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That’s the way I read it too TJ. I as planning to ride next week and if I take the road bike out it’ll definitely cross borders. Sadly there is no good MTB ride that I could do starting within around 5 miles
seosamh77
Funny how you chose to ignore this line eh?
Bet social media is just as full of group rides, folk up hills etc
But as you are a bigot, I am glad you were annoyed enough to try and score points. Ironic you mentioning prejudices bearing in mind what you have been banned from here for!
But as you are a bigot
Cringe.
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seosamh77Bet social media is just as full of group rides, folk up hills etc
Never missed that at all, interesting you seem to view them as exclusively middle class activities though, and outwith the interests of "scheme goblins"..
btw, anyone know what legislation covers current travel restrictions? Curious to read the actually legality around it all?
I'm not sure it's published yet Joe, usually takes a couple of days to be published in detail. Then another couple of days for more changes!.
I'm trying to view houses in Dumfries as mines sold does viewing class as essential.
Moving does but I need to view to buy...
Looks like you can but virtual viewings initially if possible
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-moving-home/pages/advice-to-the-public/#propertymoves
Never said that either,but you crack on. Like I said, I think it's funny that you have to try and distort what I said to have a go. Thanks for the upgrade in social class by the way!
And back to the thread.
I'm not likely to buy a house of a virtual view.
Tbf I'm so picky I'm all over google maps planning sites ect that by the point I've making an appointment I'm not kicking its tyres if you know what I mean.
Nobeerinthefridge
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I’m not sure it’s published yet Joe, usually takes a couple of days to be published in detail. Then another couple of days for more changes!.
haha true! 😆
Tbf I’m so picky I’m all over google maps planning sites ect that by the point I’ve making an appointment I’m not kicking its tyres if you know what I mean.
You should be fine, just need to check with the local agent/solicitor.
I am going to have to look very carefully at the rules for riding for exercise as I live in the city and most of my commonly used routes take me out of the city. riding within the city is somewhat limited
We're in same boat TJ, was planning a 'simple' road ride on Saturday but having checked it actually leaves Lothian and passes through West Lothian, Falkirk, Clackmannanshire, Fife and back into Lothian...
West Lothian is the only Tier 4 area and as it's the first area we would pass through the likelihood of us having to stop is pretty minimal.
BUUUUUT... since our route was supposed to be an homage to the classics, we could just stick within Lothian and do a tour of the city centre cobbles
The City Centre route could be quite fun and given the forecast headwinds on Saturday I'm not even sure I want to visit Skinflats, could be blowy...
If yo do the city route gies a shout - I'll join you on my fatty and glide over the cobbles 🙂
Found out what the laws are in relation to level 4(well all levels are in it, I'm only concerned about 4 at the minute though. 😆 ).
Under scottish statutory instruments, specifically:
The Health Protection (Coronavirus) (Restrictions and Requirements) (Local Levels) (Scotland) Regulations 2020
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2020/344/contents
Doesn't look like the travel restrictions are in yet(i've just scan read so far mind), I think that's why sturgeon is in parliament the morra and they'll be adding an amendment No3? which will come into force on friday I guess.
Yep, all.this discussion is hypothetical until we see what Friday brings.
We’re in same boat TJ, was planning a ‘simple’ road ride on Saturday but having checked it actually leaves Lothian and passes through West Lothian, Falkirk, Clackmannanshire, Fife and back into Lothian…
West Lothian is the only Tier 4 area and as it’s the first area we would pass through the likelihood of us having to stop is pretty minimal.
Feel free to go beyond the regulations if you don't feel it is safe but the rules are that..
Local outdoor informal exercise such as walking, cycling, golf, or running (in groups of up to 6 people from no more than 2 households) that starts and finishes at the same place
...is an exception so you can do it if you want to.
We dodged level 4! North Ayrshire was one of the worse places at one point so that's pretty good. Not so good that all the skating is cancelled since KA decided the best use for the rink at Auchenharvie was to put a sodding gym on it and the other pads we have a chance of accessing are in Level 4 areas.
@nobeerinthefridge your wee ones horse riding should be okay under the rules as it's (presumably) outdoors and non-contact.
@squirrelking Stables put out a communication last night that they were only taking members from within East Ayrshire, understandable as they're protecting their business.
North Ayrshires decisions around the ice rink there are baffling tbh, the only folk that use the gyms are paying buttons, as everyone else who isn't on benefits of some sort are using cheaper private gyms.
That's fair enough I guess, it keeps things simple as well.
