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Elfinsafety - Memberimmeasurably more capable Oona King
Who, as MP for Tower Hamlets, oversaw the destruction of virtually all Further Adult Education in the borough, as well as much of the land grab in Docklands by greedy corporations, while doing nothing to address the enormous need for Social Housing.
Blairite stooge who supported the illegal invasion of Iraq. Career politician with little or no consideration for the vast majority of local residents, instead more interested in furthering her own career and using her position and influence to help out her own friends. Used her media connections to wage a dirty publicity campaign against her successor, George Galloway.
I've got the right to say all this as someone negatively affected by her selfish and divisive policies.
Dirty bastard.
And don't get me started on that racist hypocrite Diane Abbot....
Which left wing politicians DO you like then?
May I recommend one of these...... 😆
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i dont think an affiliated union rep needs a lecture on union/labour history either but as I said one person one vote is hard to argue against.
In the first round, most affiliated members (there is no trade union section) voted for candidates other than Ed Miliband
The election was not won in the first round was it? so as you accept in the one that counted most voted for him or as you [s]say[/s]spin it less transferred to his brother ..this is fact if inconvenient. He also won each round with FPTP from affilitates..he was the most popular with them rather than with other sectors of the ,more fair but still unfair, electoral system. Is he in the union pockets as if we have that power we can but dream/trembkle depending on point of view.
Re zulu-eleven he can be correct/make a reasonable point [often rudely] sometimes even though I do not share his ideological outlook.
CPT I take it back your analysis was spot on. Lefty ferret leaves bag.
i dont think an affiliated union rep needs a lecture on union/labour history either but as I said one person one vote is hard to argue against.
Well apparently this affiliated union rep didn't know the answer to a simple question and asked if anyone knew :
[i]"I dont think labour party members and affiliated union members [ who do this by choice you can be in those unions and not be part of labour*] get more than one vote do they? Any link?I honestly dont know and google was not helpful. Anyone know for certain?"[/i]
And you might be surprised to learn JY, that the post was not only uniquely aimed at you. It was also aimed at ratty and other critics. Deepest apologies if it offended you, but tough sh1t
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Which left wing politicians DO you like then?
Proper sincere Left Wing ones, not bloody charlatan career politicians like Oona King, Tony Blair and Diane Abbot who pretend to be interested in the needs of people yet are only concerned with lining their own nests. Bastards.
Ones who might get the Tube into work, rather than taxis/limos, and who might eat in a greasy spoon rather than some fancy poncy bistro or or-****ing-ganic vegetarian delicatessen ****y faux-fair trade coffee shop.
RED KEN CHA CHA CHA!
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That man should be leader of the Labour Party/next PM, not a Milibastard.
Can't recommend it, as I've not tried one, but you might like to:
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Ones who might get the Tube into work, rather than taxis/limos,
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/3582297/Paying-Kens-taxi-fares.html ]Yesterday morning, for the second time in a month, Ken Livingstone took a 234-mile taxi trip home from Blackpool to London. The journey took more than four hours and the fare was £260, charged to council-tax payers through the Greater London Authority (GLA).
The Mayor of London has an extraordinarily cavalier attitude to taxis and the public purse. His taxi bill last year, picked up by the GLA, was £1,914.91. At the rate he is going, this year's promises to be even bigger.[/url]
(By the way, I do know that Boris has had higher taxi bills than Livingstone, but that's another argument!)
who might eat in a greasy spoon rather than some fancy poncy bistro or or-****ing-ganic vegetarian delicatessen ****y faux-fair trade coffee shop
[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Livingstone#Early_and_personal_life ]Livingstone is a noted bon vivant, having twice worked as a food critic for London's Evening Standard newspaper and various magazines[/url] and,
[url= http://www.****/news/article-1198201/Ken-Livingstones-16-000-dining-lavish-restaurants--paid-taxpayers.html ]Ken Livingstone racked up huge bills for the taxpayer at a string of lavish restaurants while mayor of London, his official credit card bills reveal.
Details obtained by the Daily Mail show that over four years he ran up total expenditure of more than £16,000.
The revelations are a blow to the Labour politician's carefully cultivated image as a 'man of the people'.
They reveal that the socialist firebrand was a regular visitor to Le Pont de la Tour restaurant, described as combining 'the very best of modern French cuisine with elegant, luxurious surroundings and magnificent river views'.
In January 2007, he ran up an extraordinary £1,267.59 bill there - the largest single expense in the credit card files.
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A greasy spoon - http://www.lepontdelatour.co.uk/?gclid=CJ2wjsq8paQCFQGY2AodEA5H4g
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Proper sincere Left Wing [politician], not bloody charlatan career politician
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Ok then Flashy:
[/url]A spokesman for Mr Livingstone said: 'A central responsibility of the Mayor of London is to promote the city internationally, helping attract business and major sporting events to the capital. This requires meeting business leaders, politicians, the mayors of the leading cities of the world and sporting organisers in order to secure investment in London.
'Credit card expenditure was signed off by the director of finance and scrutinised by the Greater London Assembly's audit panel and open to scrutiny by the London Assembly.
'The GLA holds all of the detail associated with this and they are in a position to answer any inquiries regarding any details.'
From the Daily Fail too; a noted supporter of Mr Livingstone, eh? 🙄
So, he runs up a bill promoting London? Hardly feathering his own moat/duck house etc...
As for the taxis; helping support London enterprise. Got a problem with that? Probbly works out far, far cheaper than using a car + chauffeur (I'd imagine a car and driver would cost a lot more than £260). Prbbly cheaper thaan the train (assuming he had an assistant etc with him), and a hell of a lot cheaper than taxi + flight.
