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The SPFL needs to step in and dock them a few points. 20 should do.
How many police officers and vehicles to arrest say 1000people?
so now we have mob rule? The police are no longer able to do the job of policing?
It's weird how as a supporter of one of the Diddy teams you can hate one half of the old firm more that the other.
They really are the people
I know the police are between a rock and a hard place on this.
But why are they escorting them?
But why are they escorting them?
Basically keep them as contained as possible. Minimise the risk of them kicking off
How many police officers and vehicles to arrest say 1000people?
You don't have to arrest 1,000. Just enough to send a message. That would best have been done yesterday - along with a warning from the SPFL about the consequences of a repeat.
TBH. I'm of a mind that they can now **** right off with the current restrictions. I'll not be alone.
But why are they escorting them?
Escort? That's just part of the mob.
It is known that genetically,the Huns are much less likely to be hospitalised with covid than other races.
chickenman
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It is known that genetically,the Huns are much less likely to be hospitalised with covid than other races
Are you sure? I though obesity was a factor in how bad Covid can be? It's just that the Rangers shop will sell you a 4xl replica strip....
Not a single word from ibrox telling fans to go home was there?
The police came around my area breaking up small gatherings of the tits setting off fireworks.
If it's possible, I hate football even more this morning than I already did. Just to completely generalise and I shouldn't lump in proper followers of the diddy teams, but I'm utterly fed up with the general idiocy that surrounds football and it's 'fans' in general.
Tempted to break travel curfew and go for that just-beyond-local bike ride in the arse-end of nowhere I've been missing for the past 6 months now.
It’s weird how as a supporter of one of the Diddy teams you can hate one half of the old firm more that the other.
I don't even follow football and have the same feelings. A "small" bonfire last night that you could see the flames over the tops of the houses and fireworks all bloody night.
In an act of pure genius we are undergoing an hmie inspection this week. That's what a secondary school needs as they try to work out classes, numbers, timings etc for a blended education model. A paperwork exercise.
It's not as though the shared management brain cell isn't stretched enough. I have an unsettling feeling of almost sympathy for them (probably just anxiety knowing it means we'll find out Thursday what Monday holds)
Hahahahahahahahahaha...seriously? We are due one as our HT has been in 3 years but that's a jobby sandwich with a suspiciously yellow cup of juice on the side. How are they going to assess classroom ethos, welcome,heck even learning just now? SURELY that will be postponed.
If it’s possible, I hate football even more this morning than I already did. Just to completely generalise and I shouldn’t lump in proper followers of the diddy teams, but I’m utterly fed up with the general idiocy that surrounds football and it’s ‘fans’ in general.
Absolutely. I don't even dislike the game. I hate and don't understand the dickhead element that associates itself with football, its unique to one sport.
If Covid cases spike in a fortnight in Glasgow we will know who to blame. Although no doubt the culprits will be the ones moaning most loudly that the pubs are still shut.
What will be interesting to observe will be whether there is a genuine traceable spike in rates due to this. Or will it be another BLM/busy beaches/packed Loch Lomond that doesn't appear to lead to a spike helping to prove that outdoor transmission is very low risk so we can all go ride bikes together again.
Then again, the indoor after parties which also no doubt happened may skew my scientific research.
Not in anyway condoning their actions BTW - numpties.
I went for a ride 2.5 miles outside of my LA yesterday morning, felt a bit guilty (as an aside, never seen the place so busy with walker! Luckily most people seem unable to leave the gravel roads in the area). Felt a lot less guilty by the end of the day
@duckman nope going ahead. HT in meetings all day today with them. It's a level 2??????
We were inspected last year think this is the follow up but still. They could just leave it a wee while.
I hate and don’t understand the dickhead element that associates itself with football, its unique to one sport.
It's bizarre isn't it. I can't think of another sport like it in terms of fan behaviour.
If the Scotland rugby team win an away match, the fans don't turn up outside an empty Murrayfield to celebrate.
