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13th-of course you’re can. You’re visiting relatives thus 5 mile rule doesn’t apply. As outlined yesterday that advice is for general recreation.
We’re nipping south in the camper for 2 nights towards end of July to visit other set of Grandparents at a distance. Looking at campsites esp further north def busy but then it is summer. Usual rules apply - don’t be a d1ck. Will be a bit of a balance between using local facilities and putting cash into local economies and not stressing rural areas and people out - will be delicate.
We have friends in Lochinver. They have a driveway. We have a campervan. It would appear to be within the wording of the new Guidance that we could go to visit them now, as long as we only go indoors to use their toilet. I'm not sure that is what was intended though.
I wonder how many babies were conceived last night in Scotland?
I wonder how many babies were conceived last night in Scotland?
Shaggin' is fine, nae rimmin' tho.
Ahem.
Scotroutes - No overnight stays still in place EXCEPT for those bubbling with solos etc.
I'#m going up to my mum and dad's in Fife next week, meeting my sister and her husband and kids there for a birthday party int he garden.
Gonna take the new camper and sleep in it.
Murdo Fraser - 'there is no evidence to support Scotland's decision to move out of lockdown at a slower pace than the rest of the UK'
He really should be looking at the figures such as Scotroutes graph up there. Scottish Tories are looking as useless as ever, negative as ever.
^^^ +1
I found it all a bit strange listening to the news last night and the publicans up in arms having prepared beer gardens to open today, based on no facts whatsoever, purely speculation, and expressing anger at the Government for saying no, not yet.....
I totally get the impact on business, but as has been said, look at the graphs and the difference the cautious approach is making to actual death rates.
@ygh - I'm surprised you have the time (or the energy) to post on here.
scotroutes - I took it from the guidance of 'People are still being asked to work from home wherever possible, and to stay in their local area during Phase 2.' however having now dug into it doesn't explicitly call it out. Who knows. Do what you want, everyone else is.
Yeah, I'm reading it as "stay in your local area" with the one exception of visiting folk.
Anybody fancy a change of scenery? You can park in my driveway, but you're not allowed to set foot outside my "estate".
You’re visiting relatives thus 5 mile rule doesn’t apply. As outlined yesterday that advice is for general recreation.
Seems to be only a slight relaxation of the 5 mile rule to me?
Phase 2 key changes and dates
Phase 2 changes will be introduced as follows:
From 19 June:
people who are shielding are able to leave their home for exercise and to meet with 1 other household outdoors (max 8 people in total) with physical distancing from 18 June. They are also able to take part in non-contact outdoor activities such as golf, hiking, fishing
people who are not shielding can now meet with more households outside. Limit increased from meeting 1 household to meeting 2 households; 8 person overall limit and need for physical distancing remains
they can also use toilets indoors while visiting the outdoors of another household (Hygiene measures are essential)
certain household types can now meet others indoors in an 'extended household'
People should continue to stay in their local area as much as possible and should not travel more than broadly five miles for leisure or recreation
Rather than the strict 5 mile rule for exercise, it looks to me like visiting is only within your local area. Clear as mud- I guess its to allow Nippy to see her folks and stay in the rules.
People should continue to stay in their local area as much as possible and should not travel more than broadly five miles for leisure or recreation
But it's OK for visiting according to the bit I've already quoted.
I guess its to allow Nippy to see her folks and stay in the rules.
"People should continue to stay in their local area"
That covers visiting surely?
mtnboarder
Clear as mud- I guess its to allow Nippy to see her folks and stay in the rules.
Spot the Daily Excrescence reader...
“People should continue to stay in their local area”
That covers visiting surely?
From the Guidance
Travelling to meet others outdoors
It is acceptable to travel outside your local area to meet members of another household in an outdoor space such as a private garden.
Missed that bit! Which section is that from?
They don't make it easy do they?
We have friends in Lochinver. They have a driveway. We have a campervan. It would appear to be within the wording of the new Guidance that we could go to visit them now, as long as we only go indoors to use their toilet. I’m not sure that is what was intended though.
