But give up riding. Shudders.
It would be a difficult decision to be sure. Give up or spend money I likely won’t have on an ugly bike that I therefore wouldn’t want to ride and probably wouldn’t be able to just throw in the shed covered in filth. Wires, batteries, motors. What’s next firmware updates for a pushbike? 🤮
I’d 100% take the e-bike, easy answer. I guess that makes me a true rider?
What a ridiculous thing to say
One thing I have found is over the past few years I got fed up with winter riding at night in mud for months on end, which started to make me not enjoy a bike ride, which is wrong. Im now way more likely to go out in bad conditions for a night ride on my Ebike.
I hate ebikes.
Not ebikers.
I love my singlespeed and the day I can't ride that I'll cry. But hate anyone else for riding an ebike? No way.
If it came to the point where it was eBike or give up riding I’m not sure where I would land.
I’d 100% take the e-bike, easy answer. I guess that makes me a true rider?
What a ridiculous thing to say
So you think the person that [b]doesn't ride[/b] is more of a rider than someone that [b]is riding[/b] an eeber?
What a ridiculous thing to say
No more ridiculous than claiming that giving up riding is preferable to riding an e-bike.
I think that trying to say that someone who at some point in the far future may choose not to ride an ebike is not a "true rider" is ridiculous, yes.
No more ridiculous than claiming that giving up riding is preferable to riding an e-bike.
Believe it or not some of us paupers like riding bikes! And I'm not even a bonafide pauper, got kids, mortgage, bills etc. E-bike not even worth thinking about.
I think that trying to say that someone who at some point in the far future may choose not to ride an ebike is not a “true rider” is ridiculous, yes.
That's not what was said though is it.The choice was don't ride or ride an eeber.
That is exactly what was said because I said it and quoted affordability as one of the main reasons.
If it came to the point where it was eBike or give up riding I’m not sure where I would land. The expense is a big blocker, also the extra environmental impact that comes with batteries and disposal.
You’ve forced me to quote myself you Monster! I hope you’re happy 😀
Also wtf is a true rider? Sounds a bit road for me so I’m out. Riding bikes in the woods and hills is a hobby for me. If I get priced out due to age and mobility at some point then so be it. I’ll just pick up a new hobby!
Sorry funk.😀
All of these people here with their new-fangled "bicycles" whilst I'm out running, bloody easy mode I tell you! You should put some real effort in! I can do 10k in around an hour and I'm knackered, they've barely broken a sweat!!
It shouldn’t be a surprise that some riders get a bit miffed with some ebikers, when they come out with “we’re probably actually working *harder* than you”, and then when you back up a counterclaim with numbers you just get met with complete dismissal.
(and a good few people who've commented in agreement)
It genuinely astounds me that anyone would care. They're going to get a bit miffed, well, fine, so what, be a bit miffed then. No-one died. The e-bikers with their batteries and their alleged attitudes, whatevs, meet you in the pub in an hour when I've caught you up. The fixie**** with the graphs and a spredsheet going "aksherlee..." likewise, there's a knock on behind the bar when you get here. Or we could all put a bit more effort into riding at a similar pace if the goal is socialising.
Because. Seriously. Really? If you're semi-pro then I get it, if you're chasing some Strava record then I (kind of) get it, but if you're going out for a casual ride with mates then for ****'s sake just go out with a casual ride with mates. What someone else is riding, whether better or worse, makes zero practical difference to your own ride. I deal with enough 'tude at work without having to put up with it during leisure activities.
This entire discussion is bloody weird.
Believe it or not some of us paupers like riding bikes! And I’m not even a bonafide pauper, got kids, mortgage, bills etc. E-bike not even worth thinking about.
You don't have to make the choice today you know. Keep on riding and enjoying your neeb until such time as you can't/don't and then reconsider. Or don't, it's no skin off my nose.
Wtf is a neeb?
Knee issue perhaps?
Wtf is a neeb?
Not an eeb, obvs.
(Hateful, isn't it.)
