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Let's hope so. No one really knows, it's all part of a delicate balancing act.
I'm pleased to see the 2m rule being reinforced in supermarkets again, not before time. Too many folk, particularly oldies, think because they have a mask on they can push past to grab their stuff.
I do think they’re losing folks’ support
People will come back on message when the hospitals are overwhelmed.
It's pointless locking down the pubs etc. while the schools and universities are still open.
It’s pointless locking down the pubs etc. while the schools and universities are still open.
I disagree with this, shutting pubs etc removes a place where infection can and does occur. The fact that other places where infection can occur remain open does not negate that reduction in transmission.
Why is it pointless? Every restriction reduces transmission. We showed in March that shutting everything could reduce numbers quite quickly. Now we’re trying to find a level below that, which keeps levels roughly stable. So you don’t need to shut everything but do need to shut some things. In which case it’s just a matter of deciding what is more important; schools/universities or pubs/restaurants.
It’s pointless locking down the pubs etc. while the schools and universities are still open.
This is how I feel too. Lots of people moving randomly in a Brownian type motion, in a confined, poorly ventilated space taking little precautions against spreading the virus.
Why is it pointless?
Because to my mind, the amount of transmission in schools and universities is enough to ensure R remains above 1.
In which case it’s just a matter of deciding what is more important; schools/universities or pubs/restaurants.
Of course schools and universities are "more important" than pubs.
However, a lot more individuals attend school and university than go to pubs and kids spend all day at school.
If closing pubs reduces infection rates by 20%, then the R value is still going increase and the virus will spread.
Unless you think we should close the schools again?
We just need to live with this virus.
We just need to live with this virus.
trouble is for a lot of people that means dying with it
We can't "live with this virus" unless we accept the high number of deaths, the ongoing illness associated with it, overwhelming the NHS and the delayed/cancelled treatment of almost every other type of hospital intervention.
All decisions like this are ‘political’.
Let’s not forget, the schools never really closed in March, they just closed for the majority of pupils.
If we leave things too late we have to go back to lockdown, if we avert it, it’s the Y2K syndrome, see it was all a dud why did we have to go through that...
Whether you like it or not schools are vital for getting our economy back up and running. Schools are also designed to be adequately ventilated (some even have IAQ in room monitoring facilities!) and kids are a lot less susceptible to picking it up/getting ill. So pretty much the exact opposite of pubs then.
We ****ed the timing up the last time, can we really afford to do it again?
We can’t “live with this virus” unless we accept the high number of deaths, the ongoing illness associated with it, overwhelming the NHS and the delayed/cancelled treatment of almost every other type of hospital intervention.
So we need to fully lockdown again until we have vaccine?
The virus has already delayed and cancelled a huge number of treatments and delayed huge numbers of diagnosis.
Yes but it will spread more slowly. The idea is to slow the spread so that not everyone gets it at once thus not overwhelming the NHS , and fewer people end up getting it by the time a vaccine (hopefully) arrives. An R of 1.5 is better than a R of 3.
Schools are also designed to be adequately ventilated (some even have IAQ in room monitoring facilities!)
This is interesting. There is very poor air circulation in my school as far as I can tell. I’ve not heard of IAQ in room monitoring- how many classrooms in Scotland have this?
I’ve not heard of IAQ in room monitoring- how many classrooms in Scotland have this?
Literally no idea. It’s covered under the UK education Building Bulletin design guidance (101) and was first published early 2000’s I think. The two schools I’ve designed/engineered the mech services on in that period both have them...
It covers maintaining the CO2 concentration to <1500ppm as above this is deemed detrimental to children’s educational environment (ie their ability to pay attention/stay awake).
There is also clear guidance for avoidance of summertime overheating. Iirc this is included in Part L in England, but not Section 6 in Scotland.
BB101 (the above) is neither mandatory nor retrospective so sometimes doesn’t get fully implemented and can be difficult to rectify retrospectively. Gas regulations however are both so only really Science & CDT areas tend to get done.
There is very poor air circulation in my school as far as I can tell.
The mechanism provided to alleviate this issue is called a window. In my experience there is a high degree of user error or resistance to opening them...
Obviously this can prove problematic for achieving desired levels of thermal comfort, which is why the BB was significantly revised and update in 2018. Schools designed under the revision probably haven’t started on site yet, so will take a while to filter through on the ground.
