Yes Trump's tweet might be strictly speaking accurate in what it says
Exactly
Beyond that it's all just leftie jumping-up-and-down noise
I'm sure most people reading that will think...
Ah, stupid people you mean, proles, who have to be protected from themselves by the righteous left...
The lack of additional information is the whole point.
Only if you want to try and make a story out of nothing because you're still upset you lost the election
The lack of additional information is the whole point.
Only if you want to try and make a story out of nothing because you're
The lack of addition info is the massive point, it's at the heart of Trump. He is making a deliberatly inflamatory statement that way exceeds the scale of the alleged issue. It's either massivly uniformed or deliberatly misleading. At this point the election is over, what is of concearn to people is the next president of the USA who is either an evil genius or just a sad old man prone to irational outbursts at whoever might have upset him this morning.
[quote=ninfan ]Ah, stupid people you mean, proles, who have to be protected from themselves by the righteous left...
OK, so taken in isolation what interpretation would a highly intelligent person like you make of Trump's tweet? I note that those insulting words about ordinary people are your words not mine, I made no such suggestion or even insinuation.
Only if you want to try and make a story out of nothing because you're still upset you lost the election
I'm assuming you missed my second post, as you're surely not ignoring it. So I'll repeat my questions:
Could you point out to me what exactly is inaccurate about the HP story? Maybe whilst you're at it you could explain whether the Trump tweet gives an accurate impression of the facts?
He is making a deliberatly inflamatory statement that way exceeds the scale of the alleged issue.
Where?
[i]“General Motors is sending Mexican made model of Chevy Cruze to U.S. car dealers-tax free across border,” [/i]
Where does that indicate the 'scale of the alleged issue'
It doesn't
It's a simple, bland, factual statement
Anything about 'scale' is entirely in your own mindset, its not in any way indicated in his tweet. You've either read it into it yourself, or absorbed it from the spin in the Huff posts presentation and their agenda
read the actual post, and it's [b]impossible[/b] to read the 'scale' you suggest into it.
Could you point out to me what exactly is inaccurate about the HP story? Maybe whilst you're at it you could explain whether the Trump tweet gives an accurate impression of the facts?
AS I have said several times above, they have built a story out of nothing, it's entirely built out of an 'interpretation' of the tweet seeking to portray that it said or implied more than it actually said. It intoned a spin that you cannot imply from Trumps actual tweet,
Trumps tweet was entirely accurate, anything beyond what he actually said is hype
What is inaccurate about the HP story, ninfan?
Where did I say the HP story was inaccurate aracer?
[quote=ninfan ]It intoned a spin that you cannot imply from Trumps actual post
That's a pretty good spin even for you. So you're suggesting it's totally impossible to imply from Trump's tweet that all Chevy Cruzes sold in the US are imported from Mexico? 🙄
Actually with that I'm going to take back my suggestion that you're highly intelligent until such time as you admit to the only other possible interpretation.
ninfan - Member"Fake-News from the lefties"
"gullible lefties"
"it's all just leftie jumping-up-and-down noise"
"the righteous left"
You really are tedious ninfan. But then I guess being tedious and attempting to wind-up people is your intention - it presumably makes you feel ever so clever.
So you're suggesting it's totally impossible to imply from Trump's tweet that all Chevy Cruzes sold in the US are imported from Mexico?
Yes, I would say it's entirely impossible to [b]imply[/b] that from the words Trump tweeted
But then I guess being tedious and attempting to wind-up people is your intention - it presumably makes you feel everso clever.
Cleverer than bandwagon jumping anti Trump lefties who have to make things up and rely on things that they think, miht, possibly, somehow, perhaps be [u]implied[/u] to attack him, because they still can't handle the fact that in two weeks he becomes the most powerful man in the world 😆
Still, it's remarkable how, despite being so tedious, the sad sack lefties always rise to the bait, isn't it Ernie? See, even you crawled out from under your bridge to hop up and down in desperation.
In a world with out 1 and 0 as the answers to everything ninfan.
Why would suddenly the production of 4,500 cars catch the eye of the President Elect, what made him think I must tweet about that. As noted in the very well researched article there was nothing in any new coverage around that time.
