This is hilarious.
'Not fair, they manipulated and edited footage'...
now listen to our 20 minutes of manipulated and edited footage.
Trump refused to call off the Capitol Hill rioters
He’s either convicted or he now owns the Republican Party.
Trump can only be pardoned for Federal crimes. There are plenty of state attorneys preparing indictments including South District New York for tax offences to do with Trump Corp. He’s probably going to be too busy fighting those to be a 2024 candidates, but might not stop toxic Barbie, Ivanka.
Trump can only be pardoned for Federal crimes. There are plenty of state attorneys preparing indictments including South District New York for tax offences to do with Trump Corp.
The U.S. President can only pardon him for federal crimes. I think it will depend on the individual state constitutions for the specific details, but the state governor will be able to pardon him for state crimes. Unfortunately for him, he lived in New York, where pretty much everyone is a Democrat.
Trump refused to call off the Capitol Hill rioters
He’s either convicted or he now owns the Republican Party.
So these Republican house members waited until after the impeachment evidence was presented and then go on the record confirming Trump's behaviour while the riot was going on?
They reckon final statements and vote from 10 am their time.
Bernie causing trouble...
https://twitter.com/ReporterCioffi/status/1360349886688989189?s=20
Things are about to get interesting
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1360614699612659720?s=20
https://twitter.com/HerreraBeutler/status/1360419828721401856?s=20
https://twitter.com/SenWhitehouse/status/1360440149163843586?s=20
https://twitter.com/SenWhitehouse/status/1360440160186478594?s=20
Yup. Makes sense. Take time with this, subpoena witnesses, get on with Biden's stuff in the meantime.
Trump must be fuming. I think the nonsense yesterday where Trump's lawyer refused to answer the question about what Trump was up to after his speech plus suggesting Tuberville was lying about the phone call made this inevitable.
I REALLY hope this haunts the GOP for many, many years to come and destroys them in elections.
They might end up wishing to hell they had reigned him in politically when they had the chance.
As for Trump directly, let's hope the many law suits to come hit him hard for years.
My take on this is that the Dems bottled it - chose pushing on with Biden's agenda over using witnesses to highlight Trumps actions and attitude.
Be interesting to see if that damages the Republicans or the Democrats more
🤭😁😄
“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters,” Trump said.
Nah, he could direct a mob to do his killing whilst smirking in the whitehouse as the Republican Party turns the other way.
Bottled it or done a deal, given they knew what the result would be anyway?
McConnell confused me, thought he'd picked up somebody else's notes by mistake. Says Trump was 100% guilty but voted on the constitutional element. Cake and eat it?
While we debate whether enough republican might support an impeachment the bigger question is why they aren’t leading the effort to impeach.
If they do that they can kiss their political career goodbye.
If they do that they can kiss their political career goodbye.
If they allow the rule of law and democracy to be overturned by Trumps mob, they won't have a political career either.
The impeachment was stolen, we need a recount. Just find me those 11 votes
If they allow the rule of law and democracy to be overturned by Trumps mob, they won’t have a political career either.
That is a matter of interpretation. Most politicians (regardless) will rather not be the fall guy to stick their neck out against their own and leave it for another day to savour their existence. i.e. then collect their pension etc ...
The impeachment was stolen, we need a recount. Just find me those 11 votes
Nothing is stolen etc ... they just don't feel like voting with the Demoncrats.
Nothing is stolen etc … they just don’t feel like voting with the Demoncrats.
Der. Course it wasn’t. Just entertaining to use the language of the Orange Shitgibbon to illustrate how ridiculous it was. Div.
Der. Course it wasn’t. Just entertaining to use the language of the Orange Shitgibbon to illustrate how ridiculous it was. Div.
Was it a sure thing before the verdict? If not then how can it be stolen?
Was it a sure thing before the verdict? If not then how can it be stolen?
You genuinely are irony blind. How do you get through life?
It was always going to be hard to get enough people to vote against their party to get it through so not surprised but that doesn't stop me feeling sad about it.
Wonder what the fallout from it will be though. It does set a dangerous president that encouraging a mob to overthrow an election result is okay, even if the mob themselves get prosecuted.
