in reality it’s being spent at American arms manufacturers and supporting skilled well paid jobs across the country
Exactly.. Arms manufacture is huge business in America... This conflict is almost a gift to them... They can hugely boost that industry and weaken Russia at the same time, and Ukraine will be racking up huge debts with them without the US getting directly involved.
You'd think they would see that as a win/win/win situation
I’ve been a bit puzzled for a while at the Republican opposition to supplying military aid to Ukraine
Cos the real money is made by the Israeli war machine?
You’d think they would see that as a win/win/win situation
The contractual nature of lend-lease is that they only pay for what is 'used', So if a tank get's blown up (or a shell fired), it's free.
It's why there are occasional stories about intact WW2 fighters being dug up in fields, the USSR couldn't afford to buy them after the war, and the western allies that supplied them didn't want he hardware back (they wanted the money) so the Soviets just made them disappear.
The contractual nature of lend-lease is that they only pay for what is ‘used’, So if a tank get’s blown up (or a shell fired), it’s free.
I'm confused. Isn't " fired " pretty much the definition of " used" when talking about a shell....
Yup, it's where the GOP got a first, exhilarating taste of playing dirty and using their media outriders (Primarily Fox) to force through their narrative.
So much of what we're seeing now could trace it's origins back to either the Florida recount and Nixon's Southern Strategy.
The contractual nature of lend-lease is that they only pay for what isn't ‘used’, So if a tank get’s blown up (or a shell fired), it’s free.
I’m confused. Isn’t ” fired ” pretty much the definition of ” used” when talking about a shell….
Sorry, I made a typo that reverses the meaning. See bold for the correction.
They only pay for whatever is remaining / stockpiled at the end of the war.
As if Trump’s got 8 more years of life.
Trouble is that the stage will be set for who comes next.
Trouble is that the stage will be set for who comes next.
I think this is Vance's medium/long term game.
MAGA won't die with Trump and Vance is a truly nasty piece of poo, with the mental faculty to make his agenda happen if in power.
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I’m going to watch Idiocracy again tonight to prepare me for what’s coming.
Yeah, I'll confess I never expected to see that turn into a documentary!
I think Trump will win.
The last 8-9 years have seriously damaged my confidence in electorate in lots of places.
Lots of anecdotes of people being interviewed, women, minorities etc
"Yeah I think he's a horrible person, but I'm voting for him because...."
I'm starting to get a bad feeling
Why the **** can't voters in western democracies see how ****ing good they've got it compared to the rest of the world and vote accordingly?
Beats me every time.
Because whilst the poor have never had it so good, they’re still really bloody poor and are becoming more so every year. As such, they’re desperate for something, anything that might offer some hope for changing that. They’ve seen politicians of all parties and all persuasions come and go and nothing has changed. They then see someone radically different who’s offering something they want (even if there’s a lot they don’t) and they respond to that. Trump is pushing a lot of those single issue buttons and groups are responding as he’s the only one pushing that button. The exact same was true for Brexit, is true for Farage and Le Pen.
Has he declared victory yet?
He's declared there's 'massive cheating in Philadelphia'
Which is because turnout thee is high and he's bricking it that it will cost him pensylvania
Which is a positive sign
But quite frankly who knows, certainly Florida turnout by party registration seems very good for Trump so far and despite some positive signs there Dems have a mountain to climb in Nevada
Sierra Nevada no doubt.
If Puerto ricans tip it for Harris
That kill Tony comedian will have to go into hiding from a million angry MAGAs and the famously capricous bitter orange **** as well
He’s declared there’s ‘massive cheating in Philadelphia’
Which is because turnout thee is high and he’s bricking it that it will cost him pensylvania
Which is a positive sign
My thoughts as well. Though is he just hedging in case it goes against him..
On the opposite side, if Trump wins, the Gaza movement need to have a good hard look at themselves not voting for Harris.
Ive tried and tried but I can't get my head around how they arrived at that logic either, that a vote for Trump as a protest vote is good for the people if Gaza.
And I have tried to figure out why some people are convinced that a Trump presidency would be significantly worse for Gaza. What might Trump do with regards to Gaza that would any worse than what the Biden/Harris administration have done?
Netanyahu is doing whatever he damn well wants, why would Trump becoming president make any difference? I am really struggling to see how the situation in Gaza could possibly be any worse than it currently is.
Does anyone really believe that the far-right regime in Tel Aviv has been showing restraint because there is a Democrat President in the White House? What sort of monster do people think Israelis are that we haven't seen the worst of it yet?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wmOUteNMRiI?feature=share
Oh dear America.
What might Trump do with regards to Gaza that would any worse than what the Biden/Harris administration have done?
A whole lot of stuff. For example, tell Netanyahu that it would be fine to annex Gaza and deport all Gazans. Or just refuse to acknowledge that Gazans have any rights at all. Or impose a Muslim ban on entry into the U.S. and deport any Palestinians currently in the U.S., unleash the National Guard on any pro-Palestinian protests, and use the FBI to harass anyone who expresses a pro-Palestinian opinion on the grounds that they are an "enemy within." The list is endless. If Trump wins this, things will get much worse for Palestinians, anyone who imagines otherwise is fooling themselves. (And don't expect the Supreme Court to help, they've basically said that the President is beyond the law in carrying out Presidential duties.)
Well, as of today, if you are American and plan on leaving your own shores and don't want everyone you meet thinking you are a smear of shit and restaurant staff gobbing in your food you might consider taking this course:-
Absolute crackpots
They deserve what’s coming
But Ukraine don't. Nor the next state Russia/China/whoever decides to crush.
If we wonder how the great civilisations and empires of the past just collapsed, we are about to find out.
Absolute crackpots
They deserve what’s coming
If only it was limited to them.
At least we get to look forward to a fantastic "leopards ate my face" moment from the sweaty basement dwelling incel edgelords when Trump honors the promise he made to his Evangelical headbanger supporters and basically bans porn.
That's it, that's my silver lining, best I got right now.
He's doubled down on the JFK Jr pledge in his "victory" speech. An anti vaxer in charge of health care. WTAF.
He's made a lot of promises in this election.
God help Western Democracy if he delivers on them.
Project 2025 incoming.
I honestly believed that "normal" Americans would not allow this to happen, how wrong I was.
At least we get to look forward to a fantastic “leopards ate my face” moment from the sweaty basement dwelling incel edgelords when Trump honors the promise he made to his Evangelical headbanger supporters and basically bans porn.
That’s it, that’s my silver lining, best I got right now.
As if.
Plus, if you haven't figured it out yet, most of the Evangelical Headbangers like a crafty thrap to the Internet grumble. Hypocrisy is the foundation stone for 90% of them.
There is barely such a thing as a normal American, as proven by this result.
They have voted for the convicted felon and sex offender to be in charge of them, they have the result the vast majority wanted.
Plus I have just been 'treated' to that **** Farage on R4 clearly positioning himself as the UK's unofficial ambassador to Washington.
****, ****, ****, ****, ****.
At least we get to look forward to a fantastic “leopards ate my face” moment from the sweaty basement dwelling incel edgelords when Trump honors the promise he made to his Evangelical headbanger supporters and basically bans porn.
Theres more to that than meets the eye. The banning involves shutting down any telecoms, media or platform used to access 'porn' but elsewhere in their plans are to define any discussion or support of LGBT and Trans issues as 'pornographic' making libraries, schools, clinics and so on as much the focus of the ban.
Bugger...
MAGA and Brexit are basically the same empty promises over deliverable content.
But that appeals to folk who think they have very little or not as much as they used to, because the promises always offer more than a rational view of the deliverable.