We have similar quandry, my grandparents empty house is nextdoor to my parents so they had suggested we could go up and visit them but stay in the empty house. I suspect it falls into a grey area/edge case and they can't advise on every eventuality but I decided not to based on this guidance doc where the only explicit mention of what is allowed with regards to an overnight stay is
Consistent with Phase 2, accommodation can be provided for those required to stay away from home for work purposes.
This isn't in a work specific section so I'm just taking this as the general policy on overnight stays personally.
It's in the "Meeting Others" section - two paras below the bit about travelling for exercise.
Personally, locally at least, I don't see any evidence of lockdown.
I went out for a local ride last night from my door and if I hadn't known we were supposed to be in lockdown I would have just assumed it was a normal evening.
Every green space I passed had groups of teenagers mingling. I passed a group of six or so bikers standing chatting at the bottom of a trail and road traffic levels were completely normal for late evening (maybe even a bit busier)
Fair enough my route didn't take me along the high street which might have been a bit quieter than normal but as far as I could tell there is a significant number of people who are now pretty much carrying on as normal.
It's hard to tell though, how many of those folk wouldn't be there ordinarily? gyms are shut, a shitload of folk now exercising outside, some of them may have otherwise have went on a group road ride on a thu night? or a MTB group ride?, 5 a sides, rugby training, watching football?.
Yep, I get what you are saying. Some of the people I see out and about would normally be in a gym, or a pub. Teenagers would be hanging round each other houses rather than the park.
But the biggest change is the amount of traffic. A lot of people are working from home so it is still quieter during the day, but in the evening the roads are as busy as normal.
Spot the Daily Excrescence reader…
Not me Brian, not me..
As a guide, rather than a fixed limit, our advice is that 5 miles from your home would be within your local area.
My parents live 70 miles away, and I have no plans to visit them at present. Regardless of guidelines, I want to avoid any contact or unnecessary, longer car journeys until I'm convinced things are really under control. I'm quite happy to cycle more than five miles from home, however, because I can do that in isolation.
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It’s hard to tell though, how many of those folk wouldn’t be there ordinarily? gyms are shut, a shitload of folk now exercising outside, some of them may have otherwise have went on a group road ride on a thu night? or a MTB group ride?, 5 a sides, rugby training, watching football?.
...in the East End of Glasgow ?? none of the locals do any of that type of stuff - bottles of Bucky in the park is the limit of exercise 🙂 .. It's not Ayrshire y'know !
I got told what I'll be teaching today. Kids are going to have to work hard and mature really quickly.
No practicals in BGE but I can demonstrate. no walking round room so have to stay at front or seated. 10 in the class (1/2 the normal). senior nat 5's will get 2.5 hours a week, 3rd & 4tyh years will get 2.5 hours every two weeks. no idea about BGE as timetable isn't sorted. I'm guessing 1.5 hours a week. Kids are going to so a lot of work at home.
Is that Glasgow poah?
we're in South Lanarkshire and youngest, who is going into 3rd year, has been advised he'll be in every day from 11th Aug, but only for either morning or afternoon. Each day will be a single subject, so in the same classroom, same teacher. Seems pretty decent to me as a parent.
in the East End of Glasgow ?? none of the locals do any of that type of stuff – bottles of Bucky in the park is the limit of exercise
How very dare you. My local ride incorporates a rugby club, a tennis club and an historic Scottish castle (before crossing the Clyde and dodging shards of green glass and the occasional burnt out car in "Blanter"). Only two roundabouts though.
My local ride incorporates a rugby club, a tennis club and an historic Scottish castle (before crossing the Clyde and dodging shards of green glass and the occasional burnt out car in “Blanter”). Only two roundabouts though.
Hmmmm...sound suspiciously South Lanarkshirey
Is that Glasgow poah?
Renfrewshire. Guessing the number of hours will be similar in other LA's as they are doing 1/2 of their normal hours. Will be lots of ICT needing to be produced for the kids that are not in school. What a year to start teaching lol
…in the East End of Glasgow ?? none of the locals do any of that type of stuff – bottles of Bucky in the park is the limit of exercise 🙂 .. It’s not Ayrshire y’know !
East end is the new West end, don'tyeken?
Best of luck in yer new job Poah.
