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Be fair,Nigel started at the bottom and is happily staying there.
There is photographic evidence to show that he's actually turned a corner and is now no longer interested in the bottom.
He's a public schoolboy,of course he's still interested in the bottom.
Why is that?
kimbers - MemberThe republicans that are deserting him are ones you'd never have thought would've backed him in the first place!
This is it. Mccain gave a list of all the other things that bothered him about Trump up til now and it's pretty much impossible to think "you should never have endorsed him in the first place,with a list like that" I reckon some of them are taking their chance to abandon ship and distance themselves from the campaign before the election, rather than really being bothered by it.
It's a fair point, but is there any other Republican candidate ever who leading Republican politicians have refused to back? Up until now they might have been reluctant, but they had fallen into line.
looking like the gloves are going to be off for the debate, Trump has Retweeted the Juanita Broaddrick rape allegations against Billy Boy.
Wasn't it a bit like Jezza, none of them expected him to win? In the end, he did, and now Labour/Republicans are in the doo-doo of their own making.
Politics is in bad shape
More creepiness. Apparently Trump used to stroll through the dressing rooms at his beauty pageants so he could see the contestants naked. He'd been called on this before and denied it but they now have a recording of him bragging about it to Howard Stern in 2005
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicagarrison/we-were-all-naked-when-donald-trump-walked-in
If Trump withdraws do we get Pence?
Because, well, y'know...
and nearly time to kick off 🙂 I'll be watching more for sport than anything else, I wonder if they have rules to stop it as cruel when Trump loses it..
We’re not surprised to see Donald Trump continue his destructive race to the bottom. Hillary Clinton understands the opportunity in this town hall is to talk to voters on stage and in the audience about the issues that matter to them, and this stunt doesn’t change that. If Donald Trump doesn’t see that, that’s his loss. As always, she’s prepared to handle whatever Donald Trump throws her way.”
Klunk - Member
looking like the gloves are going to be off for the debate, Trump has Retweeted the Juanita Broaddrick rape allegations against Billy Boy.
And in no way defending that (despite lots of story changes and sworn testimony about it) Bill ain't up for election.
and in summary (from someone else)
Who won the night?
Unlike the last debate, Hillary Clinton did not wipe the floor with Donald Trump.If you believe in a realistic approach to policy and dignity in public office, she won. But if you don't trust her and you're sick of business as usual in politics, you probably favoured him.
What they've done here is played to their existing bases, not likely persuaded any undecided voters through these performances. Overall that means she won the debate because he needs to do more than she does to attract more voters if he wants any hope of winning the election.
So overall, a victory for Clinton.
I think that summed it up completely, he isn't finished but the defib is on standby.
An interesting but cringeworthy episode
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast
At times it seemed that Bill was the one up for election not Hillary. Probably the best bit was the moderator after listenting to Trump for 2 mins ask him the same question to see if he was interested in answering it rather than whatever tangent he had just gone off one.
Yeah you can see the input of Farage, he was bullying and unrepentant, he won't have win over any moderates with his maniacal demeanour, but the core will love it.
He won't have convinced anyone, after all that bad press,that he respects women by intimidating and ranting away at Hilary, but he's obviously too far gone to see that
So, when is he going to release his tax details?
Apparently Trump needs to win over the "undecideds". I am really struggling to see how you could be "undecided" or not on whether to vote for him? And what would it take to win over someone who is thinking that a vote for Trump is a reasonable course of action?
Supposedly undecideds saw the debate as 44/41 to Clinton
One commentator said something like - Trump won the debate but the bar was set incredibly low
I think Trump's probably right when he says if he wins Hillary will go to jail (for breaching security rules and covering it up)
1 month to go
I suspect Trump will be in Prison long before Clinton, surely it's just a matter of time before an underage sex tape turns up from his miss teen USA pageant days.
I think Trump's probably right when he says if he wins Hillary will go to jail (for breaching security rules and covering it up)
For what crime? Given that the FBI said that no crime had been committed (although they were very critical of her behaviour) I fail to see what he can do about it. Just because you are president of the USA doesn't mean you can just send people to jail!
I am really struggling to see how you could be "undecided" or not on whether to vote for him?
I suspect at least some of them are people who (possibly quite rightly) don't trust Clinton but are undecided if they can stomach voting for Trump to keep her out.
I think Trump's probably right when he says if he wins Hillary will go to jail (for breaching security rules and covering it up)
I think that was already covered as unconstitutional, maybe even a proper one not just an ammendment.