AS I have said several times above, they have built a story out of nothing, it's entirely built out of an 'interpretation' of the tweet seeking to portray that it said or implied more than it actually said. It intoned a spin that you cannot imply from Trumps actual tweet,
If you want to contest every statement as a pedant/troll then go for it[b] but the real part is why was this said, why now?[/b] He has a well documented history of using twitter outbursts as a magician uses distraction for the slight of hand tricks. While you are looking at cars in Mexico (well the US really) nobody is looking at something else. The 2 stories I linked to tell you more, he is having to backtrack a bit on jumping in with Assange (because he said something he liked) which will not go down well with any of the Republicans let alone a lot of his supporters. He is about to get his security briefing despite claiming to have all of the answers already and know with all certainty that there is nothing suspicious going on at all.
You have fallen hook line and sinker for the bait ninfan, running off to argue a case (as pointed out the HP article was very factual and opened witht he lines questioning why drop that now)
Expect a lot more of this as Trump needs to cover business dealings, intelligence briefings and some seriously dodgy looking nominations in the next few days.
Edit
There we go
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-06/donald-trump-gives-deposition-against-chef-amid-legal-battles/8165204
That is what else is going on today
[quote=ninfan ]Where did I say the HP story was inaccurate aracer?
Given you're struggling to remember what you wrote recently and is on the last page still, here's a reminder:
[quote=ninfan ]More Fake-News from the lefties eh Mike...
Though we could always just try this question: where did anybody say the Trump tweet was inaccurate?
Expect a lot more of this as Trump needs to cover business dealings, intelligence briefings and some seriously dodgy looking nominations in the next few days.
Why, what are they going to do? Cancel his inauguration? 😆
[quote=ninfan ]Yes, I would say it's entirely impossible to imply that from the words Trump tweeted
Well if you really believe that then I definitely retract my assessment of your intelligence. Though I'm bored now - this one ranks alongside the way you always protest that something isn't racist because the people being attacked or discriminated against aren't a race, as if that makes everything OK.
[quote=ernie_lynch ]You really are tedious ninfan. But then I guess being tedious and attempting to wind-up people is your intention - it presumably makes you feel ever so clever.
It's quite telling that he seems to need to feel clever - I'd hope you find it amusing that he appears to be referring to me amongst others with his "leftie" jibes!
Why, what are they going to do? Cancel his inauguration?
Well it depends if he wants to spend the next 4 years pushing his plans or fighting. He could face serious legal challenges over several business details, he stands to break his companies lease on the Post Office Hotel in Washington the second he finishes the inaguration, him and his family will become a magnet for entrapment and honey pot type stories - we had our first 2 selling access stories already.
The second he tries to enact his import taxes his businesses will be in the spotlight due to their massive reliance on imports from places like Mexico and China, thats going to be a fun one to deal with isn't it - maybe that is why there hasn't been a press conference too many hard questions.
I belive at the time not many saw this coming but by then end it was seen as inevitable
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_process_against_Richard_Nixon
No I don't find the leftie jibes amusing aracer, even when used against you. Ninfan is like a stuck badly worn vinyl record with his tediously predictable "leftie" jibes.
He really ought to think of something else to say. But I suspect that he lacks the intellectual capacity and imagination to do so. It's sad really.
I'd say it's telling that you now admit the entire story relies on something that you [b]think[/b] was [b]implied[/b] rather than anything that was actually said.
Funny though, lots of leftie stories seem to rely on them extrapolating what people actually say into what their own twisted little mindset leads them to think someone might have actually meant.
No wonder they keep losing elections
[quote=ninfan ]I'd say it's telling that you now admit the entire story relies on something that you think was implied rather than anything that was actually said.
I'm guessing you either still think what was implied is unimportant, or more likely you're simply in denial as usual.
[quote=ernie_lynch ]He really ought to think of something else to say. But I suspect that he lacks the intellectual capacity and imagination to do so. [s]It's sad really.[/s] Sad.
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To be fair, sometimes it's hard to work out what he is going on about anway.
What you seem to be missing/trolling is the intent behind his tweets, isn't it strange he hasn't said much puiblically. For instance a well briefed reporter on the Car issue would have replied - it's only a time sub section of the sales of a car that is nearly all sold outside of the US. While on twitter he can leave people to make up their own minds.
On intelligence he is really flipping all over the place
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So big fan of intellegence but tweets that it's "perhaps more time needed to build a case Very Strange" that they need more time? What is he implying here, that they are note sure what happened? Leaving people to doubt the intellegence community?
