[Closed] Don't speak ill of the dead..... (Ian Brady)

Took me a minute to realise this wasn't about the Brady Bunch

Better still to forget him altogether.

pure evil. hope he suffered like **** for the last few years.... 😀

I want to disagree with you there ton, but I actually couldn't agree more.

Si

Slime mould in human form. Best he's cremated and his ashes spread over a random waste tip with no record kept.
Or even better just emptied into a pig sty somewhere.

(I've edited your title to prevent 57 other people doing what I just did and starting duplicate threads.)

Natural death was too good for him.
If there was ever a reason to bring back capital punishment he and hindley provided it.

2017 is doing well so far.

****!

Still, at least he's not Jeremy Corbyn.

The worst sort. Whilst wishing him dead the prison service where right to keep him alive refusing since 1999 to allow him to starve himself to death.

Head on a spike, feed the rest to the pigs

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I like STW too much to type my feelings about Brady. Pure Evil.

Let's not forget Keith Bennetts mum Winnie Johnson who passed away nearly 5 years ago without finding where Keith was buried. She came across as a lovely lady on TV interviews.

Taking that secret to his deathbed was Brady's last evil act.

Can't say I know a great deal about them other than the usual tv programs. Still 50 years behind bars, I'd sooner be dead.

None shall mourn

Not funny kit.

Hope he burns in hell

& how much has the evil bastard cost the country? As an estimate I'd say 40-50K a year. A noose wouldv'e been a lot cheaper & a lethal injection maybe a little more.
Since he went to Ashworth he's cost the taxpayer in the region of £1,280.000 never mind what he cost since he was convicted.

In 2016, an awful lot of really quite cool people died, while entirely the wrong people didn't.

I don't celebrate the passing of a predatory serial killer, but for those who think that capital punishment is the answer, remember that for over fifty years of his life, Ian Brady languished in prison with his mealtimes, exercise, activities and access to whatever sunlight he got to see dictated by schedule and routine. The only scrap of power over another human being he had remaining at the bitter end was the knowledge of where he buried Keith Bennett. Aside from that, he'd led a life of no value to anyone.

PJM1974 + 1. Good post.

but for those who think that capital punishment is the answer,

If the cost to the taxpayer for keeping Brady locked up was a million then I have no problem with that. The trouble with guilt, is that it must be established beyond all reasonable doubt. You need a judicial process to do that and justice on the cheap is never a satisfactory option. Capital punishment isn't a value for money option, nor is it an effective deterrent. While Brady's guilt was proven time and again, not all convictions are safe - the Birmingham Six would likely have faced the gallows in 1974.

I would argue that Brady expected to be hanged at the height of his notoriety, not to languish in jail for fifty plus years slowly becoming irrelevant.

@essel +1.
I'm not of the flogging & hanging persuasion but for Brady and a very few others I would make an exception.

@PJM1974 I did not say capital punishment was the answer to anything. The money spent by the state on his incarceration and treatment could - and should - have have been used productively for those who need and deserve support.
I do not believe he deserved anything in the way of support or medical treatment.
You say his life and activities were dictated by schedule and routine; that sounds a bit like work.
At least he had a life - let's call it an existence; he deprived his victims of life and activities - whether scheduled by them or others.
You are welcome to your opinion but I disagree totally.

If the cost to the taxpayer for keeping Brady locked up was a million then I have no problem with that. The trouble with guilt, is that it must be established beyond all reasonable doubt. You need a judicial process to do that and justice on the cheap is never a satisfactory option. Capital punishment isn't a value for money option, nor is it an effective deterrent. While Brady's guilt was proven time and again, not all convictions are safe - the Birmingham Six would likely have faced the gallows in 1974.

Which is why I said 'in this case'.

Working in the prison service you kind of get to know who's worth keeping & who isn't. He definately wasn't so the country's over £1m worse off.
& he's just one case.

would he rather have been hung 50 years ago, or left to rot in a cell?

I'm going for ther former..

which is why I'm against capital punishment..I hope every one of those 50 years was absolute misery..

and if there is a hell, hes going to be right at the bottom of it..

or left to rot in a cell?

This is the thing, he hasn't been rotting at all. He's been looked after with decency & humanity. All part of HMP system.

Why is his death the lead on BBC news website?
It should not be reported.

He lived a normal life span until 79 year old while the parents of the victims suffer ...

Let's not feed his remains to pigs. Think of the bacon and sausages.

Uncle of mine worked for years as a prison guard. Remember a few stories of suspected paedos who had hung themselves and help from inmates and staff wasn't very quick to arrive.

Good riddance to them.

It should not be reported.

Yes it should.

In about 2 months time. 'Oh by the way, that evil **** brady died 2 months ago, goodnight'

Since he went to Ashworth he's cost the taxpayer in the region of £1,280.000 never mind what he cost since he was convicted.