Problem for Trump is the undecided don't all live in the right places, no need to convince people in the deep south to vote for you they are the done deals. Last predictions had it at something like 320 for Clinton she needs 270. Trumps business dealings will all be getting a good look over for the next few weeks, I believe there are more tapes too.
Light relief: anyone seen Jimmy Kimmel's "Drunk Donald Trump" skits. Quite amusing:
Oh and just for balance:
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I've just watched the debate recorded from last night. Clinton absolutely blew him off the floor imho. He said nothing of substance, no policy, no plan, other than to trash-talk her.
I've just watched the debate recorded from last night. Clinton absolutely blew him off the floor imho. He said nothing of substance, no policy, no plan, other than to trash-talk her.
Which is exactly what gained him his popularity with the core of his support. I keep telling everyone that you have to stop thinking of politics in the accepted sense of the word.
The new politics is one in which you must NEVER apologise or be contrite. The way to get out a corner is to (preferably) double down and say/do something even more outrageous. Then use this sheer chutzpah to portray yourself as a 'non-politician' a 'straight-talker' and someone who thinks that common decency is some kind of left-wing invention.
They'll love you for it.
The real art is in actually winning over the undecided voters - we must pray that the US citizenship rejects this vile excuse for a man.
[quote=dantsw13 ]I've just watched the debate recorded from last night. Clinton absolutely blew him off the floor imho. He said nothing of substance, no policy, no plan, other than to trash-talk her.
Of course Clinton won the debate on policy, she always has and always will, because he doesn't have a clue. You have to consider the audience though - a lot of them won't be won over by that and him landing blows on her will convince some of them (even those not his core voters).
I'm wondering just how vindictive Clinton is given his threats against her. It would be surprising if there isn't something he could be jailed for given prosecutors with sufficient motivation.
If the GOP were hoping for a contrite apology they will be severely disappointed.
I loved the last question - much like the interview favourite "What's your biggest weakness?"
Trumps reply that she was a fighter & never gives up was a complete 180 from his stance that "she doesn't have the stamina"
a lot of them won't be won over by that and him landing blows on her will convince some of them (even those not his core voters)
Hopefully it doesn't matter... With a good turn out in the right places he doesn't have the numbers.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast
Same link as above but the popular vote figures can be very misleading as its mostly winner takes all per state and Trump is popular (or hasn't upset enough people who would never vote democrat) in the places that count small.
Problem for Trump is [s]the undecided don't all live in the right places,[/s] Trump
oldnpastit - MemberSo, when is he going to release his tax details?
I believe he's got his People monitoring STW at this very moment and when jamblya posts something accurate or meaningful, the tax returns will be released.
The debate was cringeworthy
20 seconds responding to the actual question then a rambling attack on the other candidate for the remaining time.
Trump is a lunatic and you almost have to admire his approach of not giving a **** and not pandering to anyone
Hilary is dignified and composed but her answers are textbook politician speak every time and she's very insincere
Trump is a lunatic and you almost have to admire his approach of not giving a **** and not pandering to anyoneHilary is dignified and composed but her answers are textbook politician speak every time and she's very insincere
Essentially, this is why Trump is going to win
People are just tired of the same old shit, Clinton is as establishment as establishment gets, and nobody believes the predictions of doom and disaster from the left, because they [i]always[/i] predict doom and disaster.
People are just tired of the same old shit, Clinton is as establishment as establishment gets, and nobody believes the predictions of doom and disaster from the left, because they always predict doom and disaster.
I had that conversation with a mate the other day.
He was a Brexiter and didn't like comparisons between Brexit and Trump - but the parallels seem obvious to me: people are sick of "the establishment" not working for them, they want [i]any[/i] other option that will give the establishment a kick in the teeth, and if the establishment warns them against it then that's just more evidence that it is the "right" option.
It is exactly the same reason that our country has "had enough of experts". That phrase was a deliberate mental enforcer that Brexit was not the "establishment" option.
Trump constantly bangs on about the establishment not wanting him in. That the media are united against him. All the same thing. Straight out of the same handbook. Surprised he hasn't named it Project Fear.
[b]People are just tired of the same old shit[/b], Clinton is as establishment as establishment gets, and nobody believes the predictions of doom and disaster from the left, because they always predict doom and disaster.