When Lewis Hamilton wins a GP his fans don't head to the local go-karting for a party.
The only thing that comes remotely close that I can think of is American football where they have tailgate parties in the parking lot outside the stadium
@duckman nope going ahead. HT in meetings all day today with them. It’s a level 2??????
We were inspected last year think this is the follow-up but still. They could just leave it a wee while.
that's crazy - I can't understand a school/LA management who haven't objected strongly to unnecessary footfall. In my world, the only inspection/audit stuff taking place face to face is where there is a statutory obligation to do it in a particular timescale. We are doing all other stuff virtually or postponing.
Equally, I'm rather surprised that HMIE's risk assessment is actively encouraging their staff to attend premises with large numbers of people - unless there is some pressing priority.
It’s bizarre isn’t it. I can’t think of another sport like it in terms of fan behaviour.
If the Scotland rugby team win an away match, the fans don’t turn up outside an empty Murrayfield to celebrate.
When Lewis Hamilton wins a GP his fans don’t head to the local go-karting for a party.
The only thing that comes remotely close that I can think of is American football where they have tailgate parties in the parking lot outside the stadium
Personally, I'd say they have just shown that "elite" football cannot go ahead even with no crowds in the stadium because the fans are idiots (and whilst I accept that particular types of fans are particularly likely to be the issue, I don't think you can honestly say that fans from the other top half a dozen clubs are that much better). Time for SportScotland to revoke the special permission for elite football - given the clubs and their governing bodies don't seem to have their act together?
The Gael's take on it. NSFW
poly
Free MemberPersonally, I’d say they have just shown that “elite” football cannot go ahead even with no crowds in the stadium because the fans are idiots (and whilst I accept that particular types of fans are particularly likely to be the issue, I don’t think you can honestly say that fans from the other top half a dozen clubs are that much better). Time for SportScotland to revoke the special permission for elite football – given the clubs and their governing bodies don’t seem to have their act together?
Don't think it's fair to punish all clubs tbh. I mean yes most clubs will have had breaches of some sort, some worse than others but most don't have these thunder****s and as far as I can tell most fans are raging to see it. Making the whole class stay back late is never a good idea.
The tools to handle it are all there and just not being used. Police action at the time, yes. Club specific penalty afterwards, yes. I don't see how it's any different from how you'd handle a riot or mass fighting after a match, usually. Instead, they've just been allowed to do it so of course it's going to keep on happening.
(the covid risk of a small gathering probably isn't that bad; but the risk of allowing repeated gatherings are)
As an English guy living in Scotland but not a follower of football, it's very interesting to read about football affiliations to things like SNP, lockdown etc. Much to learn.
Does anyone have any thoughts on when trail centres might open?
Anyway, and thoughts on when trail centres might open?
Open now. Or at least all the ones I'm in legal travel distance are I think.
I thought that Nicola Sturgeon had said that football was on a red card after Celtic Dubai trip and the Rangers footballers having a party on a Saturday night?
You cannot say such things and then not act.
In an act of pure genius we are undergoing an hmie inspection this week
If I were management, I would be seriously objecting to that on so many grounds.
Having been subject to Rangers fans tirade of abuse, foul language, sectarian chants and sexual innuendo on a flight before, I've no surprise they behave like this. The pilot had to call the police in Southampton - who didn't get to the airport on time.
I'm hoping that Scottish Government and SFA respond in a meaningful way. But I'm not holding my breath.
It’s not something I’m proud of, but I really do live in a bubble about this stuff.
It's not something to be ashamed of either, quite frankly if you can avoid that section of society you'll do well (football fannies as opposed to football fans)
Looks like "organised non-contact sports and organized group exercise" in groups of 15 adults is back on. I wonder what the definition of "organised" is/will be? Might be back to having a Covid Officer in place.
friday can meet outdoors 4 adults 2 households.
