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Yep, and within the past couple of days the German greens have criticised the normalisation of fascism by Musk and Trump, only for the German centrist and right wing parties to rail against the greens for doing so, and ass kiss the fascists (I am not including the afd in the normal right wing grouping here just the traditional tory like party)
The greens in Germany are a more powerful force than in the UK, but still only about 4th behind the other major parties (the general split is more even rather than 2 big parties totally dominating). But I find the reaction of the other parties rather shocking to what is blatantly happening. I would really like to see the funding sources of these other parties.
I’d struggle to put a date on when he crossed the line to be full on boycottable.
The Thai cave diver thing did it for me.
The Thai cave diver thing did it for me.
Yeah for me too. I was sicken when he won that case.
That's just what I was going to put.
When a guy putting his life in jeopardy to help others says your crackpot scheme won't work, and your comeback is to call him a pedo - you are a full on arsehole; and should be avoided.
It helps that Tesla's are shit and I don't need either twitter or starlink. Easy swerve
The key thing is when you stopped buying Dyson products or drinking in Wetherspoons.
Precisely what I was (ahem) driving at, yes.
The Thai cave diver thing did it for me.
Just googled - coming up for 7 year ago. Longer than I remembered. So that's 18 plate and newer then.... so most of them.
Also from the google search - he had 22 million twitter followers back then. 10 times that on X now (thought the total users has apparently tripled in that time too).
Incredibly, GB news sent a reporting team to Auschwitz.
I suppose after this anniversary, gb news will go back to demonizing brown people, Muslims and LGBTQIA+
In in 'MCTD's pic, its not just politicians who instigated this, the media played a huge role. So the players are the right wing media like gb news, the daily mails, express, spectator. They are the Der Stürmer' equivalent of today
The thai cave thing marked him as a knob head. But it was when he bought twitter that it became clear he was a dangerous far right propogandist.
A big +1 to MCTD's post up there; to add to that, there were some articles on R4 this morning that brought tears to my eyes (not a good look when rounding the M25, which can also do that to people) but the one that stuck in my mind as relevant was along the lines of
'Never again' is not just a phrase we recite, but a promise we make every day.
New MY2025 teslas will be easily identifiable
I've just read the Tesla described as the Swasticar. 😀
Hopefully he ODs on Ket sooner rather than later
The Thai cave diver thing did it for me.
A couple of years back there was a BBC doc about Musk. I remember this as one of my uncles watched it and was raving about it as though Musk were the new messiah.
I said at the time I thought Musk was a **** and have the cave thing as an example.
Spoke to my cousin (his daughter) the other day and I'm glad to say he has changed his opinion of the guy
I’ve just read the Tesla described as the Swasticar. ?
I've been smiling at this since I first heard it the day after 'that' gesture on inauguration day.
But today, with the main new channels full of coverage of the holocaust memorial stuff.....just doesn't seem quite so funny.
Now Skum wants to change the name of the English Channel. Let's hope that gets the gammons in a froth.
I’ve just read the Tesla described as the Swasticar. ?
I hear Musk is Führerious about it.
The way [deleted] is going about the reorganisation of the American government, does rather put me in mind of the organisation of another government around 80-90 years ago…
https://www.worldhistory.org/Gestapo/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic/history
It’s well worth a read, especially considering the date today.
It's good to see Gates speaking his mind about him.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/27/bill-gates-elon-musk-far-right
Not that Gates has the capacity to change the minds of those to the right having given $50m to Harris...oh and having tried to infect the world with deadly C-19 vaccine too.
I do feel a bit sorry for Tesla owners…
For a while. They can sell them though, given time. If they’re still driving one in a few years time… well…
I'm certainly glad I'm not a Tesla owner now, I don't condone any vandalism of the cars though. I do however support some of the things being done at the factories and dealerships.
even if that means collaborating with very unseemly characters.
I watched Darkest hour last week, which implied/informed about how quick the"others" in british politics were to roll over to Herr Hitler in an attempt to minimise losses. Scary.
I’ve just read the Tesla described as the Swasticar.
I saw his pronouns being described as He/Himler
I watched Darkest hour last week, which implied/informed about how quick the”others” in british politics were to roll over to Herr Hitler in an attempt to minimise losses. Scary.
It's a pretty easy decision to make now, when we are comfortably basking in the glow of "our finest hour" 70 years ago but back then, with the memory of WWI still alive, you were looking at sending millions of people to die, without knowing how it would turn out and if we would end up losing, being conquered and subjugated. Don't trivialise that decision.
They can sell them though, given time.
A sold Tesla still has an owner?
They can sell them though,
I’d assumed a lot of them (like other cars in the UK) are leased and will just get handed back when the lease finishes?
I’d also assume that s/h values will not be high.
Lots of people (most?) buy cars because of the car and don't even think about who owns the company and their views. I own a Renault, not the first clue who owns it and for all I know they could be the vilest person alive, apologies for not doing my research.
Granted you'd have to be living under a rock not to know about Musk, but even so... hate on the brand, not the buyers. I don't think all the vilification of Tesla owners in this thread is leading us down a very good path.
FWIW, I haven't stopped being excited about SpaceX and following their launches etc. Am I an evil Nazi supporter now?