Presumably this shuts the door on legal options to stop him running for office again in 2024?
You genuinely are irony blind. How do you get through life?
Please don't feed the troll.
Well, the Republicans have made their choice… it’s now Trump, or a Trump backed candidate in 2024. Not a politically astute move, in my opinion. His stock could fall a lot in the next 4 years, and they’ve tied themselves to his mast.
Please don’t feed the troll.
He's not really a troll. More our little gimp. An anti-echo chamber insight into a fuddled mind.
Keep in mind that about 70 million people voted for Trump,
I think you'll find those people voted Republican, probably because they always vote Republican.
Few vote conservative one term, then labour the next, then back to conservative, then maybe a couple of terms voting green etc etc. Trump just happened to be the one running.
Not guilty, who’d have guessed🙄
Me... I ****ing guessed it.
Politics is broken. Let's start an insurrection.
Most politicians (regardless) will rather not be the fall guy to stick their neck out against their own and leave it for another day to savour their existence. i.e. then collect their pension etc …
Oh the Republicans have shown exactly what they are and what their priorities are. Democracy and decency not being very high on the list.
Fantastic outcome for the world this. Trump or his brand standing next time would split the Republican vote. Had he been banned Republicans could have gathered themselves.
Fantastic outcome for the world this. Trump or his brand standing next time would split the Republican vote.
Exactly. Reports are that he's now planning revenge on anyone who didn't support him (i.e. Republicans, not Democrats). Three Republican senators have said they will not run for reelection in 2020. One is from Pennsylvania and one is from North Carolina, both of which are potential Democrat gains, plus Ron Johnson is running for re-election in Wisconsin, which is also a potential Democrat gain. Very good chance that Trump will lose those senate seats for them. Democrats have to defend seats in Nevada, Arizona, and Georgia, where Trump is attacking Republicans for not supporting him.
The Republican have created quite a weird hurdle for themselves - they're not claiming he's innocent they're claiming not to have provided t the sufficient votes to convict because 'technicalities'.
Where things get interesting now is - having established the guilt - from the BBC "Senator Mitch McConnell said Mr Trump had been "responsible" for the assault on the Capitol and called it a "disgraceful, disgraceful dereliction of duty" - but non the less voted against conviction because they can claim unconstitutional now that he was no longer in office.
However - Trump didn't act alone - no small number of senators and representatives were complicit - more so because of more than just words there's the actions they took, within the Capitol, during the invasion - like tweeting the whereabouts of senior democrats. There are similar mechanisms to impeachment for expelling senators. For those senators there's a greater weight of evidence - the president that it has been agreed that the invasion of the capitol was the result of deliberate intent and no technicality to quibble over about longer being in office.
It looks like the Demoncrats are very disappointed at the verdict. They must have thought that the world was on their side with their stance on "moral" high ground. They are not very cleaver people are they. 😆 I bet there will be a war with other country(s) in the next 3 years because they will need to boost their rating before the next election. If you wish to live in America this is your chance coz Demoncrat will be opening up all their boarders soon to allow new people to settle there. I might give it a go to collect a new passport if I am qualify, then vote Republican 😁
The Republican have created quite a weird hurdle for themselves – they’re not claiming he’s innocent they’re claiming not to have provided t the sufficient votes to convict because ‘technicalities’.
Do the opposite and kiss their career goodbye if they wish to gamble. Those few that voted against the party line, if they have one, will be gone soon not because the people who voted for them may not want them again.
Very simple. People are fed up with all the blood sucking politicians (on all sides and all over the world,regardless) and the politicians know that so need to play up to the people. They cannot be seen to be doing the opposite if they don't wish to risk their "career" and have a good fat pension at your expense.
Do the opposite and kiss their career goodbye if they wish to gamble.
Republican senators take two gambles if they vote, act or speak against trump - one is at the ballot box, the other is with their ability to live a safe, secure life. In the eyes of Trump supporters the only thing worse than a democrat is someone who doesn't support Trump enough.
