Donald! Trump!

outofbreath - Member
"So all of the thousands males who are televised and pictured at protests of one kind or another in many different places all over the world over the years, where the object is to simply express opposition to one notion or another, what exactly is the "trait" that is peculiar to them?"

Well yeah, protesting is often a bit vague and pointless IMHO.

It's just especially amusing in this case AFAIC.

I thought your point was that protest is a "peculiar female trait", which (leaving aside your astonishingly patronising attitude to those enraged by such a vile and dangerous attitude as President Nincompoop's) is manifestly ludicrous, as I have evidenced for you.

Then your opinion is profoundly uninformed and unintelligent. Protesting of one sort or another has been the vehicle of immense change from the Suffragettes to the Vietnam War to the Jarrow March, to Kristalnacht. That much is self evident. Denying the facts makes you look like a bit of a fool tbh

SPOT ON!

Democracy is about voting not marching AFTER the event. In many demographic categories more women voted for Trump than Hilary. The only woman who really matters this week is Theresa May who will make a visit to Washington on Friday.

Trump and the 'Sons of Jacob'

Nipper curious as to why you have used that Biblical reference. Could you please explain, have you seen it somewhere and are just repeating it ? I ask as I cannot believe you would deliberately make a derogatory reference to the ethnic and religious makeup of the Trump team.

Democracy is about voting not marching AFTER the event

What if you don't like the result?

How then are you supposed to register ones disapproval?

Just suck it up?

No, the right to peaceful protest is as important as the right to vote.

As has already been said - many important changes in society have been brought about by peaceful protest.

Let them march!

Nipper curious as to why you have used that Biblical reference.

Where as it took me, oh, 30 seconds to find out the answer. It's almost like you're not prepared to find out anything for yourself (whilst failing to respond to similar requests). Isn't it ironic..

Democracy is about voting not marching AFTER the event

So you're saying that people only have democratic rights for two or three minutes once every 4 years while they put a tick in a box and in between times they're to shut up and take what they're given. Theres no consultation, no lobby, no feedback, no assessment of impact, no evaluation. Leaders just lead in a nice cosy silent bubble, knowing they've been mandated by one x in a box

I love your world Jambie - its so easy to live in. Room for any more?

And there was me thinking that Democracy was about the freedom to voice your opinion. The idea that any leadership should be given a free hand without ongoing opposition is a ludicrous suggestion. Quite Fascistic, in fact.

[quote=jambalaya ]Democracy is about voting not marching AFTER the event. In many demographic categories more women voted for Trump than Hilary. The only woman who really matters this week is Theresa May who will make a visit to Washington on Friday.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

Women supported Clinton over Trump by 54% to 42%. This is about the same as the Democratic advantage among women in 2012 (55% Obama vs. 44% Romney) and 2008 (56% Obama vs. 43% McCain).

In many demographic categories more women voted for Trump than Hilary

if you wanna talk numbers there'd be that issue of the popular vote 😉

These marches have been very effective, Trump spent his address to build bridges withe CIA ranting about the media coverage of it all
his first press conference blathered on about noting else

This has obviously got under his orange skin, the more time he spends obsessing over how small his crowds/hands/support is the less he can focus on wrecking the country

It also means that republicans who a year ago wouldnt be seen anywhere near him for fears of toxifying their party are reminded of his record low approval ratings.
When the first impeachment vote comes along maybe theyll slap it down, the second, then the third?

Did anyone see Maybot on Marr? I believe she was questioned on womens issues & trump , as she travels to america she too is aware that many people here are nervous about getting into bed with this man she is desperate to strike a deal with.

Quite Fascistic

Freedom of speech?

Not in Jambas world it seems.

You'll get given a couple of choices every couple of years & that'll be your lot!

Did anyone see Maybot on Marr?