It's the usual up here though, KA is totally opaque and uninterested in maintaining it's facilities. Sad that a private curling rink (relying solely on the figure skating clubs) could run a full pad but a public body can't.
Meanwhile, South Ayrshire is closing and knocking down a leisure facility that they can't break even on (>£600k per annum losses) and building a brand new one in the middle of town that will lose even more money, cos it'll be shite. The Magnum all over again.
Edit - Sorry, we've gone completely off topic again!
North Ayrshires decisions around the ice rink there are baffling tbh, the only folk that use the gyms are paying buttons, as everyone else who isn’t on benefits of some sort are using cheaper private gyms.
Not really. I'd say the majority are full payment members and the footfall vastly outnumbers the amount of rink users. I do feel for the regular rink users but the utilisation of the space has been for a majority. AFAIK a lot of the private gyms are too small to accommodate any great numbers and I'm not sure how many reopened.
And there speaks a KA gym user! 🙂
I'm on my way in the next half an hour. I'll do a dole scrounger head count. Talking to a guy on Tuesday and it's been a huge benefit since reopening as he's been WFH.
Gyms re-opening was a massive step back to normality for me and I am sure a lot of folk. My council one is really well run since opening back up. I get a cooncil discount, but the private gym is about 50% dearer.
My gym reopening is the only thing that's stopped me going postal tbh. I've been WFH the entire time. Have barely saw anyone who isn't my Mrs. Haven't been near anyone's house in months.
Getting to my wee private gym for a session after work and getting to talk to the coaches there has been an absolute life saver for me. Absolutely gutted they're closing on friday
oh well, my mum had a fall in the night, lives on her own, in Renfrewshire, aged 87. I am South Lanarkshire. I was there about 430am, council care responders beat me to it as she pulled her emergency neck cord. She was ambulanced to hospital in Paisley a few hrs ago, fall being a product of something, rather than the problem.. No visiting as both Tier 3, though they do allow end of life visits... shite really 🙁
Aye, shite. Here's hoping it's only temporary and she makes a good comeback. (as you may recall) my wife works in the community NHS system looking after mostly elderly folk. Falls aren't uncommon and most of her clients bounce back*
*maybe bounce is the wrong word 😉
that's really shit to hear Iain. hope she's OK and as scotroutes says, bounces back 😉
Hope your Mum gets over this, Iain. I had a similar call about my Dad last week. He's 86 and lives on his own, in North Lanarkshire. Called to say he'd had a fall and uncertain if it was broken arm, collar bone, dislocated shoulder or some combo. It took over 4 hours for ambulance before we decided to move him ourselves. We would have done it sooner but he was in so much pain he couldn't handle it. He was very reticent to explain the circumstances though: he was up a ladder cleaning leaves out of the gutter and fell off. Damage was limited to a dislocated shoulder which was sorted out, thank goodness. Hope you get good news soon
Not really. I’d say the majority are full payment members and the footfall vastly outnumbers the amount of rink users. I do feel for the regular rink users but the utilisation of the space has been for a majority.
That may be but how did the Galleon manage to maintain their pad? Surely there was somewhere else in the 3 towns or even the entire campus that the gym equipment could have been put?
Fact is ice provision by KA is an issue that's been rumbling along far longer than this year, they insist they don't make enough money but refuse to open longer hours to allow ice time into the evening like every other rink. As far as most are concerned this is just another attempt to shut it down. I really don't get it, if you look at the schedule for most rinks there's barely any public time due to them being fully booked out.
Anyway, I digress, I get folk are benefitting from them and that's not my gripe, just the way they have gone about it.
Nobeerinthefridge
The Magnum all over again.
Hawl! magnum centre used to be brilliant! 😆 done may a trip to the flumes down there in the 80s!
Which was my point, left tae go tae ruin, then a shitey wee pool built in town to replace it!.
ah! cool, tbh, just been googling, never knew it'd been demolished, shame, was class, fond memories!
My sisters boyfriend used to work in the printworks that did the bands for the flumes, you mind them? plastic wrist bands that got punched out? used to bring me a box of them, happy days!.
Aye, it's basically a field now, long gone.
Last memory of The Magnum was a Fun Lovin Criminals gig when Huey got boo’d off the stage... Ayrshire at its best.. 🤣
Are the Ayr baths still there? I was always terrified of the top diving board!