12-17 yos, 4 people, no household restrictions.
non contact sports, up to 15, allowed for everyone from friday.
I wonder what the definition of “organised” is/will be?
The last word I'd ever use to describe the group of mates I rides bikes with is "organised" 🙂
🙂
Thought about taking up cat herding? Or nailing blancmange to a wall?
If it's organized on Whatsapp will that count? 😉
Looks like “organised non-contact sports and organized group exercise” in groups of 15 adults is back on. I wonder what the definition of “organised” is/will be? Might be back to having a Covid Officer in place.
Though the Scot Gov website makes no mention of the need for it to be organised, just states group exercise.
"Outdoor non-contact sports and group exercise will also resume for adults in groups of up to to 15 people from this date."
https://www.gov.scot/news/changes-to-level-4-restrictions/
Whoah there, hold the fort, so can I meet up in a bigger group to go riding?
Though the Scot Gov website makes no mention of the need for it to be organised, just states group exercise.
“Outdoor non-contact sports and group exercise will also resume for adults in groups of up to to 15 people from this date.”
What do people make of the implication of this change for solo activity?*
I have to say that I will be extremely tempted to drive to the Tweed Valley this weekend. I live in the Borders but have been sticking to a very local interpretation of the 'local' exercise restriction. Surely if groups of 15 can now meet outside then me driving around an hour to ride alone in a forest can't really even be frowned upon.
*fnar fnar
Though the Scot Gov website makes no mention of the need for it to be organised, just states group exercise.
Yeah, that's just the text of the announcement. I'd expect more detail to be published by Friday. "Organised" previously meant according to the guidance laid out by the sports governing body (e.g. Cycling UK / SportScotland).
What do people make of the implication of this change for solo activity?*
None whatsoever. The advice is still not to travel.
me driving around an hour to ride alone in a forest can’t really even be frowned upon.
Your choice. Given some of the ass-hattery around, I certainly wouldn't condemn you for it. And don't tell anyone but I drove for 25 minutes to go for a walk yesterday.
big_scot_nanny
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Whoah there, hold the fort, so can I meet up in a bigger group to go riding?
yes, travel restrictions still in place mind. will be more to come.
Updated 9th March
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/
Some of the rules on what you can and cannot do will change on Friday 12 March:
- up to 4 adults from up to 2 households can meet outdoors – you should still stay as close to home as possible
- adults can take part in outdoor non-contact sport and organised group exercise in groups of up to 15 people
Examples of reasonable excuses to go out:
- local outdoor informal exercise such as walking, cycling, golf, or running (in groups of up to 2 people, plus any children under 12, from no more than 2 households). Exercise can start and finish at a place in your local authority area (or up to 5 miles from its boundary), but you should travel no further than you need to reach to a safe, non-crowded place to exercise in a physically distanced way.
Yeah. I know...
Guess which bit I'd be adhering too? 😁
Just seen this on the ScotGov page
Updated guidance and regulations will be published on Friday 12 March to reflect these changes.
It wouldn't surprise me if the difference between organised and informal was back to how it was before - needing the appointment of a Covid Officer and following certain guidelines.
I grabbed this from the Scottish Cycling page, relating to last Autumn.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the difference between organised and informal was back to how it was before – needing the appointment of a Covid Officer and following certain guidelines.
I’ll go further - I will be staggered if this is not the distinction. The legislation already has the wording explaining organised in there - so it will need to be run under the covid rules of a national governing body.
Apologies in advance...
That is the clincher for me as far as compliance is concerned, this is setting up a shambles when we are allowed to travel. As soon as we are allowed out our area then you can meet 4 adults, in fact; you could argue 15 for a "organised group exercise." All within their LA of course meaning honeypot sites will be heaving. It is going to be utter carnage the next three weeks trying to make their mental back to school plan work and then stay within 5 miles of LA during the Easter holidays and beyond because the fun sponge says so? If I am lucky I might get allowed up the hills sometime in a couple of months time, depending on tier and the afterthought of tacking it on? Not happening, lockdown ends 3 weeks on Friday. I will put her £400 towards fines.