There has been chatter about the BB being made mandatory in the next round of Building Reg updates, but lack of budget will make it just one more competing interest when the dreaded ‘VE’ hammer strikes...
Some good news on the horizon though, the change in SFT funding mechanism is pushing school design down the Passivhaus route which has MVHR at its core in order to achieve an annual energy consumption of 67kWh/m2/annum for core.
Remember that universities might be back but face to face teaching has been significantly reduced, so students are not sitting next to each other in packed lecture halls for hours at a time anymore.
That's the point though. We are all (in all sectors) trying to find a level of activity that allows things to carry on as much as possible while keeping the virus under control.
Are the current measures the right ones? Of course not. They are just the current best guess and will be refined based on what happens over the next few weeks. If numbers go down we can relax some things. If they go up we have to tighten some more. But which activities you decide to restrict will depend on how important you think they are. Both for society and in terms of transmission. Evidence on the latter is not great at the moment, but is getting a bit better all the time.
Rp’s post above +1
well, just back form a cycle there, came back through the town, sauchiehall street jammed with people. If I was a betting man, I'd bet on shops getting shut next.
If I was a betting man, I’d bet on shops getting shut next.
Hopefully not. Retail definitely won't survive another closure and putting millions more out work will have far worse consequences the leaving things as they are. It's almost like you think face coverings are utterly pointless and don't make any real difference to transmission.
Me? I think they offer limited help to protect others and wear one when in crowded places (prefer just avoiding crowded places as a better course of action tbh), but they won't stop the rise on their own.
Anyhow, All i'm saying is it's the next logical step if these measures don't work. Hopefully they do and it's a moot point.
They could usefully reintroduce the "one shopper per household" rule for supermarkets again. It's nonsense having a 2m rule while there are family groups in, especially when they are scattering throughout the store.
^^^ I hate to think what the Aviemore Tesco is like right now .... cramped at the best of times, add in 2m distancing and changeover day at the beginning of the school holiday week.. 🙄
Me? I think they offer limited help to protect others and wear one when in crowded places (prefer just avoiding crowded places as a better course of action tbh), but they won’t stop the rise on their own.
There seems to be some evidence that they reduce viral load and therefore severity of disease if you get infected by that route. Although like so much else to do with covid we still don't know enough about that.
What's it like round peoples areas this time anyhow? Utterly rife around here, know about 5 people, including my auld man that have got it in the last week. Loads been told to self isolate.
A lot closer to home this time round anyhow.
Never knew anyone before this. I said last time, bet you there's few that know a lot of people with it and the majority won't know many . hmm, defo true.
I hate to think what the Aviemore Tesco is like right now
I never use it Iain. As you say, cramped in the best of circumstances.
What’s it like round peoples areas this time anyhow? Utterly rife around here
I don't personally know anyone who has contracted it since April. No stories of local outbreaks since Grantown on Spey which was a few weeks back and died out pretty quickly.
One person I know with confirmed covid. Very unfortunate circumstances and potentially serious.
We have one person in our department who's just returned. Last time only one person caught it. That's out of about 150odd folk on a site of many times that.
I had no idea 2m wasn't a thing any more, in fairness most folk were still playing the game. School drop off is turning into a riot though.
As for pubs, they got a free pass for months whilst everyone else was stuck with their thumbs up their arse, yes it's bad for the folk with no furlough to fall back in this time but welcome to the world, plenty of folk never had it first time round. That doesn't make it right but I'd like to hope it makes it a hotter issue.
Jason Leitch tells it like it is:
Scotland's national clinical director, Prof Jason Leitch, said he had "absolute sympathy for every sector that has had to take a hit".
But he told BBC Scotland's Off The Ball programme: "I also have sympathy for the thousand people who caught the virus yesterday, and the five people who died and their families. So all things are relative.
"Yes, we absolutely want every industry to get back to normal - football, elite sport, pubs and hospitality, oil and gas, everything.
"But there comes a time when the numbers reach a certain point and you've got to do things you don't want to do."
seosamh77 - when you say it's rife, how many of those you are aware of are asymptomatic?
3 I don't really know how they are getting on just friends of friends, 2 as far as I've heard have very mild symptoms, so do have some, but I don't know specifics or get too regularly updated. My auld man isn't doing great tbh. very up and down, when down very fatigued, lost appetite and taste, headaches, for the last while, not changing much. I'll be wanting him to have a word with a doc on monday if not any better, just to get some advice. Got him a thermometer and pulse ox meter, just to keep an eye on those things, as I think they'll be indicators if he's getting worse or not. Just need to see what happens.
