A thread full of hippies and witch doctors.
I think you'll that the term [i]shaman[/i] is considered to be more acceptable these days.
Have I gotten myself banned again, is witch doctor racist or something? Anyway I'm probably being a bit harsh on hippies: I've met three doctors who though you had to black out to have epilepsy; I've met a neurologist who thought someone having a basilar migraine was having a panic attack; and another neurologist who rushed into a diagnosis of epilepsy in a friend who was blacking out daily who failed to notice as I had her heart was running at about 200 bpm whenever she blacked out.
Lot's of morons in the world.
Then what's your problem.
I'm not the one with a problem mate, if you read through the thread you will see I am giving advice based on personal experience and TJ is trying to tell me I am wrong in one way or another. I don't think he even knows what he is arguing about.
Ernie your knowledge of PC terms is the envy of guardianistas everywhere
Advice based entirely on personal experience is bollocks. I have no idea whether cannabis in analgesic or just for neuropathic pain/adjunctive pain relief. It's not really my area but it seems from the skimming of my journal database the juries still out so giving advice is a bad idea, especially if you aren't a doctor. Are you qualified to give medical advice on psychoactive drugs? If I did when I'm registered as a Biomed, I'd be murdered.
Junkyard, Ernie should have a wonder over to ARRSE. He'd be horrified.
I hang around a lot in polite company JY, so I know stuff like that.
You should hang around with fun people. You know, Rob Warner types. That'd lighten you up a bit.
Advice based on personal experience is bollocks
That is whats wrong with modern medicine. The patients symptoms or personal experience mean nothing if tests and studies say otherwise.
Now that is bollocks.
Yeah homeopathy is amazing. Patients and homeopathists experience says it's great, should we listen to them? Noooo
Actually modern medicine even up until recently (eg Physiotherapists) has had to be clawed away from "experience" like a demented cat stuck in a wall because doctors time and time again made major screw ups. Evidence based medicine when tempered with a doctors experience has shown vastly improved medical outcomes.
You should hang around with fun people.
Not the sort of people you knock around with mate, you're well rude.
Example : [i]"I fail to see the **** point of this thread and the idiocy found within"[/i]
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Doctors who go against the grain and think for themselves, who have helped hundreds of people when they where failed by the system get their right to practice taken away by the GMC. Now thats bollocks.
I like being direct.
*Dons troll hat* @ Flow: What like Dr Andrew Wakefield? 😀
No like Dr Myhill
yes subjective reports are the most powerful method of finding truth
know to man.
i dont know why we waste time with actual research and blind trials it snot lie the placebo effect is real or subjective reports are know to be unreliable. if somone says it helps then obviously it rally does help. we dont need to know if it really does help or not just whether they think it does.
FOllow the links I posted earlier re Cochrane collaboration and involving patients.
No one is sayin that patients views should be ignored but to claim that what they think is somehow true and fact is very inaccurate and wont really help us know anything [placebo effect and self reports being unreliable[
Homeopathy has many supporters who will tell you it works, as will faith healing and any other "quackery" you care to think of.
The patients symptoms or personal experience mean nothing if tests and studies say otherwise.Now that is [s]bollocks[/s]science.
FTFY
Jeez, are Cheech and Chong still droning on about rubbish? Reminds me of the days I used to sit around getting ston... Oh.
Flow, shut up eh?
You might well have loads of experience getting wrecked, but you have no experience of dealing with people in pain, who need that pain to go away like right now, not when you've managed to find the skins.
No you shut up crikey 😆
Well, how much experience do you have of dealing with people in pain? That's real pain, not 'Oh maan, we've got no pizza left' pain...
I'm loathe to descend to the level of insults, but you are a fool.
Actually Dr Myhill is/was full of shit. I spent a lot of time doing a large review paper a long time ago on birth defects in Iraq and the possible causes behind them. I ran into her stuff attempting to find a link between them and Gulf War syndrome. Her opinion of vaccinations was laughable.
Linky http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2010/04/18/doctors-and-vaccination/
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That is whats wrong with modern medicine. The patients symptoms or personal experience mean nothing if tests and studies say otherwise.Now that is bollocks.
NHS chronic pain services make extensive use of psychological therapies to help patients manage pain. This sort of work requires a deep understanding of a patients symptoms and experience, working closely with other medical disciplines. Modern medicine is constantly investigating new approaches to treatment and testing these objectively to discover which are most effective. Going back to the OP's original question, it is worth investigating whether any of these non-drug based treatments are available for your mother. They may not be appropriate for her specific condition, but there's no harm in asking.
Dr Myhill?
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Flow, you've got a new film out haven't you? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1204342/
Well, how much experience do you have of dealing with people in pain? That's real pain, not 'Oh maan, we've got no pizza left' pain...
Well the OP's mother has FM, I have CFS which is similar. I ache and have trouble sleeping and smoke weed which helps it.
Surely the OP wanted to hear from people like me and not a bunch of anti drug, middle class lard asses who have no experience of either.
TJ did say he suffered from CFS too though for most of his adult life. Maybe thats why I am almost better after just a year, I wasn't scared to think outside the box. The drugs I got from my doctor caused awful side effects and if anything made me worse.
Maybe you recovered differently because of different causes? CFS is most likely a term for a range of conditions resulting from psychological causes to Lyme's disease.
Yes, let's slam medical science because you didn't get on with a few drugs. Maybe you have a genetic disposition and metabolize certain drugs in a different way to the majority of the population and were therefore more likely to get severe sides. That's where again, medical science and not quackery can fill in by personalizing drugs for the individual user through genetic testing.