Ahhhh....thanks for listening; feel better for that.
The car parks at the local “honeypot” sites have been packed pretty much all through this lockdown. Far more busy than a normal February. Presumably because there is little else to do. Yet the numbers have dropped more sharply than anybody predicted, which would tend to suggest that people meeting outside isn’t really an issue anyway.
We had closed the pumptrack but it opens Friday.
Like Duckman I'll be laughing at the back to school three week timetable that is nigh on impossible to follow and seems to do no one any favours.
So three weeks time I'll be riding what I fancy (within authority, ScotBorders and probably solo). I'm royally peeved at the moment.
Just been told that a couple of 30something triathletes with no underlying health conditions and who been training better because they now work from home have had the Jag because their pal is a volunteer and rang them to come in. My 80 to dad got it the same week as they did.
. It is going to be utter carnage the next three weeks trying to make their mental back to school plan work
It's what the unions wanted too, or at least the EIS, they pushed really hard for blended learning. My feeling is that they haven't really represented their members on this. I could have a skewed view but all the teachers I know think blended learning is going to be a load of heartache for staff and pupils for minimal benefit.
My school has split the senior pupils alphabetically into 3 cohorts and each attends on separate days. Sounds sensible until you see the fine detail, I have one cohort that contains 13 pupils (5 too many for the room) so they might not even get to see a geography teacher in the contact time. Another cohort contains just 1 pupil. That's going to be pretty intense. These kids have got a shitty deal and all I can do is try to do my best for whoever lands in front of me. At least it's just for three weeks.
Pupil anxiety is already through the roof and loads of complicated arrangements don't help.
Pupil anxiety is already through the roof and loads of complicated arrangements don’t help.
This sums up a lot of the things I'm hearing.
I think there is a difficult full year ahead as pupils of all ages settle back in.
The whole situation remains difficult and painful. It's easy for us to complain and it's easy to grumble. I'm stuck in my council area like everyone else who doesn't have a solid work related reason to travel. It's much harder to come up with workable options on how to reduce damage enough that we don't get repeatedly overwhelmed by infection rates, time and again. The controls have to be tight and they have to be detailed and they'll never accurately deal with all situations. For us as individuals, it isn't really that complicated or even that difficult day to day. Don't be a dick; be careful when you are out to avoid groups or strangers; look after yourself and those you care about.
Whatever very limited harm arises from our individual outdoor actions will be minimal, more especially when compared with those of that total asshat who thought 'Eat Out to Help Out' was a sensible idea or those people who had foreign holidays last year or Xmas with their families, both of which has so clearly led to massive increases in infections and lots of extra deaths. The end is not in sight yet and it could clearly still get a lot worse again before it gets better. I think this last point is what a lot of folk are not currently seeing, where desires and hopes for a better spring with families, friends and outdoors are drawing many folk out a bit too soon.
We split the timetable in August. Every period became doubles 1,3,6 week A 2,4,7 week B period 5 stays single. Now we have school A and school B coming on a rota. In practice my AH class gets 7 periods over 3 weeks.
We split the timetable in August. Every period became doubles 1,3,6 week A 2,4,7 week B
We did this at the start of this lockdown but we've reverted to the single week for the return. Visualising what timetable structures mean in practice is definitely not my strong point so I rarely spot problems, I leave that bit to colleagues whose brains work that way!
I guess the next few weeks with schools opening we will see what happens to the infection rates. No doubt the numbers will rise. Also after April. Will be an interesting few weeks. Seeing the vaccine work on lowering case numbers vs just lockdown restrictions.
No doubt the numbers will rise
I'm not convinced that's a given but I'm also not willing to make any alternative predictions!
Yep, interesting indeed.