So defo 6, now I think about it, that I know with positive tests in the last week, there's been a few others over the last month as well, don't know too much about them though, just people you hear of, know distantly.
tbh I would imagine most have symptoms, not really meant to get a test unless you are symptomatic, no?
, not really meant to get a test unless you are symptomatic, no?
That's my understanding .
Probably just down to more testing Joe.
I can't think of anyone I know who I've heard of being positive, lots of anecdotal stuff around though. There's a shit load of footballers now as well!.
I knew of a couple in early summer, a couple in my running club who both recovered, and a friend from my old workplace who sadly didn't. 😔
All government decisions should be announced on Off The Ball, it works great.
gobuchul
Free MemberSo we need to fully lockdown again until we have vaccine?
We have never "fully locked down" in the first place. One of the problems in the UK in general, we did a wishy-washy half-lockdown that sort of worked, then we stopped it too early, and now people think both that lockdowns don't work, and that every inconvenience is terrible because it's almost as bad as the "full lockdown".
I think if we'd ever had a real lockdown, we'd have taken the freedom that follows much more seriously.
I think if we’d ever had a real lockdown, we’d have taken the freedom that follows much more seriously.
Unfortunately I doubt it.
What’s it like round peoples areas this time anyhow? Utterly rife around here, know about 5 people, including my auld man that have got it in the last week. Loads been told to self isolate.
Positive case in our school staff this week. Not someone I'd had any contact with but several other staff and pupils now isolating. Brings it home somewhat.
We have never “fully locked down” in the first place. One of the problems in the UK in general, we did a wishy-washy half-lockdown that sort of worked, then we stopped it too early, and now people think both that lockdowns don’t work, and that every inconvenience is terrible because it’s almost as bad as the “full lockdown”.
So you don't want to "live with it" and the UK didn't do "full lockdown", what do you suggest?
Welding doors shut to keep people inside?
Shut everything down and just accept all of the issues with that to "stop" the virus?
Until we have the vaccine then as soon as we lift controls it will spread again.
So total lockdown until next Spring? That won't cause any issues will it?
4 staff out of a wee bit over 80 total last term and a few kids as well, most linked to an outbreak in a local engineers. One kid also known as "the germ" for however long he stays with us for his non-masked-hinging-with-covid ways. My other half got it in April along with a pile of colleagues from an old lady they took to Dundee,tested negative and brought back to her ward. Having seen the kicking it gave her ( cyclist/tri and trail half marathon runner) and continues to do,it looks awful. Hope your Dad gets better soon SS77.
61 cases in Shetland over all out of 23,000 people. A few cases have been attributed to us though due to the people being registered here, but not here when infected. Last cases a few weeks back. I know two of the people through work, the only other person I personally know who's had it is someone I know in Holland.
Delays in NHS services have affected me, but not a much/seriously as others. Review of meds with cardiologist is 4 months over due, but no real issue.
Biggest issue is I can't get my steroid injections in my wrists as injection clinics are not running and when I rang to ask they have no idea when they will restart. It means I struggle with manual tasks due to pain (when bad struggle to use a knife/fork) and riding is restricted to road (and suffer after), off road is just not possible.
I know its people's businesses and living, but in no way can I see access to alcohol being essential. Education is vital for a whole range of reasons and has long term knock on issues for, what millions(?)
So you don’t want to “live with it” and the UK didn’t do “full lockdown”, what do you suggest?
Welding doors shut to keep people inside?
Shut everything down and just accept all of the issues with that to “stop” the virus?
AFAIK nobody needed their doors welding in Spain. That's the alternative. That's what full lockdown looks like. Nobody allowed out save for essential errands. Ours was more like their stage 3.
AFAIK nobody needed their doors welding in Spain.
But their numbers weren't much different from ours?
Especially when you consider population density.
Also they have a much warmer climate, which does make a difference as well.
Nobody allowed out save for essential errands
So you want to close the schools again?
Close the cancer clinics?
Finish off retail?
Finish theatre and cinema?
All the mental health issues?
This thing is not going away until there is a vaccine and/or herd immunity.
