[Closed] Ed Miliband - Is he really the best that Labour have got?

The chances of Ed Miliband ever becoming PM?

Zero.

no they have his brother who would be a credible leader and is who i genuinely believe the folks thought they were voting for..

not the spitting image charicature that currently leads(?) the party.. foooooool

We have seen what Cameron can do, could Milliband be worse?

Not an enticing prospect either way.

id have Cameron over Milliband and i am / was a labour supporter!

Labours new highly paid, shit hot, ex-Obama electoral guru is playing a blinder, isn't he?

Hey Ed - I've had a fantastic idea. Why don't you alienate your entire core vote in the North of England? All despairing labour MP's and councillors, and everyone apart from some **** in Essex who drives a white van, and will always vote Tory, whatever happens. I reckon we could manage it in less than a minute.

How? Surely nobody could manage it that quickly? Really

Sure we can, Ed. Sit there, hold this, and grin like a hostage who's captors have just inserted a porcupine up their arse then told them to tell their family, on camera, that they're being treated well

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Staggering he did this. Insane.

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And it was all looking promising when [url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/jul/16/rupert-murdoch-ed-miliband-phone-hacking ]this[/url] was happening.

It does annoy me that he gets picked on and is not PM material due to his appearance and accent, but then he goes and does something like that and you really wonder whats going on in his head.

Worth noting that all of them had their pictures taken with it

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But Ed actually depends on votes from the North so not really relevant for the others.

Whilst I agree that Ed Milliband has got a snowballs chance in hell of becoming PM, a lot of the "The Sun said terrible things after Hillsborough" furore has to end. They did, they've since acknowledged that they did, they've apologised. Let it go, move on.

it's amazing isn't it?

after the last GE, the labour plan was simple: elect Dave Milliband as leader, spend the next 5 years kicking the tories in the nuts, walk back into power for at least 2 terms.

easy, and obvious. But they even managed to cock that up.

For the Blackadder fans, I can never hear MilliEd speaking in the House of Commons without thinking:

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Kinda seems cruel, like kicking a puppy or something, but hey ho [url= https://twitter.com/Odd_Miliband ]Odd Miliband - photos of Ed Miliband looking odd [/url]

He stabbed his brother in the back to get into high office what else would you expect from a scummy politician who would do anything, say anything, promise anything...

If anyone, he is the single reason for the rise of UKIP.

He is a grim warning of proportional representation.

The Ed Balls camp wanted their man as no 1 choice on the ballot, and couldn't face having DaveMilli as their number 2 choice. Same in DaveM's camp.

So when it all was counted up, you get that twit.

I bet Cameron is still chuckling.

David extraordinary rendition milliband was nulabour through and through I'm not sure that he would've been an asset any more than Ed

The only thing that'll make Ed PM is how many people dislike call me Dave

Currently I think he's got a very good chance of becoming the next PM.

A scary thought indeed.

What are they all doing advertising the Sun anyway?

Miliband is a hopeless leader but the PM, deputy PM and leader of the opposition should not be getting involved in a publicity stunt like this

If anyone, he is the single reason for the rise of UKIP.

Eh? How did you work that one out?

For the first time in my voting life, I have no idea who I'm going to vote for at the next election.

[i]Eh? How did you work that one out?[/i]

because the natural protest vote is a vote for the opposition. However he is the opposition and people can't bring themselves to vote for him. So they shift their vote elsewhere; they don't vote lib Dem as being the whipping boys of the coalition has (sadly) destroyed their percieved credibility, so the next one left is UKIP

What are they all doing advertising the Sun anyway?

I'm guessing whoever convinced them to do it said it was "Celebrating England and Englishness" or some other rubbish.

And they wouldn't like the Sun printing a story about how they refused to celebrate how great England is.

This probably never happened though I bet they didn't think twice about it.

Its looking increasingly like a huge cock and balls scrawled on the ballot paper, with every day that passes.