That's the price of the moral high ground.

and staff wasn't very quick to arrive.

Hmmm, not sure about that. No matter what prison staff think about a particular prisoner, Duty of Care kicks in. I've seen it.

... cost the taxpayer in the region of £1,280.000 ...

Some people don't even earn that much during their entire life. 😯

cost the taxpayer in the region of £1,280.000 ...

Maybe more. IIR a cat A prisoner costs in the region of 32-35K per year but an even higher profile person like brady would cost a lot more, when you account for the amount of psychologist's time involved, so I'm going for 40K per year.

Uncle of mine worked for years as a prison guard. Remember a few stories of suspected paedos who had hung themselves and help from inmates and staff wasn't very quick to arrive.

Bull.
Even when they're stiff with rigor the PO has to be seen to be practicing CPR

Even when they're stiff with rigor the PO has to be seen to be practicing CPR

Ex BIL did Shipman if i recall

HMP Wakefield then. That's probably true. HMP staff do that, just built in no matter who the con is. As I said, I've seen it.

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He lived a normal life span until 79 year old while the parents of the victims suffer ...

@essel: thanks for the correction - you're right in that I should have said '....not reported until 2 (or more) months later'.

Mental health bed costs per day are huge, high secure is not on the list but will be over £500 a day

Even when they're stiff with rigor the PO has to be seen to be practicing CPR

Bull

Of course his death should be reported, this guy cast a shadow over a whole region for many years. There may be many who will be pleased he has at last gone, some of those sad that he left a question un-answered. On the whole the report of his demise is welcome but will any lessons have been learned.

Since he went to Ashworth he's cost the taxpayer in the region of £1,280.000

Worth every penny, killing people like that is an easy way out.

What I have never understood is why when more than ten years ago Brady went on hunger strike wanting to die was he force fed as he has been since. Expensive, why not let him die and in no other circumstances other than a prisoner are people ever force fed

We were debating this last night at home. The conclusions we reached were...

While he was alive there was a prospect no matter how remote (and I accept it was incredibly remote) he would give a clue to or reveal the last body's location whether deliberately or by accident.

While he was alive and particularly when so unwillingly his punishment and discomfort continued.

I'm a bit biased in my view because I am against capital punishment for all sorts of reasons but that's not a debate for here.

Edit and in my view to an extent the cost is irrelevant, it is the price of a civilised society and in the scheme of national finances it is a drop in the ocean (£1.2million was the figure I believe). Edit, deleted last sentence way too easy for someone to miss / misunderstand the point

If just one innocent person is saved from hanging the cost of keeping all the other "life means life" prisoners is justified. Consider the number of convicted rapists who had to be released in the US when DNA testing became available. The justice system isn't perfect and it's good that the Birmingham six (for example were still alive to be let out when the miscarriage of justice came to light.

I agree that force feeding should not be carried out.

I'll pile in. I know very little about the story, other than News feeds, but I get the impression that at the time this case was a really big deal and most of the Country was horrified at the acts of brutality.

So, whilst I'm inclined to come down on he side of humanity in this instance there could have been a far better way of an ending a few years ago by all accounts...

What I have never understood is why when more than ten years ago Brady went on hunger strike wanting to die was he force fed as he has been since. Expensive, why not let him die and in no other circumstances other than a prisoner are people ever force fed

AIUI - Mentally well prisoners are allowed to starve themselves. Mentally ill 'patients' are not. Brady was, legally, the latter.

Going off on a tangent, I don't know if deliberate starvation is then used as evidence of mental illness? Perhaps not on its own - the IRA hunger strikers weren't force fed, although that was a long time ago.

The force feeding argument - the official answer is because he was deemed to be mentally ill and therefore not capable of deciding for himself. Hence why he was kept at Ashworth, and not in prison.

Moot point, I guess, about whether a serial torturer and murderer of small children could ever be considered sane, but that's the actual reason.

I too am totally anti- capital punishment, but this pair and their like do stretch my thinking more than most.

If you are allowing someone to starve themselves to death then aren't you effectively assisting them in suicide? Is there not a legal precedent for maintaining life wherever possible? IANAL.

Yep, hard to come to terms with in some respects, but that's what differentiates us from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-39926914

Agreed. We can't criticise savages like the Saudis for chopping peoples heads off in the street, then execute mentally ill people.

People like Brady are broken - they are hard-wired differently to 'normal' people. They can't be fixed, and personally I think it would be unethical to execute people who are in effect 'disabled'
The only thing we as a civilised society can/should do is lock them up for ever, but treat them with dignity and respect. (unlike the Saudis)

I think keeping him locked up and 'treating' him against his will by keeping him alive for years was the right thing to do.

Calling someone like this 'disabled' is a bit of a cop out- some people are just wronguns.