I'm just about to come out of app notified isolation got a test negative. What I didn't get was I seemed to be the only one told.to isolate. Then I heard that some staff were saying they'd deleted the app as they'd heard that school staff were not to use it.
This thing is not going away until there is a vaccine and/or herd immunity.
And there's no guarentee of either of those things... so until things are better known and understood, it's a balancing act of surpressing the virus vs the economy / societal issues / other health issues / etc
And there’s no guarentee of either of those things
No, but there's definitely grounds for optimism on the vaccine front I think.
No, but there’s definitely grounds for optimism on the vaccine front I think.
Aye, I think that's one of the reasons we seem to be just nursing this along, and not having drastic action.
In other news, pubs in arran shut despite no positive covid tests on the island since may.
Now thats bonkers.
There’s a reason pubs on Arran are shut. That’s were all the Weegies go and Weegieland is the Covid hotspot of Scotland.
Wife got a bit nervous in Fort Augustus today when a family passed with broad weegie accents. Luckily it was outside, plenty of ventilation 🤪
There’s a reason pubs on Arran are shut. That’s were all the Weegies go and Weegieland is the Covid hotspot of Scotland
Aye, that would explain all the cases there. Good logic.
Oh so I need to spell it out....doh. Pubs shut in Weegieland, pubs open on Arran. Recipe for disaster... as it’s only a short hop away.
Not really, the ferry is only at 20% capacity, you need to book well in advance, even as a foot passenger, and people can still drink at home, I wouldn't see it being an issue.
I know a couple of pub owners over there, really feel for them tbh.
In other news, pubs in arran shut despite no positive covid tests on the island since may
Responsible pub land lords at their best.
Oh no wait. Geographical area. Can't change that.
Your quite right it is very tough on the responsible hospitality folk. What should happen is the government should fully support the shut downs to ensure the businesses survive.
I suppose all the weegies will all go to Sinbads in Dunoon now 🤪
aberdeenlune
Free Member
Oh so I need to spell it out….doh. Pubs shut in Weegieland, pubs open on Arran. Recipe for disaster… as it’s only a short hop away.
There wouldn't be a mass exodus to arran just for a couple of pubs 😆
So you want to close the schools again?
Close the cancer clinics?
Finish off retail?
Finish theatre and cinema?
All the mental health issues?
No.
I was explaining the difference between a lockdown and what we experienced.
None of those industries need to be "finished off", it's a purely political choice to stand by with their thumbs up their arse doing nothing. But FWIW I do think we could stand to trim some fat, I sure as hell wouldn't be sad to see the back of the Braeheads* and Silverburns of the world. Don't talk to me about mental health, people with far bigger issues have been getting ignored for years already, this is nothing new.
Maybe with a bit of political prudence we would be better equipped to deal with this as a nation. But no, we are still lagging behind such international heavyweights as Estonia when it comes to digital infrastructure and have used the NHS as a football for decades. If nothing else it shows what a pathetic waste of space our governments of every colour have been. No money for actual future proofing that won't earn votes but plenty for road extensions and bridges that nobody is able to use.
*not far off in this case unless that £Bn black hole has somehow been plugged
There wouldn’t be a mass exodus to arran just for a couple of pubs 😆
I could just imagine the queues all the way down Glasgow Street for the Arran booze cruise.
You probably think I'm joking, if you ever saw the pish we have to deal with in Largs just for the Millport ferry you'd think again.
As a long exiled West coaster it does my heart good to hear that Millport is still a popular destination and folk get in the mood for it by trashing Largs.
In other news, pubs in arran shut despite no positive covid tests on the island since may.
Now thats bonkers.
Arran (and indeed other islands) have a dichotomy though - argue that they are their own bubble and should be exempted from rules that the rest of the country (or their local authority / health board as appropriate) face OR say we are open to the public, we welcome visitors and we accept that comes with some identified risks (which may be even higher as there are no ICU facilities on the island).
The only solution I can see is to actually score each premises on the actual measures they have in place (and how well they are applied), so that high scoring premises get to stay open when low scoring ones do not. This would be fairer, provide an incentive to up your covid game (because as phases change you would benefit), and at the same time mean anyone bleating about being closed down choose to take a higher risk approach. I've no idea if we have enough EHO resource to manage this - but a lot of it could be self assessment with draconian penalties for abuse (not financial - more if you self assess as 10/10 compliant and are observed to actually be 6/10 compliant you would not be permitted to upgrade from 6 until you have shown compliance with the higher standard for X weeks).
