Plus I have just been ‘treated’ to that **** Farage on R4 clearly positioning himself as the UK’s unofficial ambassador to Washington.
Even for someone who looks like a toad his fawning toadying to Trump is embarrassing for all involved. I know geography clearly isn’t his strong point, but I wonder when someone’s going to inform him that his constituency of Clacton is actually this side of the Atlantic?
The repercussions could be worse for those outside the USA. That’s the worry.
It would be hilarious if the judge jails him at the end of the month
I see the US$ has reacted and now I have to find another £400 to pay our server bill on Monday.
Ouch.
I've just torn up a 12 month financial projection for similar reasons. It's crystal ball time, but with a huge helping of 'more expensive'.
I'm keeping the fuel topped up, just in case...
Jon Kaye our BBC correspondent out in Washington accidentally said earlier, "and back at the tramp rally", well it made me chuckle.
How has Trump, this disgusting criminal, lying toad managed this? His childish behaviour is cringe worthy.
As another British correspondent said - Trump a man involved in scandals and civil and criminal court cases.
Imo this oxygen thief has no graciousness or integrity, he blames everyone but himself for all his failings. This feels like the start of bad times.
Even for someone who looks like a toad his fawning toadying to Trump is embarrassing for all involved. I know geography clearly isn’t his strong point, but I wonder when someone’s going to inform him that his constituency of Clacton is actually this side of the Atlantic?
I thought his real constituency was about 1500 miles to the east of Clacton.
Imo this oxygen thief has no graciousness or integrity, he blames everyone but himself for all his failings.
Which is pretty much his appeal to his voter base of losers. Losers who imagine they are hard done to - despite having a higher standard of living than many 'winners' in the third world.
Plus I have just been ‘treated’ to that **** Farage on R4 clearly positioning himself as the UK’s unofficial ambassador to Washington.
Ah yes Farage. I was shocked to hear he was in the USA considering there was a debate about the future of the fishing industry yesterday.
Given his deep love and support for the fishing industry I thought he might turn up. OK he barely bothered when on the EU fisheries committee but now it was in Westminster.
The repercussions could be worse for those outside the USA. That’s the worry.
But when your strap line is MAGA, who cares about anyone else?
Thoughts and prayers for everyone
The repercussions could be worse for those outside the USA. That’s the worry.
It could however galvanise a rather disaffected EU. For too long the world (at least our world) has relied way too heavily on the US for security, leadership and even stuff like tech. It might be that an ascendant Trump doing all kinds of whack-job stuff domestically, combined with shutting down of foreign policy relations will actually lead to Europe (including us) pulling its finger out.
I suspect this time round that the rest of the world might be better prepared. I don't think anyone expected Trump to get in last time.
at least that's what I'm hoping
@benpinnick An isolationist US should definitely prompt closer European security cooperation if nothing else. Also need to accelerate decarbonisation as this makes us less dependent on other unsavoury regimes...
It could however galvanise a rather disaffected EU. For too long the world (at least our world) has relied way too heavily on the US for security, leadership and even stuff like tech. It might be that an ascendant Trump doing all kinds of whack-job stuff domestically, combined with shutting down of foreign policy relations will actually lead to Europe (including us) pulling its finger out.
It's a good point. The reduction of the influence of the US in broader global issues is a 2 way thing - the world is just as capable of shunning them and they are of walking away from us. Economically, politically, militarily but also culturally. This election has once and for all highlighted that as a collective, they are just not like us. We have far more in common with some European nations. If only there was a group that we could be part of to make a European union, to trade as a group, to have an impact on the world as a collective. That'd be great.
Looks like the rednecks got their president then. 4 Years of chaos to follow.
It could however galvanise a rather disaffected EU
We have seen **** all resistance across Europe to the rise of the right and the oligarchs, continued austerity, failure to even recognise the problems of neoliberalism never mind fix them, attacking the left and progressives rather than the causes of economic inequality and insecurity, no action to combat the flood of misinformation.
I see nothing more than further moves right, and a big push by the oligarchs to repeat their American success in Europe.
@benpinnick An isolationist US should definitely prompt closer European security cooperation if nothing else. Also need to accelerate decarbonisation as this makes us less dependent on other unsavoury regimes…
I hope so. I used to work for a US company and the number of times my boss tried to get me to move to the US was high, but always I turned him down because the US is ultimately a basket case; always has been, probably always will be. As far back as the civil war (Which wasn't that long ago in global terms remember) they've been a divided country with the coastal populations and the inland populations in an uneasy truce. The balance of power will ebb and flow, and this time its flowed very strongly towards the isolationist camp. It will flow back again for sure. Hopefully our leaders and those around us will see the folly of reliance on the USA and move to strengthen our own propositions.
4 Years of chaos to follow.
At least it's his last 4 years,
I suspect this time round that the rest of the world might be better prepared. I don’t think anyone expected Trump to get in last time.
at least that’s what I’m hoping
There's a report on the BBC website about what Lammy & Starmer have done in laying the groundwork
He isn't going to last 4 years.
They will have him removed and vance in charge by March
Am I right in saying he has:
- won the popular vote.
- these here 'electoral college' votes.
- both houses.
- has a supreme court 'in his influence' in many ways, and the opportunity to influence it even more.
- a lot of very wealthy people 'in his influence' for what they can personally gain from the next few years.
This could be a very uncomfortable few years ahead.
It won’t be good for climate change, or rather it will….
They will have him removed and vance in charge by March
There is no mechanism for that other than impeachment
Wonder Putin, Kim Jong Un, Supreme Leader of Hungry and other despots will make the inauguration?
Am I right in saying he has:
– won the popular vote.