I saw it desperately trying to avoid answering Marr's question about the failed Trident test.

the more time he spends obsessing over how small his crowds/hands/support is the less he can focus on wrecking the country

Very funny

Whats weird is the wy he went to he CIa , who he tweeted and compared to Nazis and then blamed the media for inventing a feud when he loved them and backed them 1000%

His media spokesman then said the numbers were the highest ever PERIOD as if pictures done exist to massively negate that view

It seems we are about to enter a twilight zone where what he says and reality dont much mix

It will be interesting to see how the Republicans deal with him tbh as they cannot ever know where they really stand with him as he flip flops about having only three principles
1.Self aggrandizement whatever the facts say
2. Lie lie and lie some more
3. Picks fights with everyone but never ever criticise Russia or pick a fight with them,

Jam, democracy literally translates as power to the people, mass protests would seem to come under this umbrella.

These marches have been very effective, Trump spent his address to build bridges withe CIA ranting about the media coverage of it all
his first press conference blathered on about noting else

He shouldn't let it get under his skin. Today's news (fake or otherwise) is just tomorrows chip wrappers. Soon we'll all forget about the protests. I mean nobody remembers the protesters dwarfing Obama's inauguration crowds 8 short years ago. I'm sure I've still got my placard somewhere. "Stop being so bloody polite!" I think it said.

His media spokesman then said the numbers were the highest ever PERIOD as if pictures done exist to massively negate that view

The pictures totally support his statement- zoom in on those swathes of white and you'll see its not empty space. Its jam packed with people in white cloaks and hoods.

Its jam packed with people in white cloaks and hoods

Jam, democracy literally translates as power to the people, mass protests would seem to come under this umbrella.

Context however remains relevant

There was an election, he won. Far more people voted [u]for[/u] him than were protesting against him.

Remember how upset all the lefties got when The Donald suggested he might not unquestioningly accept the election results? "Horrified" they were "disrespecting the constitution" he was, as "slap in the face for democracy" they called it.

The political left are once again hoist on their own petard of hypocrisy - it was them who were outraged at the Idea of anyone not accepting the result, and their behaviour in the light of losing is therefore, rightly, measured by their own statements in the run up to the election.

There was an election, he won. Far more people voted for him than were protesting against him.

And far more people voted for Clinton than for Trump.

its jam packed with people in white cloaks and hoods

😆

I hope you don't mind but Ive borrowed that one for Facebook.

Dems da rules.

Didn't like them, should have said so beforehand. No use crying about if afterwards.

Dems da rules.

Didn't like them, should have said so beforehand. No use crying about if afterwards.

I didn't suggest that they weren't the rules. I am suggesting a reason why so many people wish to protest against a president who lost the popular vote.

Yeah like when Nixon was elected, all the protests did no good at all....

Context however remains relevant

There was an election, he won. Far more people voted for him than were protesting against him.

Comparing apples and bananas - how many people voted against him? How many people demonstrated for him?

Remember how upset all the lefties got when The Donald suggested he might not unquestioningly accept the election results? "Horrified" they were "disrespecting the constitution" he was, as "slap in the face for democracy" they called it.

The political left are once again hoist on their own petard of hypocrisy - it was them who were outraged at the Idea of anyone not accepting the result, and their behaviour in the light of losing is therefore, rightly, measured by their own statements in the run up to the election.

Umm - no - again comparing apples and something that is not even a fruit. There is a difference between expessing disgust at something that happened, and pretending that it didn't happen at all.

Of course you knew all this, and you're just trolling as usual, but maybe other readers are as confused as you make out to be.

No, the right to peaceful protest is as important as the right to vote.

Yeah like when Nixon was elected, all the protests did no good at all....

.and in the case of Trump, it's a good idea to start early

Indeed as mentioned before much easier to impeach an unpopular president

And very easy to manipulate a narcissist, just ask Putin 😉

Context however remains relevant

There was an election, he won. Far more people voted for him than were protesting against him.

Remember how upset all the lefties got when The Donald suggested he might not unquestioningly accept the election results? "Horrified" they were "disrespecting the constitution" he was, as "slap in the face for democracy" they called it.

The political left are once again hoist on their own petard of hypocrisy - it was them who were outraged at the Idea of anyone not accepting the result, and their behaviour in the light of losing is therefore, rightly, measured by their own statements in the run up to the election.

FFS what a load of 8ollox!

There's a world of difference between
1. Not accepting the result of a democratic vote.
2. Accepting the result but choosing to register your dislike of said result.