I've got to say I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for the pub owners in Glasgow etc - as they made their Ice mound protests on Friday evening many were within 2m of each other and not wearing masks. If you don't implement these risk mitigations yourself when being filmed for social media I'm not sure we can trust them to do it in a busy pub.
Arran (and indeed other islands) have a dichotomy though – argue that they are their own bubble and should be exempted from rules that the rest of the country (or their local authority / health board as appropriate) face OR say we are open to the public, we welcome visitors and we accept that comes with some identified risks (which may be even higher as there are no ICU facilities on the island).
Events on South Uist show what happens when folk start to think that island living allows them to have different rules. I believe ScotGov have toyed with the idea for a relaxation in rules on the islands, but only on the provisonif a very strict travel ban. While I'm sure many islanders would welcome such a thing, those with tourism-related or tourism-dependant businesses would suffer massively. To be sure, there is no easy answer.
I’ve got to say I don’t have a huge amount of sympathy for the pub owners in Glasgow etc – as they made their Ice mound protests on Friday evening many were within 2m of each other and not wearing masks. If you don’t implement these risk mitigations yourself when being filmed for social media I’m not sure we can trust them to do it in a busy pub.
Me neither tbh, that just smacked of utter selfishness.
I don't think the islanders want to operate under different rules, but to call Arran as part of central belt is a stretch frinstance, no restaurants open, yet pop over the water and all the bookies are open in an area with large numbers of infection. That's wrong.
But no, we are still lagging behind such international heavyweights as Estonia when it comes to digital infrastructure and have used the NHS as a football for decades.
Probably worth doing some research before making sweeping statements. Pretty much everwhere in the world lags behind Estonia in terms of digital infrastructure.
So, another week for the central belters, not unexpectedly.
Hard to say for sure that new infection rates are coming down due to the issues at the weekend and the catch up effect, but there does appear to be a bit of levelling off, or at least not rising on exponentially.
Fingers crossed.
I'm not sure what dashboards folk are using, but I've found this one useful
https://covid19.scottishtecharmy.org/
I've been using Travellingtabby.
Aye, travelling tabby here too.
Travellingtabby looks good, thanks.
So no easing for another week, there'll be tears by Friday.
IGMC.
Nobeerinthefridge
Free Member
So, another week for the central belters, not unexpectedly.
A week 😆 aye nae bother.
Aye, til the restrictions get worse Joe! 🙈🤣
So........who's following the rules religiously around exercising with others? If I understand them correctly if not in a tighter restriction area its with one other household only and to social distance.
I ask as becoming increasingly uncomfortable with friends choices - to open water swim in groups of 5 or 6 (from 5 or 6 households), sit around a small fire afterwards for an hour or so to warm up and then post the arse out of it on social media. Doesn't feel right to me - i.e. I know it's not right re the law but also way too blatant.
And the Inverness cycle club out on a club ride last week - 20 of them in club kit huddled under a single tree on an A road waiting for a clubmate to fix a puncture - you could have lassoed the lot with the punctured inner tube.
I don't think of myself as a sheeply rule follower but it still feels not right to disregard the regs so blatantly in a way that is very traceable and potentially damaging to the sport's reputation.
I say this as someone who went camping with another couple last weekend (seperate van/ tent and separate vehicles) and know we didn't socially distance properly 100% of the time so no angel myself either. But that was by accident rather than design - if that makes it better.
Most folk don't really give a flying **** now when outdoors.
I've been sticking to the rules, but more because I tend to run/hike with my wife, cycle mostly on my own or maybe with one or 2 others, easy to keep a distance at that.
I'm hoping to organise some charity hillwalks with work colleagues, it's possible to do this with up to 30 folks if you have the correct certification and maintain the distancing whilst out and about, just need to get my finger out.
I bet lots of clubs have that certification, and then don't bother their arse with the rules after that.
Edit - no angel here either btw! openly admit to giving my mother in law a hug when we walked with them last week, so I'm probably no better!
I went through the Covid Officer thing and have the certificate to prove it 😁
The biggest group I've been out with is 4 from 3 and we maintained the Social Distancing rules.