He did manage to give the opinion he was directly quoting Assange as if to agree with him (well I'm sure ninfan and jamby didn't get that one)
aracer - MemberI'm guessing you either still think what was implied is unimportant, or more likely you're simply in denial as usual.
Funnily enough the Telegraph, sometimes referred to as the Torygraph, but never the Leftiegraph, felt that what was implied was quite important. This is what they told their readers :
[i]"Mr Trump tweeted to CM that he would slap a tax on the company importing compact cars to the US from Mexico.
But GM makes the vast majority of compact Chevrolet Cruzes in Lordstown, Ohio, near Cleveland".[/i]
Notice the use of the word "but", it clearly suggests that the Telegraph considered that Trump's tweet might give the wrong impression.
Although I fully expect ninfan to inform us the [i]Torygraph[/i] is also part of the "leftie" conspiracy.
[quote=ernie_lynch ]Although I fully expect ninfan to inform us the Torygraph is also part of the "leftie" conspiracy.
😆
Although I fully expect ninfan to inform us the Torygraph is also part of the "leftie" conspiracy.
Given where it appears out good friend sits on the political spectrum he is probably factually accurate in describing most people as lefties from his view point.
What you seem to be missing/trolling is the intent behind his tweets
How do you know what the intent behind his tweets is?
What makes you so sure that your interpretation is correct?
You are hopping up and down saying 'this is what he means' without ever having met the bloke.
although you might like to think you are 'interpreting' you neither recognise and admit your own inherent biases and how they might lead to to the wrong conclusion, or admit that in reality you are just guessing.
Drawing conclusions as to what someone else's intent is not only inherently unreliable, but doing it about someone who is diametrically opposed to you both culturally and politically is exponentially more so.
Lets see, why would he be pointing way over on the left of screen at the momnet
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/2017/01/05/d7099406-d355-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?utm_term=.52a3068c33f8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/top-us-cyber-officials-russia-poses-a-major-threat-to-the-countrys-infrastructure-and-networks/2017/01/05/36a60b42-d34c-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?utm_term=.615bd90abba5
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/us/politics/taking-aim-at-trump-leaders-strongly-affirm-findings-on-russian-hacking.html
How do you know what the intent behind his tweets is?What makes you so sure that your interpretation is correct?
Wducated guess, why does he insist on leaving things so open to interpritation?
Drawing conclusions as to what someone else's intent is is inherently unreliable, doing it about someone who is diametrically opposed to you both culturally and politically is exponentially more so.
All we can do is look at the information at our disposal. Repeatadly during the campaign he would launch a twitter outburst to distract people from what was going on elsewhere. In this case there were several things going on.
His business dealings and the fact he has not relinquished control
Russian Hacking Allergations
So top of his list is attacking the motor industry, as said there was nothing new about the GM info, it wasn't an expose, it wasn't a headline anywhere but he picked it up and flung it out there (mixed in with all that is a one liner about a press conference on the 11th of Jan)
It should at least lead people to ask why, to dig deeper and question, instead you decide to dismiss it out of hand as fake news (it wasn't) leftie knicker twisting (it wasn't) and then go on to debate the exact wording and intent (you seem to know what it's all about). How about you take a step back and look at the bigger picture here?
Do you not find it strange he doesn't engage with a media form he doesn't control? Twitter allows him to shout and delete the ones he doesn't like. He claims the MSM hate him but he won't speak to them. Imagine how the interview would have gone with a serious journalist.
DT - GM are making cars in Mexico and selling them to the US
Journo - How many
DT Many, lots, many so many so lots many
Journo - it's 4,500
DT Still Bad, very bad people
Journo - How much do Trump businesses import into the US and will you be happy to move that production back to the US
DT - Toyota are going to build a factory in Mexico - bad, very bad
Journo - In your failed University programme you stated that it was nessacary at times to move things off shore - is that still the case
DT - The Media Hate Me
[quote=ninfan ]How do you know what the intent behind his tweets is?
What makes you so sure that your interpretation is correct?
Because that's the way he works, and it's also the way any ordinary person would interpret it (including highly intelligent ones, though excluding the deluded fanbois). As ernie points out it's also the way that notorious leftie newspaper and home of the remoaners <sarcasm alert> the daily torygraph interprets it.
Ninfan in imagining you're amazed by magicians as you don't seem to understand misdirection. Much like real magic, Trumps intelligence and policies don't exist behind the thin film of smoke and ill fitting suits.