Well that's as good a reason as any for [s]throwing your vote away[/s] voting for the Trumpette. Much like some of the Brexiters who didn't think it through. How many Trumpette voter will live to regret their decision?
Clinton is as establishment as establishment gets
Ditto for Trump & Farage - neither are men of the people. Those who think they are need to lay off the KoolAid.
Trump is a billionaire & Farage is en ex-city boy, establishment credentials if ever there were any.....
they want any other option that will give the establishment a kick in the teeth, and if the establishment warns them against it then that's just more evidence that it is the "right" option.
Got in one - poor deluded fools.
Well that's as good a reason as any for throwing your vote away voting for the Trumpette
But its true
like it or not, the message Trump is sending to people about jobs and future is a lot more positive than what they see in front of themselves with Clinton - those leaked private speeches about free trade etc. that Hilary was making to bankers haven't really hit home in the aftermath of 'p***ygate, but are likely to over the next week.
Too many were expecting Trump to crash and burn in last nights debate, and he came out swinging
I reckon this could have been be the pivotal moment of the campaign - both because it was offhand, heartfelt and because it will have really pulled back and reunited the republican support base who still [i]really[/i] dont trust her . But it wasn't the only blow he landed, the Emails issue had Clinton on the ropes, as did the Benghazi discussion, she had no defence to either of them.
Trump won't win for the simple reason that he's a nasty bigoted arseh*le who bullies people and speaks his mind. And has done so for the last 30 or so years in the limelight. If even 0.01% of his conversations in that period have been recorded, he's screwed. The latest rumour is him using the N word, which will probably be the final nail if true.
Unless Cilnton actually has a few Lewinskys buried under her patio, then she wins by default.
Too many were expecting Trump to crash and burn in last nights debate, and he came out swinging
Only to those who wish to see it that way.
His whole rhetoric is built on ifs, buts and maybes. The supporting muppets understand this as fact and promises, and he does nothing to correct them. Much like Farage backtracking on the £350m for the NHS within less than 24 hours of the polls closing. Did it only occur to him at that point that the message was misleading?
By the time they've realised the mistake, it'll be too late.
Intelligence tests for all at the polling stations. 😈
I think ninfan has a point, just look at sites like Breitbart to see what his supporters think...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/10/art-comeback-donald-trumps-debate-win-propels-him-white-house/
It's the undecideds that matter though, and i'm not sure Trump is winning them over.
Too many were expecting Trump to crash and burn in last nights debate, and he came out swinging
Hillary went easy on him. If she buried him, he might be replaced.
She wants him standing, but discredited.
Hillary went easy on him. If she buried him, he might be replaced.She wants him standing, but discredited.
This - the next few weeks, more and more off-air Apprentice footage etc will leak, which will eventually see him off. There is no way Donald Trump has been Donald Trump for 30 odd years in the limelight, without leaving a goldmine of video clips and soundbites which will come back to haunt him. He'll get slowly destroyed close to the election, with no time to install a replacement.
It's already too late as voting has started. That's why the Republicans are starting to distance themselves - lose the Oval Office, but retain the senate majority has to be the play for them now.
This - the next few weeks, more and more off-air Apprentice footage etc will leak, which will eventually see him off
It might not though - for the reasons stated above. He'll portray it as "the establishment" trying to shut him down and it'll rally certain types of voters to him.
Watch Katrina Pierson, Trump's spokesperson, defending him.
Almost immediately she turns it around to [i]"he has been fighting against both sides of [b]the establishment[/b], he's been fighting against the media.."[/i]
Read the comments below that video on YouTube and it's all about how the report is unfair, the presenter is a Clinton shill etc etc. I mean this is [i]FOX News[/i] FFS and they are still saying it is on the side of the "libtards" and "hellary" 🙄
the message Trump is sending to people about jobs and future is a lot more positive than what they see in front of themselves with Clinton
Yup, like blaming China for stealing all America's manufacturing jobs then having Trump branded ties made in China. definitely the message of a man trying to save America's economy.
A bit like the message that farage is "a man who knows how to run a campaign". Of nearly 700 seats in Westminster and around 220 in Holyrood, how many have got UKIP arses sitting on them? and remind me which Westminster constituency does Farage represent?
. But it wasn't the only blow he landed, the Emails issue had Clinton on the ropes, as did the Benghazi discussion, she had no defence to either of them.
Errr, I was watching the second debate right? Just that doesn't seem how it went to me.