I could never, ever, ever bring myself to vote tory under any circumstances, ever! But I wouldn't put that muppet in charge of a children's party in a soft play area, never mind the countries economy. I've thought this since one of his first moves was to appoint Ed Balls as shadow chancellor. Would this be the same Ed Balls that sat at Browns right hand as he drove the economy off a cliff? It would appear so.

Cock and balls it is then

I thought Ed was your man Binners 🙂

because the natural protest vote is a vote for the opposition. However he is the opposition and people can't bring themselves to vote for him. So they shift their vote elsewhere; they don't vote lib Dem as being the whipping boys of the coalition has (sadly) destroyed their percieved credibility, so the next one left is UKIP

Well that could be the case, but in the case of UKIP, its to do with natural tory voters using UKIP to protest against a tory party that isn't anti-EU enough. You only need to look at how many councils the torys had control over, but now have no overall control due to UKIP splitting their vote.

Would this be the same Ed Balls that sat at Browns right hand as he drove the economy off a cliff?

So they were the architects of a world wide economic crash after all? 😉

I could never, ever, ever bring myself to vote tory under any circumstances, ever

I have never understood people who hold this view; what is the point of a party political system and a democratic process if for a sizeable part of the population their vote has already been partially cast before anyone has got around to publishing a manifesto?

Surely the enlightened vote is the one that is cast on the merits of what the country needs at that given moment (which will change as we have seen) and what the various parties are offering.

It's a very closed minded and alienated view point to adopt in my view (and yes I have voted both ways, twice for Labour and the last time Tory).

kimbers - Member

David extraordinary rendition milliband was nulabour through and through I'm not sure that he would've been an asset any more than Ed

based on nothing more than my own opinion: it wasn't Nulabour that people voted against, it was Gordon Brown.

I have never understood people who hold this view; what is the point of a party political system and a democratic process if for a sizeable part of the population their vote has already been partially cast before anyone has got around to publishing a manifesto?

I've never tried repeatedly slamming my head in a door, but I can confidently say that I'm never going to do it.

Ed Miliband - Is he really the best that Labour have got?

Yes.

Well that could be the case, but in the case of UKIP, its to do with natural tory voters using UKIP to protest against a tory party that isn't anti-EU enough. You only need to look at how many councils the torys had control over, but now have no overall control due to UKIP splitting their vote.

Nah, it's Labour voters who would never ever vote Conservative (especially in the North).

The ex-Con UKIP voters will go back to Cons come the GE as they won't want Lab in. The ex-Lab UKIP voters might stay with UKIP, and that will be Eds downfall. Then the knives will be out for him, if not beforehand.

geetee1972 - Member
...Surely the enlightened vote is the one that is cast on the merits of what the country needs at that given moment (which will change as we have seen) and what the various parties are offering...

Lovely thought - if only the scumbags would keep their promises.

New Labour has destroyed the party IMO. I could not imagine anyone further from a worker than Milliband, who looks to me like a slightly pink Tory, and nasty with it because he is turning on his own.

Cameron must be laughing.

BTW did those proud to be British party leaders also pose with with papers supporting the Welsh team, or the Scottish? Didn't think so.

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BTW did those proud to be British party leaders also pose with with papers supporting the Welsh team, or the Scottish? Didn't think so.

There's a reason for that 😆

Because the labour contest to choose the next "media prop" was the dying embers of the Blair/Brown annihilation event, not a vote for a leader.

God, I hate Blair

allthepies - Member
There's a reason for that 😆

Been scratching my head, couldn't think what the reason could be? 😆

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More cheese Gromit?

I'd like to vote labour at the next GE too but unsure about him as PM. Would rather Ed balls and that's not a good thing.