Some people really are unhappy in life aren't they...Big cuddles to the angry ones I reckon.
gullible lefties never bother fact-checking
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kimbers - Memberooops
Crikey Washingtonpost a severely biased one sided news that was so biased they look credible.
And the Mexican are not paying for the wall anymore!
US tax payer are .
ninfan » How do you know what the intent behind his tweets is?
What makes you so sure that your interpretation is correct?
aracer - Because that's the way he works
😆 so what makes you so sure of that? Let me guess, a newspaper said so? (And as for the once proud Torygraph, when did that become pro-Trump?
chewkw - Crikey Washingtonpost a severely biased one sided news that was so biased they look credible.
Watch it chewy, they'll be along with a completely unbiased CNN report to support it in a minute
When will grown ups realise that ****ter is best left to kids to play with?
cchris2lou - Member
And the Mexican are not paying for the wall anymore!
US tax payer are .
The Mexican will pay ... 🙄
why is "the Donald" so anti the US Intellegence agencies? They have given him plenty opportunities to say (on ****ter if he likes) "That Putin chap he's a bit of a rascal meddling in our affairs but I would have won anyway so who cares now". He's protesting far too much and belittling his own side makes it looks like he's guilty of/hiding something. Maybe he doesn't want to piss Vlad off too much just in case he replies "Hey Donald I was only doing what you asked me too" 😉
he is doing it because he is a bully and he is used to bullying his employees or sacking them so he will try to shout them down as that is the sort of person he is.
he will take this mentality into government and it wont work well as some of them are there to serve the country with honesty and integrity rather than do what he says to get the paycheck
He probably has never encountered folk who cannot be bought so he may be in for a rude awakening- actually both sides might
Agreed re his reasons and his denials and using Assange as evidence whilst ignoring the countries own agencies is bordering on delusional madness.
I suspect he will be at war with his party and his agencies in a very short period of time- he may even be there before being sworn in
Perhaps because he's not daft enough to think that if the US castigated Russia for it, Russia wouldn't immediatley turn round and accuse the US of hypocrisy by pointing out a long, long list of American mis-deeds and tampering in elections worldwide for decades?
Are any of you really naive enough to believe that this isn't what both sides have been doing for donkeys years? Are any of you really stupid enough to not see that not only has Russia got exactly the same type of plausible deniability in place that the Americans have used for years (there is no smoking gun, it's all inferred and suggestions and stuff routed past third, fourth and even fifth parties). Is anyone daft enough to think that the Russians haven't already manoeuvred themselves to reveal proof of American tampering in the Ukraine elections as soon as the US tries to criticise?
I've stayed away from this thread 'cos blood pressure but this made me LOL so I thought i'd share...
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So why USA going public on Russian hacking?
So why USA going public on Russian hacking?
Because pork barrel politics still counts for a lot in the US, and lots of people in what is commonly called the 'military industrial complex' have jobs that rely on military spending, and lots of US politicians constituents have jobs and business interests that rely on military bases, factories etc. for their living.
They desperately need a new Cold War to keep this going, now that the war on terror is, essentially, winding down, and they are worried that Trump will slash military spending by reigning in US international military commitments
Trump is absolutely right in his approach of hammering all those low energy politicians. Those politicians haven't had it so good for so long so deserve all the hammering. Good on Trump. He should hammer them harder.
wwaswas - Member
I've stayed away from this thread 'cos blood pressure but this made me LOL so I thought i'd share...
That's brilliant. Absolutely good that ... at least in that photo shop he showed some interest in PM May. Yea, grab that. On the other hand even if low energy Merkel or Mrs Clinton offer to be grabbed I doubt Trump will even be bothered to go anyway close ... Nobody wants to grab them even when they are free. 😆
Yes, CNN is another low energy news media ... 😆ninfan - Member
Watch it chewy, they'll be along with a completely unbiased CNN report to support it in a minute
where the hell did that photo come from? 😀
RE Fake News/Hacking/Misdirection...... @1:25+
teamhurtmore - Member
where the hell did that photo come from?
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I shared that on facebook and a trumper had a go at me for it, next thing you know it was taken down for showing a sexual assult!
'O the ironing
In Merica there is so much fake news they have become way of life. Some are so good they sound credible and some low energy media who are so lazy to get their own news or too slow, due to low energy, to get their own news they practically use other fake news. 😆