If we are actually going to call it a debate, not a Jeremy Kyle show, Clinton won it hands down. I half expected Trump to start high-5ing the audience after his flippant comments, shouting "Who's the Man!!!!"
It might not though - for the reasons stated above. He'll portray it as "the establishment" trying to shut him down and it'll rally certain types of voters to him.
It all depends what leaks.. if the N word comments are true, then I'm not sure how they can spin that. Similarly with the underage girl lawsuit. Certain controversial comments can work in his favour, but others can't be defended - it all depends what's waiting in the archives..
Errr, I was watching the second debate right? Just that doesn't seem how it went to me.
Frank Luntz is massively respected in US polling and says it was game changer:
Quite mind boggling :((
Fox is SO pro-Republican it isn't true.
Ninfan do you have any unbiased reports that say Trump isn't a disaster? 'Calm and strong'? No one who watched that debate would describe him like that.
"Undecided" indeed, just republican voters undecided whether they bring themselves to vote for a dick.
do you have any unbiased reports that say Trump isn't a disaster?
Expectations are so low, Jessica Valenti from the Guardian sums it up: "People will say that Trump won simply because he didn’t spontaneously combust on stage."
Ninfan do you have any unbiased reports that say Trump isn't a disaster?
You mean like all the ones that reckoned that Trump was such a disaster that he could [b]never[/b] win the republican candidacy?
"Last predictions had it at something like 320 for Clinton she needs 270."
This. The electoral votes are all that matters and they are overwhelmingly Clinton's way.
The bookies know this and they've got Clinton at 1-4 and Trump at 4-1.
There was less hysteria when the Nazis were the other side of the channel, people really need to get a grip.
danstw you should get some kind of award for watching any US Presidential debate never mind one with Trump, sadly (imo) they ARE the Jeremy Kyke show and have been like that for decades, its why I won't watch them or anything in the UK either.
Based on the political leanings of STW its impossible to judge a US election as an American would, even the most right wing STWer is to the left of Clinton unless there is one of us who does not believe in state health care or a welfare state then they'd be even with her (she was also very anti Gay marriage until Obama wanted to push that through)
The electoral votes are all that matters and they are overwhelmingly Clinton's way.The bookies know this and they've got Clinton at 1-4 and Trump at 4-1.
Hmm, I heard much the same against the chances of a Tory majority at the last election....
and then I heard much the same in the run up to the EU referendum as well as it happens...
Indeed. At least Lineker did a token 30 seconds in baggy boxers whereas I never saw Paddy Pantsdown eat any hats and the private polling done by Hedge Funds had a Remain win (rationale for Farage - "we've narrowly
lost"). The US media is generally against Trump and they commission the polls, the question to be asked, the demographic tested etc. I would be very suspicious of polling and the reporting of "opinion"
Trump rose to the top of the presidential candidates for the same reason they now can't get rid of him, he's a floater.
🙂
Trump won the nomination as he was the best candidate 😐
Clinton is terrible.
This is the big worry
Graham The FBI investigating Clinton is quite different than a Trump President scouring all Government archives including deleted email servers. IMO it would be a total sh.t show
just watching this "debate" just now. they really should just cancel this election.
If they really are so hated, why aren't the independents doing any better?
Who lost the debate?
The US and the rest of us.
End of civilisation/society stuff that the leadership debate should be so tawdry. Appalling.
If Clinton is in power there will be more trouble all over the globe.
No Clinton for me.
Based on the political leanings of STW its impossible to judge a US election as an American would, even the most right wing STWer is to the left of Clinton unless there is one of us who does not believe in state health care
I have met plenty of Americans that can see the benefit of state health.
Wife's family and a lot of their friends are republicans (thankfully her not) and they were in a real tight spot. On the one hand a democrat, on the other Donald Trump. Neither a good option for them.
Donald's latest mistake has given many of them the excuse they needed not to vote for him.
Donald's true personality will reveal itself sound bite by sound bite, making it easier and easier for republicans to desert him. Sure, his hardcore will still support him.
The times they are a changin and his sexist, racist "locker room talk" is no longer tolerable in politics.
What is the possibility that ordinary people can rub shoulders with politician?fourbanger - Member
The times they are a changin and his sexist, racist "locker room talk" is no longer tolerable in politics.
What is the possibility that ordinary people can hear the "locker room talk" by politicians?
The answer: Absolutely nil for 99.999999% of the population.