Hmmmm…sound suspiciously South Lanarkshirey
I actually live in the bit of Glasgow the locals like to pretend is in Uddingston, but it's definitely in Glasgow. My local rides do take me out that way though, the alternative direction doesn't really bear thinking about.
It’s in the “Meeting Others” section – two paras below the bit about travelling for exercise.
Was that in response to me or someone else? There's so many different docs I am losing track, but I don't see anything that relates to overnight stays, just that going to meet others outside your local area is fine, which I know, but it doesn't explicitly mention anything about overnight stays so I'm just quoting the only part of the guidance which does include overnight stays which suggests it's only ok in an instance where you are doing work that requires it.
Sooo,
The research lab I work in is preparing to get up and running again. At the moment, it would seem the plan is for a restart on the 1st of July. I'm really looking forward to getting back to work, except I'm kind of struggling to see how I actually get to work!
Because of issues associated with my Type 1 Diabetes, I'm not allowed to hold a drivers license, so I'm reliant on public transport, which in my case means the local bus route. This is normally a 60-80 minute journey from just outside of Stirling, to the centre of Glasgow. I then either Nextbike (when available), or Subway over to the West End.
Currently, my regular commuter route has been suspended, meaning to get into work, I'll have to travel on at least two, possibly even three different bus services. Then still find some way of getting into the lab from the town centre. All of this, where buses appear to be only allowing 8-15 passengers on each service, leaving me with the distinct possibility of being stranded in some god forsaken corner of hell, yes, I'm talking Cumbernauld.
I'm not even sure if I should be travelling that sort of distance on public transport. Does the 5 mile limit apply to work commute? I'm already furloughed, and I'm really starting to worry that if I can't find a regular and reliable way of getting into work during lockdown, my furloughed status might be made more permanent.
Is anyone else currently doing a relatively long, public transport commute? If so, how's it working for you? Does anyone know if the easing of lockdown will come with an easing of restrictions on public transport?
Is anyone else currently doing a relatively long, public transport commute?
I was doing Perth to Glasgow by train. I suspect I'll not be doing it by public transport any time soon either because I have no real need to get back into an office or I take the car.
This is another situation where the 2m rule needs to be revised downwards to 1 quickly.
Not a beer garden. Honest.
Nothing quite like a pint at the old bridge inn after a ride, very jealous.
Today down my street, a member of the local school Parent Council, along with a number of other families, greater than 3, with a total number of people greater than 16, has been to the beach, together. This is a minimum 30 miles drive. Now they are all back at her house, but it has started raining. The cars are still there, but now there's no-one in the garden... I wonder where they could be..?
The people who think that the rules don't apply to them will be the very same people bleating in August when the schools can't reopen fully as the virus is not fully suppressed. How they'll laugh into their Pinot Grigio as whilst everyone else was sticking to the rules, they had their fun...
@poah
probably an ex customer of mine. In a previous life I used to manage the central stores for Biochem then IBLS which morphed into FBLS and latterly MVLS. Lost all hope and sanity after she who WILL be obeyed was appointed college head.
I did my PhD with Brian Smith and my MSc with Harry Birkbeck. Used to play footie with harry 20 years ago.
who is who shall be obeyed?
Not long back from 25 mile back road loop from house. It appears that all the regular South Lanarkshire Saturday morning groups and clubs are back out in force. Roads were packed with numerous groups of six plus riders, many in club kit. Also dozens of groups of 3-6 folk. Largely well behaved, however add in all the family groups and novice riders and it was less than enjoyable in parts...
The Pentland hill car-parks were perhaps the busiest I've ever seen them when we walked by earlier. Most people still behaving themselves but several largish groups of mountain bikers out, lots of folks mixing on the beach bits at Thriepmuir including a lot of groups of swimmer. Quite a few folks camping around the reservoirs as well. Quite a few folks (walkers, runners and cyclists) that don't observe social distancing when passing folks.
Overall it's great to see such a great resource being well used, with just a few idiots.
Just back from a partly off road loop in East Lothian. Busy on the roads with small groups beginning to appear. No non motorised idiots or annoyances encountered*, but still a bit Knock Hill on some of the roads.
*Of course I did not meet myself
Cycled into office this AM to pick up a bunch of Wiggle returns forms I'd printed (don't like doing it mid-week, boss is the only one in the office so he naturally picks up any printouts!).