So a bike then. No wonder some people hate these dickheads 😀 I’m beginning to see why. Might go to work in my nec or on the neb tomorrow!
Yeah, a close second to "everyone will be on an ebike one day" is all the ridiculous terms people come up with for bikes
No wonder some people hate these dickheads
Anything I can do to keep all you miserable neebers away from the fun side is worth it. 😀
Why two e’s though? Not an enjoyable electric bike? Entertaining? Eccentric? Economical?
No idea, I didn't coin the term. I think it might have been Gary, in which case it was almost certainly done to antagonise.
Or Gary is just shit at acronyms or spelling. He is called Gary after all
I think ebikers shouts 'eebit' as they're about to ascend a hill on their eebs. Or something.
Earnings before income tax? These eBike riders and their piles of cash!
Why two e’s though?
It doesn't stand for anything. It's a shortened word.
Sam Pilgrim started it as far as I'm aware.
It's just saying ebike, but cutting out the 'ike'
What you end up with sounds like eeb.
I wouldn't take it so seriously.
I'm sure plenty have said similar throughout the thread, but get this haters/deniers/objectors
Those of us that have embraced e-bikes....
Wait for it....
This will blow your mind....
Some of us actually....
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Still get to ride normal bikes too!
😉
Footnote - I don't ride any of my blummin bikes enough
Pff. You don't even pay road tax.
Earnings before income tax? These eBike riders and their piles of cash!
I'm self employed so mines classed as a tax right off
😉😁😆
I wouldn’t take it so seriously.
don’t worry I’m not. Just taking the piss
Footnote – I don’t ride any of my blummin bikes enough
you’re in good company on here then. I occasionally look at my single Amish bike when I open the shed.
I wouldn’t take it so seriously.
Is all that needs to be said on the whole discussion really. Way too much hate/divisive crap going on about eBikes. They are not for me but I couldn't care less what other people ride.
Earnings before income tax? These eBike riders and their piles of cash!
I haven't worked for almost three years.🤣
A lot of people seem to hate them as suddenly they aren't first to the top any more...surely it should be an incentive to keep digging, pushing and improving rather than get really peeved that they aren't first up and can't get a decent rest.
A bike is a bike, if some assistance is required to keep the person riding, then I don't see the issue. Getting out for a ride is always better than not going out.
I'm thinking of going to glentress on Saturday but only have the morning to play with. Plan is Pace rc529 for a lap of the red with a black/ponduro finish. Then crack out the kenevo sl for a second lap with a couple more off piste parts. At what stage should I hate myself or is the a bit of forgiveness as the sl only has 240W in turbo (I'll be in trail at a max of 140Wassist).
I plan on having fun.
I’m thinking of going to glentress on Saturday but only have the morning to play with. I plan on having fun.
FTFY - that is all you need to say...really makes absolutely no odds what you will be riding, just get out and ride.
I’d 100% take the e-bike, easy answer. I guess that makes me a true rider?
What a ridiculous thing to say
It is and it's about as far into trolling as I'd go. It was tounge in cheek or a dig at the 'real riders' BS you get from occasional trad bike / neeb riders.
But the point is, if you're really addicted to the feeling of flowing through the woods on 2 wheels it won't matter how you get to the top, you'll enjoy it. Of course while we can we'll make a choice on how we get there / what we ride. But if you take that choice away due to age, maybe I'm 85.. I'll ride the e-bike if it keeps me out there. I reckon they'll be amazing products by then.
So 'true rider' = a daft way to say someone who just loves the 2-wheeled experience above all and isn't going to leave some bike types on the shelf. Someone who'd replace a car with a cargobike, ride an e-bike as they get old, ride an e-bike now for the fun of it, road bike mountain bike all good, the lot.
I find my hatred of my riding buddies is the same whether i am riding my ebike or my other bike.
Not sure if already mentioned but you now have an E-bike option on Strava.
As for the riding group, I think the problem is with the individuals who are making the comments, not you guys on the E-bikes. There has always been a bike ability/fitness/technology/cost/choice split in every riding group but that shouldn't enable people to essentially bully and abuse others.