I thankfully didn't rub shoulders with Trump, but I still managed to hear him say how he'd grab a random woman he liked the look of by the fanny (English meaning of the term).
Must have been magic..
fourbanger - Member
I thankfully didn't rub shoulders with Trump, but I still managed to hear him say how he'd grab a random woman he liked the look of by the fanny (English meaning of the term).Must have been magic..
Is that the first time you heard blokes talk?
A lot of my friends are womanzing scumbags, to give you an idea of how slimy a few of them are - one once took an amazing stripper home after spotting her in the club without ever paying her anything, but they'd never say something like that....
Is that how you talk about women? Do you like to tell all your mates how you sexually assault women?
Chewkw, you don't get it do you. Doesn't matter what you or I think.
The way he talks and specifically what he said in this instance, is unacceptable to many Americans. Enough so that many will not vote for him because of it.
Do you need any more help?
+1
Considering a lot of them are very very religously conservative and prude. I can't imagine many Southern Staters - with their almost English levels of politeness being very happy about him.
Graham The FBI investigating Clinton is quite different than a Trump President scouring all Government archives including deleted email servers. IMO it would be a total sh.t show
Don't think you meant to direct that at me jamba, but to be honest I can't see how Trump, president or not, would have any more luck than the FBI. If the email servers have been deleted in accordance with gov guidelines then not even the NSA will be recovering them.
Tom_W1987 - Member
A lot of my friends are womanzing scumbags, one once took an amazing stripper home without ever paying her anything, but they'd never say something like that....
In other part of the world the action of your friend is totally unacceptable.
However, in terms of speaking dirty (not assault btw) there are worst ...
MSP - Member
Is that how you talk about women?
Amongst some blokes that's how they communicate with each others when they talk about women. That is why I asked the question whether that was the first time s/he heard blokes talks.
We don't do such thing.Do you like to tell all your mates how you sexually assault women?
fourbanger - Member
The way he talks and specifically what he said in this instance, is unacceptable to many Americans. Enough so that many will not vote for him because of it.Do you need any more help?
Yes, it is unacceptable if he speaks publicly about his fantasies whatever that is but that is a private conversation between two blokes.
If you cannot distinguish between private and public conversation I cannot help you.
In other part of the world the action of your friend is totally unacceptable.However, in terms of speaking dirty (not assault btw) there are worst ...
I know Chewkw - usually I'm pretty tolerant of your posts but Trump isn't defendable on this point.
Tom_W1987 - Member
I know Chewkw - usually I'm pretty tolerant of your posts but Trump isn't defendable on this point.
It is not acceptable if you are well known but you need to realise that was a private conversation between two blokes.
The question is why is that conversation "accidentally" recorded?
Do you record private conversation only to release them to the public?
Where are the privacy of thoughts, speech and expression?
If you think you can find "sainthood" in politicians then think again because most are rotten to the core.
If you think you can find "sainthood" in politicians then think again because most are rotten to the core.
Are byou now saying that Trump is a vile piece of work or is this a bizarre attempt at defending him?
When Trump made these comments, he was AT WORK! Making a documentary, talking to a work colleague, in front of other colleagues, one of whom recorded it. That kind of talk in the workplace is Gross misconduct and an immediate dismissal.
Neither. To me most politicians are not saints.captainsasquatch - Member
Are byou now saying that Trump is a vile piece of work or is this a bizarre attempt at defending him?
Why didn't they object to his comments at that time? Shouldn't they just tell him off for his comments? He can say whatever he wants at work and it is up to their own internal company policy to deal with him.dantsw13 - Member
When Trump made these comments, he was AT WORK! Making a documentary, talking to a work colleague, in front of other colleagues, one of whom recorded it.
Not if two blokes are having a private conversation softly without wanting others to hear them. But if you stick your nose/ear and listen (tape) their conversation then essentially you are invading individual privacy is it not? Would you like someone to tape your conversation or object to hearing your private conversation at work?That kind of talk in the workplace is Gross misconduct and an immediate dismissal.
Yes, it is unacceptable if he speaks publicly about his fantasies whatever that is but that is a private conversation between two blokes.
He is on record [b]publicly[/b] suggesting, in an interview, that he'd like to have sex with his own daughter.
He is also on record admitting to walking through the models dressing rooms at his beauty pageants so he can see them naked, which the models have publicly complained about.
In the "pussy grabbing" story, he knew he was being filmed. He knew he was miked up.
Is this really a man you could entrust with state secrets and the nuclear trigger??