– these here ‘electoral college’ votes.
– both houses.
– has a supreme court ‘in his influence’ in many ways, and the opportunity to influence it even more.
– a lot of very wealthy people ‘in his influence’ for what they can personally gain from the next few years.This could be a very uncomfortable few years ahead.
Indeed. He's also got a ratification that he can't be prosecuted for anything he does as president as long as he is doing it as part of his presidency or some other fudge - basically he's above the law. By some margin this is the most powerful he has ever been - more so than in 2016. And, without the need to look good enough to look electable in 4 years time and a desire to leave a legacy....gulp.
Long and short of it though - you can't blame Trump for this. He is the essence of the Ronseal candidate in every way including skin treatment. He lies so blatantly that even the stupidest of people know that he's lying. His policies are simplistic to the point that it should not need explaining to anyone. But he has the complete mandate of the people to be their president. His is the very personification of the 2024 American psyche. We (as in the rest of the globe) should stop shaking our heads in wonder at Trump but should be shaking our heads in distaste and distrust at Americans as a collective group of people. The majority of them like and believe in this man - therefore 'we' need to see 'them' for what they are. It not that different to Putin, Russia and Russians. Putin is incredibly popular in Russia....which says some pretty dreadful things about Russians and a group of people.
So depressing:-(
I've been pussy footing about packing in twitter for a long time, seems a good day to finally walk away.
basically he’s above the law.
No different to Obama then. Torture program, rendition and more extra-judicial killings than any other president.
By some margin this is the most powerful he has ever been – more so than in 2016. And, without the need to look good enough to look electable in 4 years time and a desire to leave a legacy….gulp.
And I think after a few nights sleep, a need for vengeance on some people and countries and a total lack of care about anything other than his own pride.
Just had to express my dismay somewhere. What a twisted world. Thank god for the refuge of bikes.
Had undefined lurgy, then COVID, my dad died last week and now I watch this calamity unfold. Depressed doesn't cut it.
Ride your bikes folks.
I’ve been pussy footing about packing in twitter for a long time, seems a good day to finally walk away.
Just did that myself.
Sorry to hear that fella, take care of yourself.
He lies so blatantly that even the stupidest of people know that he’s lying
Watched a video of one of his supporters enthusiastically cheering his proposal to end income taxes and replace them with tariffs on foreign goods. This person was under the impression that the foreign sellers of those goods would be liable for the tariffs. It took 3 people to explain to him that the consumer will ultimately pay those tariffs, and even then I don't think the penny fully dropped with him
I suspect this time round that the rest of the world might be better prepared. I don’t think anyone expected Trump to get in last time.
at least that’s what I’m hoping
Counter to that is that Trump will be more prepared and clued-up this time when it comes to generals, officials etc seeking to frustrate his wilder schemes.
There is no mechanism for that other than impeachment
JFK would counter that.
They will have him removed and vance in charge by March
There is no mechanism for that other than impeachment
25th Amendment allows the cabinet to appoint the Vice-President as Acting President if the President is incapable of discharging his duties. Then it goes to Congress to decide whether to make it permanent or to reinstate the President.
Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
25th amendment gives that option to remove him.
I wouldn't be surprised to see it being used.
Ultimately I can't see him living through his full term given his clear decline, as much as I hate the UK for brexit, I am incredibly glad I live here and not over there
Yeah I was aware of that, but they're not going to say he's incompetent 2 months after he takes power
as much as I hate the UK for brexit
Different cheek, same arse.
It was the form the opportunity was presented in rather than the sentiment behind the result - if you get what I mean.
We are not the same as the US, but we are on the same path, do not be under any illusion.
You cant control it, but you can look to try and find positives - Trump will likely be good for big business. That means our isa’s, pensions & investments will ultimately likely do well.
The folk paying the price for this will be the average American will have what few rights they have go up in smoke and pay for our gains.
It should also accelerate our closer ties with Europe and the decoupling from the “special relationship“
Thanks for the suggestions thols2. However I still fail to be convinced that with regards to Gaza Trump will be significantly worse than Biden. The only leverage that Biden has used on Netanyahu are 'words' which Netanyahu has totally ignored, and nothing more.
Plenty of 'do not do this and you must do that', such as 'you must not go in Rafa' and 'do not expand the war into Lebanon', the result? The IDF attacks Rafa and invades Lebanon.
Without Trump as US president Israel is currently in the process of ethnically cleansing northern Gaza in preparation for illegal Israeli settlements, Joe Biden is doing absolutely nothing to stop them. Biden has accepted Israel's illegal annexation of East Jerusalem, he has done absolutely nothing to reverse Trump's decision to move the US embassy to Jerusalem.
Yesterday Ireland established full diplomatic relations with Palestine accepting a fully accredited Palestinian ambassador (much to the disgust of Israel) the UK still has not recognised the State of Palestine despite it being clear Labour Party policy to do so.
Why the difference? Because of this mythical "Special Relationship" and the United States being the UK's closest ally no UK PM wants to step out of line with the US, in contrast Ireland has no such issues. Will a Labour PM slavishly follow US foreign policy as set out by Donald Trump, or will they have the courage of their own convictions?
I suspect that the only significant difference between Biden and Trump when it comes to Israel is that Biden's commitment to Israel is far more genuine than Trump's. I don't doubt that Trump doesn't care about the huge and irreparable damage Netanyahu is doing to Israel, as Netanyahu destroys Israel in pursuit of the goal of saving his own skin.
Trump becoming US president for the second time is a massively negative development for Americans imo, but it does provide an opportunity for much of the world, especially Europe, to reassess a relationship which isn't particularly healthy and is too dependent.