Hmmm

Chances of Labour not winning just as many seats in the Northern cities as it always does? [b]Nil[/b]

Lets look at Scousers, the most likely to be offended by Red Ed holding a copy of the Sun

2010 election results vote share for Liverpool's 5 seats:
Labour Party 61.31%
Liberal Democrat 20.98%
Conservative Party 10.30%

So, they could afford to alienate and lose HALF their voters, and still be guaranteed to romp home

Do you really think they don't do the sums before doing something like this?

@ geetee - people have long memories. politicians like to kid themselves that they don't.

Milli is no surprise to those who remember Michael Foot.

I'd like to vote labour at the next GE too but unsure about him as PM. Would rather Ed balls and that's not a good thing.

Thing is you look at the rest of them and there's not exactly many that look any better. David M is forever stained with the scent of Blair and the blood of Iraq. Balls, Cooper, Umunna, Reeves etc are all Oxbridge policy wonks who are no different to Ed. Harman's too wishy-washy, and Johnson had his chance and chickened out.

The only one I can think of with any shred of credibility is Burnham (wonder what he's got to say on the Sun thing BTW?).

Time for [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Skinner ]Dennis Skinner[/url]

[quote=avontyrrell said]Time for Dennis Skinner

😆

The ex-Con UKIP voters will go back to Cons come the GE as they won't want Lab in. The ex-Lab UKIP voters might stay with UKIP, and that will be Eds downfall. Then the knives will be out for him, if not beforehand.

Wishful thinking there on the Labour voters staying UKIP, but Tory voters staying with UKIP? Depends on how more anti-EU the torys get in the next year.

I like Andy B probably not as clever as Ed M who is seriously clever.

[i]Skinner takes a liberal stance regarding social issues. He voted in favour of equalisation of the age of consent, civil partnerships, adoption rights for same-sex couples, and to outlaw discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.[3] Furthermore, throughout his career he has maintained a strongly pro-choice stance on abortion. On several occasions he has enabled the defeat of moves to reduce the number of weeks at which termination of a pregnancy can be legally performed in Britain by "talking out the measure" (filibustering), as on 20 January 1989, when he held up proceedings by trying to move a writ for a by-election in the constituency of Richmond.[4] He had previously used this filibuster technique on 7 June 1985, when preventing a bill by Enoch Powell, which would have banned stem cell research, from being debated. He held up proceedings by moving a writ for a by-election in Brecon and Radnor.[5][6] Skinner regards his defeat of Powell's bill as his proudest political achievement.[7]

In 2003, he was one of a large number of Labour MPs who voted against the Iraq War; he later rebelled against the party line when he voted against government policy to allow terror suspects to be detained without trial for 90 days. In March 2007, Skinner and 88 other Labour MPs voted against the government's policy of renewing the Trident Nuclear Missile System.[8]

He often tells of turning up for work at his colliery after he had been elected as an MP, refusing to see it as his new occupation. This is the reason Skinner gives for refusing to miss any sitting in the House of Commons, saying that "if you missed a shift at the pit, you would get the sack". He also refuses to adopt the pairing system in which he can agree a mutual abstention with a Conservative MP, saying he won't cover for them whilst they "go swanning off to Ascot or to their boardrooms". In the 2004–2005 sitting of the House he claimed the least expenses for an MP who served the full year.[33] He has never been a member of an All-Party Parliamentary Group; does not eat alongside parliamentary colleagues in the Commons dining room; does not take trips or holidays 'paid for' by others; never drinks in the Commons Bar; and stays in the House of Commons during the Queen's Speech at the State Opening of Parliament, as he advocates outright abolition of the House of Lords.[/i]

I'd vote for him

[i]Do you really think they don't do the sums before doing something like this?[/i]

Honest answer? No I don't think they do... How sad is that.

Luckily for labour, Cameron is probably the PM with the worst ratings ever ( I bet he even nudges thatcher and brown for that dubious honour) and the Tories haven't won in 20years, and in the last by election they threw ALL their resources at it, and still their majority was halved. Milliband is a **** for sure but the Tories are toast