Granted you’d have to be living under a rock not to know about Musk, but even so… hate on the brand, not the buyers. I don’t think all the vilification of Tesla owners in this thread is leading us down a very good path.
This is an excellent point - see my post 23 hours ago about evil starting with simple divisions. Even I hadn't picked up that hating on the buyers is playing exactly into the narrative, it's so easy to start of with a bit of banter....
Everytime my new electric VW proves to be an infuriating pain in the arse (a frequent occurrence) I have to remind myself of the moral high ground I've gained by not selecting a tesla.
To be fair, the last few weeks have made it easier.
This is an excellent point – see my post 23 hours ago about evil starting with simple divisions. Even I hadn’t picked up that hating on the buyers is playing exactly into the narrative, it’s so easy to start of with a bit of banter….
It's really sad. Division just leads to more division. Where do you draw the line? Let's hate on: Nazis, neo-Nazis, extreme far-right, Musk, Trump, Farage, Johnson, Brexit, Gammons, Republicans, Tories, anyone who votes for any of the above, Tesla buyers, Wetherspoons patrons, on and on and on...
Surely there are ways to fight back without resorting to hate, encouraging violence (however tongue in cheek it may be) and pointless vitriol.
I don’t hate Tesla drivers unless of course it was someone who bought one as an explicit statement of support for Musk’s position.
No ****ing way would I buy one though, solely on the basis of his position.
FWIW, I haven’t stopped being excited about SpaceX and following their launches etc. Am I an evil Nazi supporter now?
What are your thoughts on Wernher von Braun?
What are your thoughts on Wernher von Braun?
I don't much like him personally. Fascinated with Saturn V however, and yes even the V2 as a piece of technology, just not what was done with it.
Similar to Musk really, except Musk has much less to do with the actual rocket & science. Not entirely sure of your point.
Lots more Tesla open for all charging stations have appeared round the country since I last looked. I'll be using them if I'm near by and need a charge. I won't be buying a Tesla tho, insurance group is too high for my liking.
Where do you draw the line? Let’s hate on: Nazis, neo-Nazis, extreme far-right, Musk, Trump, Farage, Johnson, Brexit, Gammons, Republicans, Tories, anyone who votes for any of the above, Tesla buyers, Wetherspoons patrons, on and on and on…
There's a line between these? 🙂
To be fair, it's difficult to dislike Tesla owners for the crime of "buying a car." Apparently they're quite good vehicles?
Similarly, I'd personally avoid Wetherspoons wherever practical because of Temu Father Jack's actions, but they're ubiquitous and cheap and if you want a pie and a pint and you've only got a fiver to your name then it's hard to criticise someone for choosing that. Note here though, I'm boycotting 'Spoons not because of the views of its owner but because its owner chose to use his pubs to act as a propaganda mouthpiece. So maybe there is a line after all.
If you only have £5, surely a 69p pastie and a 99p bottle of beer will do? The change can be invested in Tesla and weatherspoons?!
Where are you getting 99p bottles of beer from, the 1980s?
I take your point, all I was saying was that I recognise that 'Spoons fills a niche in the market. Standing in the rain with a lukewarm Pound Bakery sausage roll and a can of Lidlbier is an option of course, but that wouldn't be my first choice either.
Where do you draw the line? Let’s hate on: Nazis, neo-Nazis, extreme far-right, Musk, Trump, Farage, Johnson, Brexit, Gammons, Republicans, Tories, anyone who votes for any of the above, Tesla buyers, Wetherspoons patrons, on and on and on…
The lines not even in sight yet, keep going!
Note here though, I’m boycotting ‘Spoons not because of the views of its owner but because its owner chose to use his pubs to act as a propaganda mouthpiece. So maybe there is a line after all.
Yep. Old Worzel Gummidge chose to inextricably link his dives with a pro-Brexit stance. Hence, I've not spent a single penny in one ever since he did.
The lines not even in sight yet, keep going!
That was my thought too.
Standing in the rain with a lukewarm Pound Bakery sausage roll and a can of Lidlbier is an option of course, but that wouldn’t be my first choice either.
TBF the ambience would be very similar, probably with fewer dickheads.
Standing in the rain with a lukewarm Pound Bakery sausage roll and a can of Lidlbier is an option of course, but that wouldn’t be my first choice either.
TBF the ambience would be very similar, probably with fewer dickheads.
We have a ‘Spoons in town, which I’ve been in one lunchtime, and another pub which I used to drink in, that I wouldn’t be seen dead in these days, ‘Spoons definitely being the preferable option, with far fewer dick’eads.
And so we've gone full circle into 'drawing the line' (is that a tangent?) Spoons might have fewer dickheads, but I'd rather drink somewhere with none. Myself excepted.
We have a ‘Spoons in town, which I’ve been in one lunchtime, and another pub which I used to drink in, that I wouldn’t be seen dead in these days, ‘Spoons definitely being the preferable option, with far fewer dick’eads.
I'd rather just be thirsty in that case.
Apparently they’re quite good vehicles?
This is apparently debatable, unless you like random panel gaps and door handles that come off in your hand?
I'd like to think my point was pretty clear without needing to list all the way down to the perfection of "STW forum member" 😉
I did consider listing more but TBH couldn't be bothered and considered it was clear what I meant. Either it was really not clear or people just like to nitpick for the sake of it :-/