Work out how much a car + driver would cost per year, for the same journeys, then get back to me eh, there's a good chap.
What a rubbish attempt. That the best you can do? Don't get me started, or I'll start on your beloved Buffoon...
BTW my shoes are outside the door. I'd like a nice shine on them please.
The Labour Party, ever since it first became a successful electoral machine, has attracted of careerists and opportunists. The Labour Party's checkered history is characterised by betrayal after betrayal. From Ramsay MacDonald (are you paying attention Junkyard ?) to Tony Blair.
That its upper echelons attract those with strong bourgeois tendencies should surprise no one, other than a fool such as Effin. [i]All[/i] successful institutions within a bourgeois society attract ambitious bourgeois individuals.......business, commerce, the church, the military, and yes, even successful labour institutions.
No one, should imo, support the Labour Party for any reason other than, the fact that it is immeasurably better than the alternative choice - the Tories. Any support I have ever given the Labour Party has been based on that one fact. I have always supported it like a rope supports a hanged man. Give it enough rope/power and it will always hang itself.
And that is indeed, what has always historically happened. Give it power, and it always fails to deliver........it ends up hanging itself.
I like Livingstone. Yes ultimately he is a bourgeois member of a bourgeois party, but he is measurably better than the alternative. You are wrong Flashheart when you say "I do know that Boris has had higher taxi bills than Livingstone, but that's another argument". It is not " another argument" it is the [u]same[/u] argument, because that is what the alternative is.
And let's look carefully at what the alternative is. According to my Daily Mail, Johnson spends FOUR TIMES more in one year on taxi fares than Livingston did. One of his claims was for £99.50 for a return journey from City Hall to Elephant and Castle, less than 1.5 miles away - at £33 a mile. Loads more here :
And let's not forget Boris Johnson's (failed) attempt to claim £16.50 for a Remembrance Sunday wreath. As reported in your paper Flashheart :
No, Livingstone is far from being perfect. But I still remain a very small fan of his. And I will enthusiastically vote for him next mayoral election. I stopped supporting the Labour Party electorally in 1995 because of Tony Blair/New Labour, but I have maintained my respect for Livingstone.
And just to put that 8 year old story that you dug up in context Flashheart, Livingstone as mayor of London, would undoubtedly have been entitled to first class train fare from Blackpool to London, I doubt whether it would have been much less than the taxi fare.
a fool such as Effin
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ernie WTF has got into you of late? Every single post appears to be an attempt at one one-upmanship and too belittle. You used to have things to say now you have insults to fling. You could try and answer the legitimate point I made about one person one vote and the weakens of the electoral system and whether ed won the affiliate vote each round or not. Suppose insults are more your forte than reasonable debate.
As you quoted me and answered my stupid question I strangely thought it was a reply. I feel silly now for being so confused and jumping to conclusions 🙄
pparently this affiliated union rep didn't know
Why apparently this bit should have been clear you quoted it twice
I honestly dont know
Unlike your good self I dont know everything.
Everyone stop fighting please. It's not nice. 😥
(Is upset)
I agree it is very upsetting when that villainous Mr lynch picks on you
He's very nasty and cruel to me. 😥
You could try and answer the legitimate point
You asked a question concerning whether party members and affiliated union members had more than one vote. I answered it by saying yes they did, and gave a historical background to why they did. In response I got something about you not needing a history lesson. Which is fair enough I guess, although as I pointed out the post was not aimed solely at you, it was also aimed at other critics of the leadership election process, of which there are many. Frankly I wish I had just ignored you, you appear to be a sensitive little soul, despite your predisposition to be often quite stropy. At one point I was going to refer to you as Junky, and then remembered just how angry you get with ratty for calling you that. TBH I'd rather engage in mindless and pointless banter with Elfinsafety, than try and have a serious exchange of views with someone as touchy as you. As far as one-upmanship is concerned, I'm more than happy to let "win" this argument.
Ha ha!
Ernie, Hook line and sinker mate!
Hook, line and sinker...
mindless and pointless banter with Elfinsafety
Oi!
No, actually...
Oh and BTW, aren't us 'Lefties' meant to be on the same side? All this bickering won't bring about unity, will it? Meanwhile, all the Tory Boys are laughing at you.
So come on, Solidarity Brothers! Let's drive the Tory bastards back into their stately homes!
Then eat them. BBQued Captain Flashheart anyone? And to add the final insult, serve him with chilli sauce, like a proper dirty proletarian kebab.
LabZulu would be inedible though. Too bitter. And it would make you sick. Bleeuurgh!
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mindless and pointless banter with Elfinsafety[b] " Oi!
No, actually... "[/b]
Yeah I know mate .......whilst I'm pulling your plonka, you see it as your intellectual capacities being stretched to their very limits.
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it was also aimed at other critics of the leadership election process
Your only defence seems to be it is not as unfair as it used to be which, whilst true is hardly a great defence. And something about bourgeois tendencies since??? I am not sure from what date as Ramsay MacDonald won twice but I am sure you knew that and were just trying to confuse me.
was going to refer to you as Junky, and then remembered just how angry you get with ratty for calling you that. TBH I'd rather engage in mindless and pointless banter with Elfinsafety, than try and have a serious exchange of views with someone as touchy as you
Amusing but I dont get why everyone on STW feels the need to insult the poster rather than their argument which is fair game IMHO. I realise this knowledge empowers some people to do it but I admire your restraint 😉
whilst I'm pulling your plonka, you see it as your intellectual capacities being stretched to their very limits.
Don't pull my plonka please, it's not very nice and I don't like my intellectual capabilities being stretched to their very limits. 🙁
What about Virginia Bottomley? With hot Garlic Butter?
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Ooohhh.....
Might need to have a little lie down now.