater knobs in my car. Just reach out and click it round to the required position. Occasionally it might need a quick glance (literally a fraction of a second) to check the position. If I were car shopping, one of the things on the list of "features to avoid as far as possible" would be touchscreen controls. For little-used setup functions it makes sense, for common things absolutely not.
...Is it just me or has this thread become somewhat sidetracked?
I don’t need to look to operate the 3 heater knobs in my car.
I don't need to look at or operate the temp control in mine at all. I set the temp to 21°C two years ago and its stayed there ever since.
Is that true in 100% of cases? It should be
Obviously I don't know 100% of cars but as you say it's pretty common and pre-dates touch-screens.
I’m pretty certain I had a car with voice control before one with a touchscreen (Mondeo). It wasn’t great though, you had to memorise a long list of commands and wouldn’t work if you said “ring [name]” instead of “call [name],” or the other way around. I couldn’t remember whilst I actually owned the thing.
Yes, the one in my 2006 car was also rubbish. But like I say they are better now. I can confidently now get in the car, drive up the hill and put my destination in the satnav as I drive which is much better than farting with the touch keyboard even whilst stationary. Even the 2013 Mercedes one - not least because you can train it to your voice or voices, and it prompts you on screen for the sub-set of commands it's expecting. The Hyundai one also shows prompts but I think only if you enable that first in the settings.
So much hate for the Spoons. I'm lucky enough I can afford to go for a pint and a pie in any pub I choose.
I can hark on about how much I hate brexit and tim martin all I like, but if I was on minimum wage and could only afford to treat the missus to a night out in one of his establishments, I doubt I'd be so principled
Politics aside, he provides decent beer and food for folks who would otherwise have to go without treating themselves to a night out. That positive alone for me outweighs whatever negative character traits the man may have
And as for the 'if he went bust another pub owned by less of a dickhead would soon pop up' argument...quite possibly but I can pretty much guarantee it wouldn't be nearly as cheap
Anything with a touch screen also has a voice function.
Absolute waddle.
Just sold our Golf that had a touch screen but no voice control. My current car has a touch screen but no voice control.
the position of the switches in your car in muscle memory and you have to take your eyes off the road to operate them
The professors in my industrial design degree 20+ years ago would absolutely disagree with that. They were spending plenty of industry sourced research money to show exactly that, all vehicle controls should be designed to be opererable without need to visually reference them.
Kind like sending t9 phone text messages by feel without looking at the key pad (locating off the #5) vs touchscreen typing where you have to visually locate every screen tap.
Some manufacturer's have announced their intention to move back towards tactile control buttons because not everyone's a tech bro.