The cycle path from South Queensferry through Crammond and into town was heaving, in fact so were some of the roads. Worse yet, I bumped into an old friend who had been approached and 'warned' about cycling through Dalmeny Estates, they are now using their free range farm animals as an excuse to stop people cycling on the tarmac roads through the estate (although in fairness they have kept the NCN route open but it's quite chunky gravel in places). This means a lot more people being forced onto the A90 cycle path all the way.
Basically, I'm staying the hell away from the city for a while longer! At least early morning solo skirmishes across the bridge or up into the Bathgate Alps are easy to keep socially distanced...
Beagleboy - 5 miles does not apply to commuting. The point of the “phases” is that as people return to work the travel service are increased etc. The only person I know who has been doing a public transport commute says they have often been the only person on the train and always only one on the carriage when travelling outside traditional rush hour and even at 5pm at Haymarket, have barely been anyone on the platform. Obviously that won’t last. Still if you can time to work early or late you may find it’s not too bad.
#Clipetrackworld
A friend drove 30 miles to run a 14 mile point to point along a local long distance path. There's no public transport, only way to do it is with 2 cars, and she did it with someone outside her family.
Oh, and she's in the polis.
Busy out on the roads of the Tweed Valley. Busted out a long ride very early this Am. stopped at Glentress Hotel for a cuppa as we saw it was open and wanted to support. Checked with the guy that we were welcome and he laughed out loud - everyone is welcome ! Good cuppa and some insightful chat on arseholes wanting to park there and not pay which they are asking for at the moment. Tons of bikes out and lots of camping up at St Mary’s loch and beyond, obv the rules don’t apply to everyone 🙄 But then you could say the same about us riding from home (150k round trip)
Looking at phase 4, can't see much in the way of specifics, anyone any idea if Tattoo artists can work from phase 4, or if that's taboo until after phase 4 is complete?.
I was booked in for some work in April, fingers crossed it'll be soon.
Does anyone have insight into when CalMac/Harris & Lewis may be opening up?
Does anyone have insight into when CalMac/Harris & Lewis may be opening up?
Assuming like other islands the locals are (understandably) getting a bit concerned that when phase 3 comes and travel is "permitted" social distancing will still mean capacity is only c. 20% and pre-booked tourists will be prioritised over locals. I think their next timetable update is due next week.
Looking at phase 4, can’t see much in the way of specifics, anyone any idea if Tattoo artists can work from phase 4, or if that’s taboo until after phase 4 is complete?
I can't see any reason why tatoo artists can't resume in phase 4. Of course nobody knows when phase 4 might come. if it follows that phase 4 is when schools go back to full time - perhaps mid October...
pre-booked tourists will be prioritised over locals
The only prioritising I've seen in terms of ferries is that anyone staying more than one night will be on board before day trippers, due to the obvious need for the island accomodation providers needing the bookings, and rightly so, but there's been no mention of locals that I've seen.
I can’t see any reason why tatoo artists can’t resume in phase 4. Of course nobody knows when phase 4 might come. if it follows that phase 4 is when schools go back to full time – perhaps mid October…
Aye, I couldn't see anything against it in phase 4. I'm of the opinion that schools will be back full time long before October btw, especially after the admission last week that phased learning was more of a fall back than plan A.
Does anyone have insight into when CalMac/Harris & Lewis may be opening up?
No idea, but the Northlink ferries are now open for island residents to book trips to see family.
Priority is keyworkers, then islanders. Still no 'leisure use'.
When you book they ask the reason and if you will be able to comply with covid guidance. As we will be away more than a day trip they asked where we will be staying (not the actual address) to see if we are complying. As we're going to England after 4th July and booked accommodation near family that was fine. The lady on the phone was taking notes, so they're being fairly cautious.
The CalMac Islay ferry timetable is being reviewed on 30 June. I'm expecting it to return to a full service from mid July. We have the last week in July booked in a cottage on Islay. The booking can be cancelled for free until 11 July. Fingers crossed things continue to improve at suitable pace.
Lockdown has lost public support, its over.