Myopic - sorry I laughed when you said he’d fallen off a ladder ! My mum had ‘a fall’ and turns out she’s been up a ladder trimming a blinking tree, she’s 77 and mostly blind FFs ! 😂
I went and sorted her out and she was somewhat sheepish, 2 Gins and she confessed 😂
Anyway I hope he mends well and iainc your mum recovers.
Thanks to all who have wished well for my mother. Sorry, I had to vent it off somewhere !
I went to see Jurassic Park at the Magnum.
What was the name of the super steep flume the put in it? The Space Bowl?
The Space Bowl
Yip
@Boardinbob aye, they're still there for now, getting knocked down and new place opening in the town centre, allegedly.
A mate of mine bellyflopped off that, still makes me wince!
Which was my point, left tae go tae ruin, then a shitey wee pool built in town to replace it!.
I'm gonnae disagree again, the Portal does have a few problems but the pool isn't one. Really is nice and looks great for meets. The gym is a cracker too and I've only looked in the hall but again looks ideal. The access is terrible,though we haven't had too many problems and the kids pool has been closed a few times with the adjustable floor being problematic. Ideally it would have been built at Volvo.
As for the Magnum, loads of folk lamented it's fall but alas the same folk never used it. Any time we went it was deserted. Mismanagement probably played a part as hiring any of the larger halls was crazy expensive compared to hiring a school hall for instance. Might have been by design to close it but it was long drawn out.
Back on topic, do we have sight of the law around travel for exercise? Is it strictly within LA area or the 5 mile thing?
Nobeerinthefridge
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My sisters boyfriend used to work in the printworks that did the bands for the flumes, you mind them? plastic wrist bands that got punched out? used to bring me a box of them, happy days!.
vaguely mind something about bands, but aye that woulda been the berries!
BoardinBob
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Back on topic, do we have sight of the law around travel for exercise? Is it strictly within LA area or the 5 mile thing?Posted 4 minutes ago
think the morra not noticed anything up yet.
As for the Magnum, loads of folk lamented it’s fall but alas the same folk never used it. Any time we went it was deserted.
Don't be naive, it was managed to decline, no investment, not repairing flumes was death knell.
That's why it was dead, there was **** all left in it by the time it fell doon.
Anyway, Jeanne Freeman's vaccination plan is ambitious, one million done by end of January, full country by spring?.
Talk about heaping pressure on yourself. Let's hope she's right.
From Link which looks to be the new legislation for Tier 3/4 travel rules. Quite surprised they're giving us the 5 miles outside but helpful for Glasgow city in particular I guess.
14.—(1) A person who lives in a Level 4 area must not leave or remain away from that area.
(2) But a person who lives in a Level 4 area may leave the area in order to travel to another part of the same area.
Examples of reasonable excuse -
(t) exercise outdoors, provided that the exercise—
(i) is not organised, and
(ii) starts and ends at the same place, which place must be—
(aa) in the local government area in which the person lives, or
(bb) within 5 miles of such local government area,
Also interesting/amusing (delete as appropriate) to note that border is closed!
Restrictions on entering Scotland
2.—(1) A person who lives in a place within the common travel area mentioned in paragraph 4 must not enter or remain in Scotland.
(2) But a person who does not live in Scotland may travel through Scotland in order to reach a place outwith Scotland.
Places in respect of which restrictions in this schedule apply
4. The places are—
(a) England,
(b) Northern Ireland,
(c) Republic of Ireland,
(d) Wales.
Still surprised that we're getting away with the exercise thing, I mean, I know it's very low risk in the scheme of things, but it seems to suggest a level of rational, reasonable thinking at political levels, which is nice.
Still think I'll stick to my Tier 3 or lower plans for the next few weeks, difficult when I'm smack bang on the border of a Tier 4!
13thfloormonk
Still think I’ll stick to my Tier 3 or lower plans
Sounds like tier 3 is limited to the local council area too tbh.
It'll be interesting to see how they try and enforce a border closure. Checkpoints on the M6/M74 and A1? Is this the SNP preparing for independence?
AFAIK there will be no enforcement, only the risk of being "found out".
Why would they bother with the illusion of enforcement. Laws work because people, in the main, agree with and follow them.
13th... Same, West Lothian literally starts at the top of the hill on the outskirt of my village, will be heading towards town for my lunchtime road ride for the next few weeks.
Gribs
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It’ll be interesting to see how they try and enforce a border closure. Checkpoints on the M6/M74 and A1? Is this the SNP preparing for independence?
Anpr checks on cars and camper vans in remote spots probably. If they bother at all.
In laws are still planning to visit the grandkids, going from tier 3 to tier 4 (and into one of the top 5 areas for rate of infection in the country) on saturday.