One respects the process, the other sticks 2 fingers up at it!

2. Accepting the result but choosing to register your dislike of said result.

Ah, 'peaceful protest' you mean?

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Ah, 'peaceful protest' you mean?

Anyone who thinks democracy begins and ends in the ballot box is an enemy of democracy. Free speech is as much a right of those on the losing side of a particular vote as those on the winning side. What is valid protest, and what is illegal civil disruption, is always up for debate, but to say people shouldn't protest at all because a vote has been counted… reminds me why dictators have regular public votes to try and delegitimise any opposition voices.

Anyway, we all know that in the USA there is the added complication that the way the president is appointed isn't actually democratic, making it even more important for the people to voice their concerns even after the electoral collage has done its job.

That was an unattended can of trump's hair laquer left in a hot window 😉

Let's face it yesterday's protests were remarkable for their peaceful pissing, I believe the car on fire was from inauguration day?

Day 1 and he's already stirred up this much resentment, hilariously his entirely predictable response has been to keep on ranting and whining as though he still campaigning and had no idea how you actually govern....

Ah, 'peaceful protest' you mean?

Without a link to a verifiable source that's just a picture of a car burning..

As your teacher must have said to you:

"Could do better..."

The car on fire was a set up by trump supporters.

You have to question why anti-Trump protesters are taking the credit for destroying it then 😆

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/protesters-who-destroyed-property-on-inauguration-day-part-of-well-organized-group/2017/01/21/096678c8-dfeb-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?tid=sm_tw_pl&utm_term=.70687869dc2c&wprss=rss_crime

(I hope you appreciate the, famously right wing and pro-Trump, Washington Post as a verifiable source BTW 😉 )

Missing the point. If we're told it was Trump supporters often enough, then that must be the truth right?

A protest march with no direct aim, i.e gaining the vote or suchlike, boils down to loads of people effectively just shouting " I don't like him one little bit ! " with loads of other like minded people. High on the list of reasons to take part in this sort of behaviour would be the opportunity for a bit of class A virtue signalling via a photo on Facebook.

Ninfan, don't like that so it's fake news. I believe that's how this game is played.

or perhaps they just want to make sure that something like this never happens again

Still if you cannot negate their message[ nor apparently understand why they are protesting] use a puerile click bait insult to belittle them....that seems to be the moral of that post.

use a puerile click bait insult to belittle them

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Anyone who thinks democracy begins and ends in the ballot box is an enemy of democracy. Free speech is as much a right of those on the losing side of a particular vote as those on the winning side. What is valid protest, and what is illegal civil disruption, is always up for debate

Well said.
+1.

Oh look - ninfan posting a hilarious picture instead of engaging in meaningful discussion. What a novelty.

Surely it is the democratic responsibility of those in opposition to question those in office and bring to task when they step out of line. That goes for all voters, not just those who are in office.

When the opposition gets into power is the time when protests should start: There's no point in protesting against someone who isn't in office.

I don't recall anyone saying these protests were against the election result. My understanding was that they were all about Trump's behaviour and his sexist, homophobic, and racist rhetoric.

You have to question why anti-Trump protesters are taking the credit for destroying it then

Ah, 'peaceful protest' you mean?

what like brexit "without a shot being fired" ?

You always know when Herr ninfan is trumped when he resorts to putting pictures up

I think all you lefties are the ones who've been Trumped

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instead of engaging in meaningful discussion

Where is the meaningful discussion? you individually, and the left collectively, have thrown every insult and criticism possible at Trump throughout the election campaign, and he still won - yet you've managed to learn so little from that that your only response it's to continue throwing insult and criticism at him in the hope that it will somehow have a different result. No wonder us supporters are all basking in the warmth of his victory, which was made even sweeter by the fact that he was helped on his way by Farage 8)

So, I just read, Rudy Guilliani as cyber security adviser? 😆 Is it april 1st? 😆

I assume he's laughing at some wheel chair user that's had an unfortunate accident.

I wonder who'll be the first foreign dignitary to have a translation brainfade and call him President Fart.