Buy a mask if it makes you feel safer and let's all just get on with rebuilding our lives and what's left of this crumbling, shithole of a country.
I wouldn't be surprised if school's we're back full time in August.
Our powers that be aren't rushing the blended learning plan out and it's a week of school left. We need to get stuff to technician's and reprographics for August as they are usually term time contracts.
shithole of a country
This is the Scots thread buddy, not sue if there is an English one 😉
^ 😆
It does seem that people have reached their limit and far more are choosing to ignore the guidelines though. I think Nicola's (and our) hard work will be wasted anyway when the infected English residents overwhelm us.
shithole of a country
Are you on a small bridge on Rannoch Moor?
" Can’t even find a decent culture to be infected BY. "
Heb Ferries; we are hoping to get over soon as my wife hasn't been able to see her mother or other family since all of this started. We've been told that it'll be first come, first served with reduced numbers. That works fine for heading over to Lewis, less so for coming back when my wife has work to get to.
On a general point, despite things becoming a bit more lax, I'd say that there is still pretty good compliance to the current guidelines. I do think that reducing the "social distance" down to 1 metre effectively ends any pretence at containment though.
Social distance of 1 metre concerns me.
Surely the inverse square law applies here, so at 1 metre you're likely to get 4 times as many droplets as at 2 metres.
In other words, it's not twice the risk but four times.
Or for a demo, find someone vaping and watch the dispersion pattern*.
Also talk of a second wave sounds too objective, it doesn't really emphasis that it's a second wave of death and grief, or for some a sentence of lifelong infirmity.
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*(Yeah, I know it's not the same as a sneeze or a cough)
A friend works as a piercer. They don't have any idea of when their studio can open again.
Social distance of 1 metre concerns me.
Surely the inverse square law applies here, so at 1 metre you’re likely to get 4 times as many droplets as at 2 metres.
In other words, it’s not twice the risk but four times.
I seem to remember reading that they reckon there is 10 times the risk at 1m compared to 2m
Social distance of 1 metre concerns me.
Surely the inverse square law applies here, so at 1 metre you’re likely to get 4 times as many droplets as at 2 metres.
It sounds like madness to me when the Lancet have said that the infection rate doubles for ever metre reduction in social distancing.
"The findings showed a reduction in risk of 82% with a physical distance of 1 m in both health-care and community settings (adjusted odds ratio [aOR] 0·18, 95% CI 0·09–0·38). Every additional 1 m of separation more than doubled the relative protection, with data available up to 3 m (change in relative risk [RR] 2·02 per m; pinteraction=0·041)."
It seems to me the only reason to reduce it to 1m is to make businesses profitable, and I don't think that's as important as saving lives.
Lockdown has lost public support, its over.
no it hasn't.
Our powers that be aren’t rushing the blended learning plan out
both my kids primary school and the teenagers high school have let parents know what is happening.
The school I'm going to has it sorted as well.
I’m guessing you can’t drive into Scotland yet? I’ve just sold a bike and fancied a road trip to deliver
Poah, I hope.youre not in Edinburgh. The plan is changing this week. It was being submitted for approval today.
I'm SBC and although the council may have sorted it. School's "management" haven't yet.
I’m guessing you can’t drive into Scotland yet?
In the words of the Frenchies in the search for the Holy Grail, Go Away....
@nobeerinthefridge my mate is a tattooist and like YGH's piercer I'm pretty sure he has no idea when he's going to get back to work, I'll ask him though.
On ferries, surely cars don't need to socially distance? Can you not just have everyone sitting in their cars for the duration of a crossing? Then again someone could get cold and start running their engine in a closed deck. Hmm...
A couple of wee observations from this weekend. I met a mate in Embra who was picking up a new bike and heading back in the Gifford direction so rode back with him. Porty beach was like Benalmedena in high season , The meadows was like Oasis were about to play a gig easily 1000 people . Back at work today and as a train driver face masks obligatory and takes some getting used to when your actually in stations most of the day . It seems going by the general public when Im stopping my train they are all pretty good at wearing masks.
Now back to cycling , the weekend was obviously summer solstice and there were some big rides in decent weather . Again no problem with this in the grand scheme of things. Also (and flame away) The Golfie was busy and still epic.