I'm sure your essential silliness has been pointed out previously, but if you have Chronic Fatigue, getting stoned regularly is probably not a great idea given that one of the features of long term use of said drug is a certain amount of lethargy.
Whatever, you seem to be too dim to reason with.
Anti drug? I handle more drugs in a day than you could imagine, and I'm not wrecked so I can observe their effects.
Middle Class? maybe, but then you're not a working class hero are you?
Lard ass? Try harder munchie boy.
Did you even try psychotherapy flow? There is a rule Flow, EVERY drug no matter whether it is NATURAL or synthesized has side effects. You alter one molecular pathway in the body and there is always...and I do mean always unintended consequences.
I'm sure your essential silliness has been pointed out previously, but if you have Chronic Fatigue, getting stoned regularly is probably not a great idea given that one of the features of long term use of said drug is a certain amount of lethargy.
Clearly if it made me more fatigued I wouldn't smoke it, I said it helps.
Whatever, you seem to be too dim to reason with.
Obviously. The content of your posts shows you are way more intelligent than me 😆
Actually it really does, this isn't even a challenge. Every post of yours is getting shot down in flames.
from people like me and not .......... middle class lard asses
TopTip : If you are going to come out with stuff like that, then it's probably best not to add [i]"I wasn't scared to think outside the box"[/i]
[i]The content of your posts shows you are way more intelligent than me [/i]
I've got cheese in my fridge more intelligent than you, so that's hardly a compliment.
Look at crikey throwing out the insults. Surely its past your bed time, you've got school in the morning.
I wasn't scared to think outside the box
You see the problem with this flow is that people who do think outside the box, change the world and are considered geniuses.....tread a very fine line between rebelliousness and deference to their teachers. Which you do not. If you are to rebellious, you fail to ever get a proper grasp of a subject. If you can't think outside the box at all then you will never make outstanding progress in a field.
My favourite topic within my field is genetics, in particular chromosomal instability. I've studied it closely for about four years now which is not much at all. You've read a few websites on the internet and now claim that medical science is bollocks. How's that for having an "open" mind.
Nah mate, I've been at work all day, giving people drugs, that work, that aren't bought from Bob on the corner, that I know the strength of, that have been properly researched.
I'm insulting you because I enjoy shooting fish in barrels.
I'm insulting you because I enjoy shooting fish in barrels.
No you are [i]trying[/i] to insult me because you are a bell end.
LOL, that's your most intelligent contribution to this thread so far. Well done, you probably need a lie down and a schmoke?
Face it you lost and he's insulting you because you don't know how infuriating it is dealing with sick people all day and then reading the ramblings of fools who don't know any better. Do you know how annoying it is at school to be laughed at by stoners for working hard? Think of this as payback.
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STFU, watch [url=
and learn something....for once.
And I agree with some of what is said about cannabis. Therefore I'll wait till it's put through the proper trials and released in a controlled manner if I ever get MS etc. What I won't do is give someone medical advice on taking the stuff, especially in an uncontrolled environment.
Yes....
Because I'm going to spend 50 minutes watching some cannabis related documentary at half past midnight in the hope that it will illuminate me about a recreational drug after I've spent 25 years working in critical care.
When you end up in real pain, I suspect you will not be asking for a joint.
Watch it, when you come back to this thread you will have a totally different opinion.
Crikey on another topic. Just off the cuff....just started doing clinical case studies at uni....Bilirubin (60 umol/l), Alkaline Transaminase (200 IU/L), GGT (800 IU/L), ALP (350 IU/L) <<< (this is only just elevated, in a biliary tract obstruction this would be massively elevated wouldn't it?). Would you say that's probably Alcoholic Liver Disease if the patients history points to that, without any other underlying diseases? I've never studied this before on my Biomedical degree. I'm trying to get my head around the markers of hepatocellular vs cholestatic disease.
No, I won't.
Before I was a nurse I smoked lots and lots and lots of cannabis. Been there, got that Fabulous Furry Freak Bros. T-shirt. Looked at all the counter culture stuff, lived it, smoked it, ate it. Used it for recreation, used it to self medicate, used it to get through the day.
It really isn't all that, and when you eventually realise this, you will be better for it.
ALD is not a strong point of mine, and I suspect that the markers you are using will have fairly well defined limits above which the suspicion will be more or less confirmed. My/our take on any substance abuse related issues tends to be that ultimately it is more useful to consider how or if it is fixable rather than how it was caused. We rarely bother with any kind of toxicology screen unless it is pertinent to the actual treatment; this was best described by a crusty old consultant who said 'It's like asking what colour of car knocked you down'. Biomedical studies will be more specific, but from a practical point of view we treat what goes wrong rather than what we find or suspect.
Yeah, I believe it's to check whether the chap brought in who has a history of intoxication is showing early signs of liver disease (enlargement). So that a biopsy isn't performed without need, something like that anyhow. The ranges are actually quite hard to find, we haven't been given them and we can only use primary sources to back up our statements. Can't even run to the NHS guidelines! The tossers! Thanks anyway!
Well Crikey, your narrow mindedness is restricting your knowledge.
The more you know, the more you realize how little you know, so if you think you know everything then you know nothing.
Typical NHS.
Edit: That video confirms everything I said making you lot look rather stupid.
Bye for now.
Actually we're not damning medical science and proclaiming we know better. We don't pretend to know everything about medicine like you do. Besides don't blame the NHS the stuff isn't legal, remember the whole shit throwing contest over what the NHS employed drug advisers to Whitehall said. The NHS just has to tow government policy.... most of the time.
Keep sticking it to tha' man yeah! 