Anyone want to start a sweepstake to when Republicans get tired of him and do a Ceaser on him (figuratively) talking to a friend in Colorado she thinks that it could easily happen.

Oh look - another funny picture from ninfan.

have thrown every insult and criticism possible

Oh the ironing, Dumpkopf

This appeared on Facebook the other day.

This sums up what the majority of 'Mericans I have worked with this year feel. However, they are nearly all from Florida, Louisiana and Texas, so think if you drive a car with less than 8 cylinders you are a communist.

"TRUMP?! HOW DID THIS HAPPEN??"

It happened because you banned super-size sodas. And smoking in parks. And offensive ideas on campus. Because you branded people who oppose gay marriage 'homophobic', and people unsure about immigration 'racist'. Because you treated owning a gun and never having eaten quinoa as signifiers of fascism. Because you thought correcting people's attitudes was more important than finding them jobs. Because you turned 'white man' from a description into an insult. Because you used slurs like 'denier' and 'dangerous' against anyone who doesn't share your eco-pieties. Because you treated dissent as hate speech and criticism of Obama as extremism. Because you talked more about gender-neutral toilets than about home repossessions. Because you beatified Caitlyn Jenner. Because you policed people's language, rubbished their parenting skills, took the piss out of their beliefs. Because you cried when someone mocked the Koran but laughed when they mocked the Bible. Because you said criticising Islam is Islamophobia. Because you kept telling people, "You can't think that, you can't say that, you can't do that". Because you turned politics from something done by and for people to something done to them, for their own good. Because you treated people like shit. And people don't like being treated like shit. Trump happened because of you.

The sentiment behind that isn't actually far off, the left have dissappeared up their own arse, no doubt about that! 😆 Not that I agree with the right either, politics on all sides these days is rotten.

http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/

I don't think anything illustrates that disappearance up the nether regions as much as this loonball! 😆

gobuchul - Member
This appeared on Facebook the other day.
"Trump happened because of you."

That's so funny. 😆

True, true, I agree totally.

No wonder us supporters are all basking in the warmth of his victory, which was made even sweeter by the fact that he was helped on his way by Farage

Nice try, but watching him whine at the CIA yesterday is a gift all us lefties have been waiting for,

He is indeed the President,yet he's still a vulnerable insecure biggot, with the lowest ever approval ratings, teeny hands and no self control, and no idea how to unite the country, he will have plenty more bad days, perhaps none so bitter sweet as making it to president but still not being respected by his intellectual and cultural betters, before the final sad impeachment

Although I agree that Trump is just a petulant narcissistic attention seeking giant baby oompah-lumpah (with a WIG), attacking him personally doesn't seem to stop him.

Fight his actions. They are verifiable, although the chutzpah of the man would have him arguing black is white, and still not get run over on a zebra crossing.

Pigface - Member

Okay some constructive criticisims for him ... I think he could improve on his arguments by arguing for something new rather than those that have been played to death. He needs new materials. If he wants ideas I can give him some but he needs to pay me first.

Who has written all the "angry" lines for him coz that person should be fired for recycling everything out there. This is the sort of so called "media" that is not entertaining trying to entertain. His materials are so repetitive he is not even the first one to do this act. Most comedians have already covered his style of presentation so I think he could do better by changing his style.

Waving around with his hands and doing all his shouty shouty are old hat my son. You need to do better. Fire that bloke who asks you to do that because that person has run out of ideas.

Who is he (youtbue bloke) anyway? Honestly, coz I have never heard of him before. 😆

Is he trying to be political commentator or is he trying to be entertaining? Because he is not here nor there as he is playing safe by adopting the in between style.

Where is the meaningful discussion, you individually, and the left collectively,, have thrown every insult and criticism possible at Trump throughout the election campaign, and he still won

The problem is trump and his supporters thinking that he has 'Won', and hence thinking that they can justify shouting down any discussion before it's even become "meaningful" or otherwise...

He's thrown as much shite as he's taken, nobody came out of the campaigns looking particularly good. And this is only the beginning, certainly not the end...

He has won an election with rhetoric, hyperbole and wild promises pitched primarily at white working and middleclass Americans, befuddled by globalisation and social changes...