When guilt has been proven beyond question, I don't see why drugs/torture techniques could not have been used on him (as he did to children) to extract information about where he buried those kids- to at least give the families some peace.

Woah...! What's with all this "feed 'im to the pigs" shit? I like a bit of bacon and the thought of somehow digesting a molecule of Brady...

Let's just say I've seen enough horrors films to know what comes next!

Why is his death the lead on BBC news website?
It should not be reported.

Agreed. Brady reportedly loved his notoriety.

He would have enjoyed seeing the papers and media screaming his name in headlines one last time.

It should have been a footnote on page 9.

Because we're better than that.

Was up there walking a few weeks ago and ride the Isle of Skye road a few times a year.
I try not to think about what happened there, but it always crosses your mind, especially when you're near to where the three children's bodies were found.

Like everyone else who grew up in Manchester around that time or shortly after, it was part of our consciousness.
Our parents were perhaps a bit more cautious than usual for the time and it was talked about in hushed voices.

I hope Keith is found.

good riddance to the evil bastard c***!!
i really hope he suffered unimaginable pain in his final moments....its the least he deserved.
he spent 79 years on this earth when he should have really been executed for his crime if the death penalty was still in place.
what galls me is the fact that he knew he would be treated with kid gloves in prison because he had a bargaining chip....the locations of his victims.
the bastard should have had that info tortured out of him straight after his conviction and then put to a slow and painful death.

i hope he burns in hell for what he did along with his bitch girlfriend Myra Hindley

my heart goes out to the family of poor Keith Bennett

[quote=beefheart ]I don't see why drugs/torture techniques could not have been used on him (as he did to children) to extract information about where he buried those kids- to at least give the families some peace.

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Calling someone like this 'disabled' is a bit of a cop out- some people are just wronguns.

Yeah I know - can't quite think of the right term, hence me suggesting he was 'broken'
I still think as a civilised society we did the right thing with him.

I wasn't suggesting he be fed to pigs, rather that his ashes tipped into the mud in a pigsty, or preferably, a midden.
While there was always that faint hope that the bastard would finally ease the suffering of the poor lady whose son's remains are still missing, I'm increasingly of the opinion that the body was put somewhere so anonymous that Brady could no longer remember the location clearly anymore.
Keeping him alive, against his wishes, and suffering a number of terminal diseases I feel were better punishment than allowing him to die earlier.
I hope that the missing lad's remains are found one day, and he can be given the decent burial he's been denied all these years, for the sake of his extended family.
Anyone who's heard any of the recordings Brady and Hindley made of the children as they were raped and abused, or read the transcripts of their words can only feel the utmost horror, and be haunted by their suffering.
Lesley Ann Downey's words, for example: "Please, God, help me... I want to see my mummy"
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It's cool, CZ, no need to get paranoid... 🙂

Pondo » Head on a spike, feed the rest to the pigs

Though I see my outrage was preceded by Alpin's protest on page 1. Addled minds n all that...

This probably won't do any good for my popularity, but Ian Brady's death brings to mind this:

http://thesumpplug.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/uncle-jim-cobley-and-all.html

According to extracts from Myra Hindley’s diary quoted in Emlyn Williams’s Beyond Belief, she and Ian Brady were indeed regular punters at the New Elizabethan Ballroom at the now-demolished Belle Vue pleasure grounds, in Manchester’s Gorton district. She daydreamed about the two of them being billed as featured dancers there one day, and we know that they attended at least one of the many "Carnival Nights" hosted by the venue's resident DJ at the time, Jimmy Savile. Myra Hindley was a Gorton girl, living at her grandmother's house on Bannock Street. Savile’s big red ****-off Rolls Royce was a local landmark, regularly parked on ostentatious display right outside the entrance.

Flash-forward fifteen years. Janie Jones, the tabloids' favourite sex-party hostess with the mostest, answers a summons to appear before Jimmy Savile soon after her release from prison. His grounds for demanding the encounter? To read her the riot act for having the temerity to campaign for Myra Hindley's release. Not for the reason why most people would have objected to the idea of freeing Hindley — you know, her having helped kidnap, torture, rape and murder other people's children and bury them on Saddleworth Moor, all that stuff — but because, as Janie Jones explained, "he said it was disgraceful that I was siding with Hindley against Brady." Ian Brady was Jimmy Savile's pal.

Where and when Savile first met Brady, whether at HMP Parkhurst or at Broadmoor Hospital, is unclear. Savile was famously — now infamously — associated with hospitals and care homes, but not with prisons, yet he definitely pitched up at Parkhurst at least once. That may well be where he met Ronnie Kray for the first time as well. And it's definitely where he first met Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper, before going on to deepen their friendship at Broadmoor.

Not a particularly savoury thought, but how long was Ian Brady associating with Jimmy Savile?

Can't they just sling his ashes in the clinical waste with the rest of the noxious excreta?

He can then be thoroughly forgotten.