I've been pretty much observing all the laws and guidelines. We did have one evening ride earlier on where 4 of us turned up so we rode in pairs, then stopped for an al fresco beer, though we must have looked odd all standing so far apart while chatting 😁
Item on Radio Scotland a couple of days ago with a Helensburgh cafe owner saying she was mobbed with folk from Stirling, Glasgow, and Lanarkshire. So I think there is every chance of days out to Arran if the pubs there were open.
Am I reading this right? Until we get a vaccine we are permentently on restrictions? 50 limit for wedding funerals, etc. No matter how low case levels go.
Annex 1 at
https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/go...
Yeh seems level zero is only about the equivalent of phase 3 we were in in August before the move to phase 4 was cancelled.
Doesn't seem we can get to the level of the old phase 4 where non essential office work could return.
I also assumed highest level would be like March lockdown with travel limits and school/education closures.
In my simple mind. Level zero would be 'normal' too.
Hoping shetland will be level zero, but I assume we'll get level 1 with a promise of zero for good behaviour...
And the Inverness cycle club out on a club ride last week – 20 of them in club kit huddled under a single tree on an A road waiting for a clubmate to fix a puncture – you could have lassoed the lot with the punctured inner tube.
Id be more worried about being in midst if 20 folks breathing heavily whilst riding in a pack. Surely that's a fairly high risk route of transmission.
Until we get a vaccine we are permentently on restrictions?
The government are now indicating that no-one under 50 will get a dose of the vaccine which seems ridiculous if you want to try to break chain transmission.
The aim however is apparently to just protect the most vulnerable in short term and then, following a vacine, let everyone else contract it, completely ignoring the fact that it can still do seriously harm to younger folks.
If that's the plan then tbh I'm inclined to say that those at high risk should just stay indoors on strict lock down for next 6 months and let everyone else get on with life as normal. The more folks that get it now the less itll be circulating in 6 months when a vaccine, which is probably only about 60% effective, is rolled out.
The government are now indicating that no-one under 50 will get a dose of the vaccine which seems ridiculous if you want to try to break chain transmission.
Source?
We have been trying to follow sense as much as the rules. We have not been to public place such as cafe, supermarket etc.
We have travelled last week on journeys to ride bikes or hill walks (ergo an 'unnecessary journey'), we've gone to big empty spaces and even then walked off the path or parked away from a few people when we met folk., our biggest risk has been taking another youth in our car for riding with one of our lads.
That said, we have had a very quiet week this week with no travelling, only local rides and walks. This will continue from here on in.
Our biggest risk, since March, arrives next week. I have two of family_oab in hospital for operations and investigations on the same day. I am not looking forward to a day of being taxi and being in hospital. I have been in the hospital twice since March to pick up blood products for treating mrs_oab, it isnt a nice feeling.
Realistically, hospital will be fine if you remain as sensible as you've been and practice the distancing, mask and hand hygiene. No members of staff in my wife's department have been affected this whole time, not one. That's 20 odd folk, who have worked right through full time, and my wife and others have done shifts at covid testing units too.
source
https://www.ft.com/content/d2e00128-7889-4d5d-84a3-43e51355a751
I suspect there would be a bit of an uproar if things actually transpired this way. Supposedly Healthy people will get sick, and long covid appears to be something that a large number of people will need to live with in future
The wider issue would be that if you only give vaccine to 50 % of people then the virus would be circulating in very high numbers as soon as we emerge from lockdown. And given the vaccine will probably only be partially effective, there will be far more at risk folks in the firing line, albeit with some degree of protection.
Item on Radio Scotland a couple of days ago with a Helensburgh cafe owner saying she was mobbed with folk from Stirling, Glasgow, and Lanarkshire. So I think there is every chance of days out to Arran if the pubs there were open.
The cafe's in Glasgow aren't shut and isn't it even the same healthboard?
Aye, and it's a short train journey, or even shorter car, not quite a 50 minute train, then an hour on a ferry thats at 20% capacity.
So……..who’s following the rules religiously around exercising with others? If I understand them correctly if not in a tighter restriction area its with one other household only and to social distance.
I've been a pretty good boy so far but beginning feel a bit silly, have denied myself three opportunities to ride with mates because either A) They were riding outside of our healthboard area (we're central belt) or B) They were riding in groups of more than 2 households.
Feels that by obeying the rules I'm in a slightly foolish minority, but I can't be bothered with the mental gymnastics required to justify my breaking the rules...
Good on you, I’ve been much the same and have now got to the point where I’m not even bothered about what others do any more.