His inauguration speech was more of the same, which simply reinforced the doubt many have over there being any real substance behind his bluster...

He's a Republican President with a majority which you might think would give him the power and influence to push through almost anything he wants, but he is far from universally loved by Republican party members.

He's going to need to compromise and do the deals he claims to be an expert at to achieve anything like the things he has promised, while maintaining that right-wing, support founded on a suspicion of establishment Washington power, so every compromise and dirty deal he does will help erode that anti-establishment support, it's a balancing act and I don't believe he really has the skill or guile to carry it off...

A 'Win' would be better approval ratings a year from now, fewer people feeling the need to protest against him, and retaining enough of those voters for a second term...

The problem is trump and his supporters thinking that he has 'Won'

Wake up call, you all, literally, laughed at the suggestion he could ever become president

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XqEddipbpkw [/Video]

That alone is a Huuuge win, bigly!

From some random place on the web

[i]If you are puzzled by the bizarre "press conference" put on by the White House press secretary this evening (angrily claiming that Trump's inauguration had the largest audience in history, accusing them of faking photos and lying about attendance), let me help explain it. This spectacle served three purposes:

1. Establishing a norm with the press: they will be told things that are obviously wrong and they will have no opportunity to ask questions. That way, they will be grateful if they get anything more at any press conference. This is the PR equivalent of "negging," the odious pick-up practice of a particular kind of horrible person (e.g., Donald Trump).

2. Increasing the separation between Trump's base (1/3 of the population) from everybody else (the remaining 2/3). By being told something that is obviously wrong—that there is no evidence for and all evidence against, that anybody with eyes can see is wrong—they are forced to pick whether they are going to believe Trump or their lying eyes. The gamble here—likely to pay off—is that they will believe Trump. This means that they will regard media outlets that report the truth as "fake news" (because otherwise they'd be forced to confront their cognitive dissonance.)

3. Creating a sense of uncertainty about whether facts are knowable, among a certain chunk of the population (which is a taking a page from the Kremlin, for whom this is their preferred disinformation tactic). A third of the population will say "clearly the White House is lying," a third will say "if Trump says it, it must be true," and the remaining third will say "gosh, I guess this is unknowable." The idea isn't to convince these people of untrue things, it's to fatigue them, so that they will stay out of the political process entirely, regarding the truth as just too difficult to determine.

This is laying important groundwork for the months ahead. If Trump's White House is willing to lie about something as obviously, unquestionably fake as this, just imagine what else they'll lie about. In particular, things that the public cannot possibly verify the truth of. It's gonna get real bad.[/i]

Wake up call, you all, literally, laughed at the suggestion he could ever become president

And we're still laughing at him desperately trying to prove he is the legitimate president

Even though we know he is, that sad truth is undeniable... Or is it? I mean if he can imagine up an extra 1 million people at his inauguration, maybe we can all imagine he's not president at all 😉

He had no need to rail against the ' fake news' yesterday, the pictures were numerous enough to convince everyone that less turned out than for Obama, or yesterday's protests, but still he did.

Post-truth, sore winners are the new world order it seems

Not bad for 31 million live TV audience ... not bad.

Told you people cannot afford to travel just for the day because money can be put to good use BBQ-ing to celebrate the inauguration with TV on.

[url= http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-inauguration-ratings-idUSKBN15600S ]News souce here ... whatever.[/url]

Nearly 31 million viewers watched live U.S. television coverage of Donald Trump's presidential inauguration, far fewer than tuned in to Barack Obama's first swearing-in, but otherwise the biggest such audience since Ronald Reagan entered office, ratings firm Nielsen reported on Saturday.

Trump's total was greater than both swearing-ins of Democrat Bill Clinton - 29.7 million and 21.6 million - and the second inauguration of Obama, who drew an average audience of over 20.5 million in 2013, Nielsen said.

Wake up call, you all, literally, laughed at the suggestion he could ever become president

& all you can do is mock....

Do you have anything constructive to say??

In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy.
...
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

So President Nincompoop has started his reign by directly attacking the fourth estate for the crime of printing the facts.