I wonder how/when the government/experts will make the flip to not looking at case numbers as the indicator of trouble.
. It is going to be utter carnage the next three weeks trying to make their mental back to school plan work
It’s what the unions wanted too, or at least the EIS, they pushed really hard for blended learning. My feeling is that they haven’t really represented their members on this. I could have a skewed view but all the teachers I know think blended learning is going to be a load of heartache for staff and pupils for minimal benefit.
I want to scream at someone for getting our hopes up about kids going back to school, when in reality the letter from the school yesterday reveals that the situation is going to be even worse over the next three weeks.
Pointless though, may as well shout at the clouds.
With an S1 and S3 child, they each get one day in school over the next three weeks. Meanwhile, because the teachers are now in school they are not delivering online content.
Not one day a week, just one solitary day.
Absolute farce.
The kids who are in school also need to go through the nonsense of mask wearing. Yay for following the science!
well said Highlandman
The kids who are in school also need to go through the nonsense of mask wearing. Yay for following the science!
Not quite sure I get you. do you mean you do not believe in masks helping?
Luxury 100th! Six over 3 for us. I wonder how many parent will have got the letter we sent out yesterday, seen what was on offer and gone; "nah, after Easter is grand thanks." When I had delusions of grandeur I did the course about 6 years ago. Took me a full 5 mins to work out how it "works" when I saw version 86 yesterday.
Meanwhile, because the teachers are now in school they are not delivering online content.
Not one day a week, just one solitary day.
This is a decision the school has taken, other schools are maintaining some form of online delivery.
The kids who are in school also need to go through the nonsense of mask wearing.
Going to have to agree to disagree on that one.
Meanwhile, because the teachers are now in school they are not delivering online content.
Not one day a week, just one solitary day.
Absolute farce
As a rep I checked this with 3 neighbouring authorities. They are all continuing online teaching, hence "blended"
Meanwhile, because the teachers are now in school they are not delivering online content.
Not one day a week, just one solitary day.
Everywhere I know is delivering face to face, increasing most weeks, and maintaining home/remote/online tasks. If anything, the workload just jumped up again for teachers.
Yep, interesting indeed.
I wonder how/when the government/experts will make the flip to not looking at case numbers as the indicator of trouble
With how this virus spreads and when you are free to move about with services open in your council area and vaccines down to 40 should yield some interesting data.
England now with schools back open, lets see what happens.
Everywhere I know is delivering face to face, increasing most weeks, and maintaining home/remote/online tasks. If anything, the workload just jumped up again for teachers.
Yeah, wasn't meant as a dig at teachers, it's clearly a nightmare for them.
Not quite sure I get you. do you mean you do not believe in masks helping?
I believe in the data showing that a properly fitted, fresh N95 mask helps.
But not in the data showing a basic cloth mask helps?
Yeah, wasn’t meant as a dig at teachers, it’s clearly a nightmare for them.
I think my bigger worry (and one I head mention in a meeting with Scot.Gov. folk last week, is that the impact or lockdown on pupils mental, social and physical health will take a long time to heal. Arguably much more than the academic achievement, and of course HwB is one of the main indicators of academic achievement, and lets not forget one of the three Attainment targets.
Happy, healthy and socially connected children learn better. Who knew?
An example: a teacher was saying yesterday they are observing how noisy the younger children are as they come back face to face. They also are observing already language development in many of the young children is behind where it would usually be. The children are therefore struggling to communicate as well, don't have some of the tools that schools would have helped them express themselves.
Like first week of term / school on steroids - and that it is going to take months if not years to work through.
I want to scream at someone for getting our hopes up about kids going back to school, when in reality the letter from the school yesterday reveals that the situation is going to be even worse over the next three weeks.
In who's perception is it worse? Here the feeling seems to be positive (one day a week in class, 4 at home essentially as the status quo). I've listened in to a few of the teachers talking to the pupils and they seem as excited to be back next week as the kids. I'm quite sure those 3 days in the class will make no direct difference to whether someone becomes a brain surgeon or rocket scientist - but I'm pretty sure its going to have a positive effect on moral and hopefully means after easter the focus can be more on learning.