As said in other comments, just ride with the folk you like, life is too short to spend time and energy with people you don't get on with.
If I had an ebike and rode with other on regular bikes then I'd take one of these and offer them a tow, would only be fair.
https://kidsrideshotgun.co.uk/products/shotgun-mtb-tow-rope
@didmthurt Don't joke...
I have no issue with anyone on an e-bike and to me it is all riding bikes... but i had to laugh on last Heaven of the South event, when a group of guys all on chipped bikes with rucsacs on so they could carry spare battery and ride "turbo" everywhere whipped out a tow strap, proceeded to tow a mate up the climb so that the strap covered the whole singletrack climb and no-one could get past, so we had to get off and walk, whilst they towed him.
I think the only time it bugs me is on climbs where they can't get past, so just sit there and buzz back wheel... other than that fill your boots..
CountZero
Swap the eBiker for me on a regular mountain bike, when I tried riding with a group, they’d all wait at the top for me, once I got there, it’d be “right, everyone ready? Off we go.” With zero chance for me to catch my breath, grab a drink or anything. I stopped riding with a group after that, I can’t deal with that sort of attitude.
Haven’t ridden for years, though, too afraid to in case I come off again and do further damage to my knee.
This is one of the issues and my experience is it's often one of the previous riders we'd wait for gets an eMTB and turns into the one setting off before the stragglers have a proper break.
I'm usually nowhere near the back unless I'm sweeping on a group ride but people I've previously encouraged, pushed (on my mechanicals) etc. then trying to ruin the day for someone else through either being insensitive to others or some sort of weird "look how good I am now" really grinds at me if I'm honest.
I can live with the XC bunnies (to some extent) as they probably don't (really) know the misery they are causing (as they piss off before the poor sod has a breakdown) but these are the people who 90% of the group took under their wing and tried to make it fun for.
el_boufador
What’s with all the shade being lobbed at Steve Jones?
Just interested
He always seems alrightish when I’ve watched something on EMBN (which is rarely)
Not him per-se he's just the poster boy...
If you do watch a few episodes the calling non eMTB riders "the peasants" and the "you'll never ride an Amish bike again" stuff gets old pretty quickly to me but to others it seems to be the 'How eMTBers talk about "the poors"' ..
BruceWee
Full MemberIsn’t the solution obvious?
TowWhees for all!
I used to tow the kids with the regular bike but an E-bike makes it a tad easier.
This thread is an excellent advert for riding on your own. As if by magic, no-one will be mean to you for riding an e-bike or not an e-bike. You won't have to wait for anyone / set off when you're not ready. And you'll avoid the inevitable, highly traumatic group break-up triggered by Terry's fury that Dave looked at him funny over a half-eaten cornish pastie at the cafe stop that only half the group actually wanted. There is no mixed riding group. There is no 'hatred'. The people who you think of as 'friends', but in reality are just people who you sometimes ride a bike with, will not exist in your life.
A propos of which, riding buddies often aren't really 'friends' at all. How often do you see your riding 'friends' when you're not riding bikes. Do you invite them over for tea. Or go out on the town with them. Would you even recognise them without a helmet and baggy shorts? Sure, some of them do become genuine mates, but mostly they are people you ride with and often best kept that way. Especially the really saintly, drippy ones who are revoltingly tolerant of everything. Lord preserve us.
All that's left to do is be conflicted over whether to hate yourself if/when you ride an e-bike alone. I can cope with that, we both can.
This thread is an excellent advert for riding on your own.
I get you 100%, but at the risk of repeating myself, the OP would not get this treatment at the hands of some genuine mates, who love mountain biking for the fun of it. Same to you BWD, if you feel the need to ride alone, please come and ride the south downs with me, I don't care if you are faster or slower.
Same to you BWD, if you feel the need to ride alone, please come and ride the south downs with my, I don’t care if you are faster or slower.
It's a kind offer, but you sound overly decent to me. I'm not sure I can cope with that 🙂