I love them dearly, but they just can't see the woods for the trees, I hope the polis stop them, I really do.
As much as I understand the travel restrictions, they still irk me. Probably just because I’m off work next week and I know if I was to head out somewhere I likely wouldn’t see another soul. Ah well, probably should just make my peace with the situation really
IainC Sorry to hear about your mum, hope she gets better. Not being able to visit is a horrible situation to be in.
Jumped off the dale at the Ayr bath's once .. more than 40 years ago you'll note that "once"😁
I am confused. I live in Renfrewshire, can I cross the Erskine bridge and go to Kilpatrick hills?
It's weird that months and months ago sturgeon said she wouldn't rule out closing the border Boris and co kept saying how awful and undemocratic that it was (and even claimed that no border existed). However, this time round when it's actually happened there's hardly any mention. Only a bried mention on BBC scotland and none on the main page and no MP or conservative has spoken out against it.
Not really sure what my point is just found it weird. Surely this has to be the first time in the history of the UK that it's been illegal to travel between the two - just thought it would have more attention
I am confused. I live in Renfrewshire, can I cross the Erskine bridge and go to Kilpatrick hills?
yes
either bike over there, there doesn't seem to be any specified limit to how far you ride from your house. or you can drive up to 5 miles from the LA border to a starting point.
My reading is that travel is by the "person", so no person should travel out with their area, with the 5 mile leeway to allow folks to escape the city.
scotroutes
Full MemberAFAIK there will be no enforcement, only the risk of being “found out”.
I think really egregious breaches- like, you are traced as a superspreader- might get to be a celebrity/warning case but yeah, it's really not designed to be enforced.
No idea if that'll work. There's a lot of people throwing poo frankly but I don't know if, statistically, that matters. Equally enforcing it might cause people to kick back more. It probably does help people with work, with cancelling things etc.
Given the friction down in the tweed valley I would expect the police will have a wee stop setup down there this weekend.
Only time in 25 years+ of driving that I've ever been pulled over was when leaving Innerleithen and the police were pulling folk in to the wee layby area down near the river. I'd be amazed if they're not setup there tomorrow
It’ll be interesting to see how they try and enforce a border closure. Checkpoints on the M6/M74 and A1? Is this the SNP preparing for independence?
I have to travel up for an 'exempt' activity in a week or so. Wondering how likely it is I'll have to explain myself to a friendly officer.
You'll be fine, there ain't enough cops around as it is, never mind police the roads.
Only a bried mention on BBC scotland and none on the main page and no MP or conservative has spoken out
Think FundellyMundelly Junior resigned from his front bench post over it. Which probably describes exactly what you say about the lack of reaction.
gordimhor
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Jumped off the dale at the Ayr bath’s once .. more than 40 years ago you’ll note that “once”😁Posted 11 hours ago
ja, I think a few of us did. Only time I tried it again was up ek dales! brutal! 😆
Given the friction down in the tweed valley I would expect the police will have a wee stop setup down there this weekend.
I did say yesterday to a friend that the Valley should be quiet over the weekend, but we'll see...
Aye, I reckon it's a cert the polis Will be there.
Care to elaborate on "friction" in the Tweed Valley?
I'm sure th 5 mile outside your local authority rule has nothing to do with Nicola Sturgeon living right on the edge of Glasgow 😉
Care to elaborate on “friction” in the Tweed Valley?
Locals being locals, but they do have some valid points.
There's a fair bit of noise on local discussion groups about how busy the usual places have been with people who're obviously not local. It doesn't take a genius to realise large groups with northern English or western central belt accents, are most likely not local, and then there is the apparent inability to count past 6.
Must be working, Thornielee was a ghost forest this morning
Suggestions for a day in Aberdeen, 8th December?
I have to travel down for an early morning MRI, so I'll have from about 10am until 6pm to kill time. If reasonable weather I'll just go walk about, but other than a fastfood crawl is there anywhere sheltered to kill time sensibly? Cinemas all look to be closed which would be a normal choice.
Ta.
Been to Annan and back today, M6 was quiet but not dead.
No police presence or any signs saying keep out you dirty disease ridden clarty bas$rds.
Just essential travel only markers on the gantry.
I was in Scotland about 45min.
longdog
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Get the train down to Stonehaven, (about 20 minutes) then walk up to Dunnoter via the war memorial. Then food in the Marine and train back.
Just noticed DFS is open, in tier 4.
Must be for those essential emergency sofas.