Friend of mine suggested that the entire 20-21 academic year from pre-school nursery to graduation at uni be written off and every single student resits the year. Obviously there will be downsides but for simplicity and quality of education, it isn't a bad shout when we see the current mess.
Ffs I'm depressed. All I want to do is hit Golfie with the laddie.
It's not even that far away.
Friend of mine suggested that the entire 20-21 academic year from pre-school nursery to graduation at uni be written off and every single student resits the year. Obviously there will be downsides but for simplicity and quality of education, it isn’t a bad shout when we see the current mess.
What do we do about the cohort of pre-nursery kids? People haven't stopped being born. Putting everyone back a year isn't a temporary measure, it'd be forever.
That's exactly right, everyone starts P1 a year later, much like many other countries. We keep it that way forever.
Friend of mine suggested that the entire 20-21 academic year from pre-school nursery to graduation at uni be written off and every single student resits the year. Obviously there will be downsides but for simplicity and quality of education, it isn’t a bad shout when we see the current mess.
Its a ridiculous shout. Do you think that all students across all stages from 2-22 have learned nothing in the last 12 months? It might well be the case that there is an argument for not moving everyone on in waves each 12 months and progression being decided on something other than age - but to write off a year would be rather brutal for students who have progressed despite the issues. Especially since there is no certainty that come Aug/Sept the world will be back to normal. And no idea what would happen to employers like teaching, nursing, medicine, etc who need a new cohort of graduates to come in and fill the vacancies.
Friend of mine suggested that the entire 20-21 academic year from pre-school nursery to graduation at uni be written off and every single student resits the year. Obviously there will be downsides but for simplicity and quality of education, it isn’t a bad shout when we see the current mess.
At first glance this might look like a half decent idea but with a bit of reflection it becomes clear that it isn't for a whole host of reasons some of which poly has mentioned. It might be appropriate for some secondary pupils to re do some subjects but that's going to be the exception rather than the rule.
Cohort intake into the workplace is a fairly obvious downside that we did discuss. Brightest who achieve despite the difficulties could opt to go through but the default for most would still be to repeat the year. Another downside is the impact of keeping a parent off work longer for pre-schoolers. A reset isn't without consequence, particularly for those at the beginning and end of the education conveyor belt but, given that it benefits the majority already in the system, the idea is hardly ridiculous. Considering the current home schooling / blended learning / key worker hokey cokey fustercluck and massively varied impact of distance learning for some FE practical & vocational courses over academia, less compromised by distance learning, it is probably worth serious consideration. The benefits far, far outweigh the downsides.
Friend of mine suggested that the entire 20-21 academic year from pre-school nursery to graduation at uni be written off and every single student resits the year. Obviously there will be downsides but for simplicity and quality of education, it isn’t a bad shout when we see the current mess.
There is a huge underlying assumption to this idea that the only learning and development that takes place for children is somehow between hours of 9-3, at some randomly nominated building, that only teachers can deliver/inflict any kind of learning and that children have to be forced through this factory of education.....etc.
So wrong.
The benefits far, far outweigh the downsides.
You are going to have to spell out the benefits.
Brightest who achieve despite the difficulties could opt to go through but the default for most would still be to repeat the year.
Basically everyone who wanted to move on would move on because there's no way it could be made compulsory. And that's the end of the idea because given the choice, most kids/parents would choose to move on I think. Having the option to repeat should be there but not be the norm. Whe've had enough stuff messed up by the pandemic let's not choose to mess other stuff up too!
it is probably worth serious consideration
To have any chance of working (still none!) it would need to have been in place months ago so that ship has well and truly sailed.
We are on a fortnightly timetable too single to start, all doubles then mostly. Cuts down movement