His advisor describes his description of the inauguration crowd size as "alternative facts".

Perhaps what the Orange Buffoon and his pals need is their own newspaper.

They could call it "Volkischer Beobachter" perhaps...

Wake up call, you all, literally, laughed at the suggestion he could ever become president

@ Jambalaya - Sons of Jacob - re Atwood's 'A Handmaid's Tale'.

chewkw - Member
Pigface - Member

He is an angry bloke isn't he
Okay some constructive criticisims for him ... I think he could improve on his arguments by arguing for something new rather than those that have been played to death. He needs new materials. If he wants ideas I can give him some but he needs to pay me first.

Who has written all the "angry" lines for him coz that person should be fired for recycling everything out there. This is the sort of so called "media" that is not entertaining trying to entertain. His materials are so repetitive he is not even the first one to do this act. Most comedians have already covered his style of presentation so I think he could do better by changing his style.

Waving around with his hands and doing all his shouty shouty are old hat my son. You need to do better. Fire that bloke who asks you to do that because that person has run out of ideas.

Who is he (youtbue bloke) anyway? Honestly, coz I have never heard of him before.

Is he trying to be political commentator or is he trying to be entertaining? Because he is not here nor there as he is playing safe by adopting the in between style.

If only you could apply that same critical thinking to Trump

😆 😆 😆

see you in court Mr Pie 🙂

sorry Pigface I didn't see you had already posted it 🙂 must keep up !

😆 no worries

They are now calling the lies about the numbers at the inauguration "alternative facts" 😯

Sounds like a Jambafact 😆

alternative facts

like the nbc chaps response

Alternative facts are not facts they are falsehoods

🙂

Waving around with his hands and doing all his shouty shouty are old hat my son. You need to do better. Fire that bloke who asks you to do that because that person has run out of ideas.

Could just as easily be Trump

Alternative facts are not facts they are falsehoods

or just lies, call it what it is!

GrahamS - Member
In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy.
...
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

-1984

Criticisms that can be levvied at all sides(orwells intention imo). Trump ain't doing anything new here, expanding on things perhaps(I'm in the wait and see camp), but bullshit is nothing unique, to him, the repulican party nor the right.

It's half the problem with the left, an inability to be self critical and see in themselves what they see in others.

An example of that is the glee at which the antifa mob seem to be sharing around that vid of the alt right guy getting sucker punched. My thoughts there are aye nice, but really are fascist tactics acceptable as long as you do them?

[url= https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/22/business/president-donald-trump-health-insurance-high-risk-pool.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news ]nice article on us health care and the probems it poses[/url]

The Affordable Care Act addresses that question by requiring everyone to get coverage or face a tax penalty. That mandate is meant to increase the number of healthy people who have insurance, distributing the costs of caring for those who are sick across a wider population. The thinking is that if enough healthy people sign up, the costs of sick people will be offset for insurers.

The trouble for septics is this will never wash with them, in the US healthy wealthy people hate paying for poor ill people.

Criticisms that can be levvied at most political parties tbh

Agreed seosamh77.

But what's happening now is a much more literal interpretation than that. Trump and his spokesperson are literally telling us not to believe our eyes and that 2 plus 2 is actually a record breaking crowd.

If only you could apply that same critical thinking to Trump

Perfect.

Klunk - Member

The trouble for septics is this will never wash with them, in the US healthy wealthy people hate paying for poor ill people.

Interesting fact- when polled, 46% of Americans were opposed to Obamacare. Only 37% were opposed to the same thing if you call it the Affordable Care Act...

seosamh77 - Member

Criticisms that can be levvied at all sides(orwells intention imo). Trump ain't doing anything new here, expanding on things perhaps(I'm in the wait and see camp), but bullshit is nothing unique, to him, the repulican party nor the right.

Bullshit isn't unique of course but

Media reports facts
White House lambasts them for reporting facts
White House tells them to report "alternative facts".
Media protests, White House responds ""If we're going to keep referring to the press secretary in those types of terms I think we're going to have to rethink our relationship here".

There's a difference between bullshit, and threatening the press for not reporting your bullshit.