They are not very cleaver people are they
Well, they have the Presidency and majorities in the House and Senate, plus the leader of the Republican party is disgraced in the eyes of the majority of voters and is now sulking and declaring war on his own party. Trump staying in politics and keeping on with his tantrums is the best thing that Democrats can hope for. You don't have to be clever when your opponents are that stupid.
They are not very cleaver people are they
They can probably spell.
Well, they have the Presidency and majorities in the House and Senate, plus the leader of the Republican party is disgraced in the eyes of the majority of voters and is now sulking and declaring war on his own party. Trump staying in politics and keeping on with his tantrums is the best thing that Democrats can hope for.
Normal behaviour for political parties all over to start the blame on themselves. They are in fantasy world but they just don't know it.
It's not up to the party if they do well or not, it is the people who will vote for them. Remember President Trump was an outsider when he won the previous election. Which means people voted for him because they are fed up with the entrenched politicians on both sides. People rather gamble than to continue voting for the predictable bad candidates.
You don’t have to be clever when your opponents are that stupid.
That I agree. Again, that's the norm.
They can probably spell.
Oopps ... clever not cleaver. Yes, I do have several cleavers for food preparation in the kitchen😅
I actually can't believe this bloke got away with it. Well... I sorta can hes white and privileged. How people who have been given power to do the right thing can just refuse to do it is really depressing.
Which means people voted for him because they are fed up with the entrenched politicians on both sides.
Nope. The Tea Party/Trumpist/QAnon voters are disenchanted with the Republican establishment. The mainstream Democrats are generally ok with Obama/Clinton/Biden type centrists, especially in contrast to a guy who set a lynch mob on congress because he wasn't willing to admit that he got beaten fair and square. The centrist Republicans thought Trump was a successful businessman back in 2016, not realizing that's just a character he plays on TV. Now that they've seen how utterly incompetent and dishonest he is, they are happier voting for Biden than Trump. Which means that it's pretty much impossible for a Republican to win the presidency unless they can get Trump out of the way and convince his supporters to vote for an establishment Republican who can split some centrist voters away from the Democrats. Trump's trick only worked once, now it's a huge liability.
... Obama/Clinton/Biden type ...
That's the problem. People are so fed up with this sort of mainstream politicians that do very little to improve the ordinary people life they even prepared to vote for an outsider like President Trump. Had it not for President Trump the rot would set in further.
Now I have feeling that Sleepy Joe will actually try to continue or to hang on to some of President Trump's ideas/policies as Demoncrats know 78 million voted for President Trump (they want some of that sweet juicy pie). An exception will be to try to increase their voter base by relaxing the boarder while at the same time continue with the so called "trade war" etc. Basically, Demoncrats and Republicans (prior to President Trump) ran out of ideas ... they were just cruising alone with empty tank and blinded by the decimation of their economy and industry. They were all afraid to do something drastic because they did not want to gamble with their good life and pension.
Trump’s trick only worked once, now it’s a huge liability.
Liability for who? Sounds like President Trump is more of a liability to Demoncrats than Republicans as in the way Demoncrats went all out to get President Trump. Perhaps also tried to end his political career in fear of a come back.
As for the centralist in the Republicans these are just opportunists trying to make sure they can retire with a fat pension. They are trying to play safe for themselves rather than do what the people actually voted them for.
People are so fed up with
this sort of mainstream politiciansincompetent crooks like Trump that do very little to improve the ordinary people life they even prepared to vote for anoutsider like President Trumpa moderate like Biden.
FTFY.
You'll notice that Biden is President now, after beating Trump by winning the largest number of presidential votes in history. Utterly thorough repudiation of Trumpism.
And he and the democrats can go into the mid terms with we beat covid vs we backed insurrection....
given the ingrained partisanship of US politics what do we think the normalized range is for presidential approval ?
You’ll notice that Biden is President now,...
Nope, what president? He is Sleepy Joe, China Biden or perhaps creepy Joe.
Remember the last few years the demoncrats and their supporters labelled former President Trump Mr so and so, "not my President" etc? It's only fair for this new bloke to get some nicknames from day one as well. Part of the political life really.
Biden lives in the White House. Trump will be bankrupt before the next election and will die before all the lawsuits are resolved.
Now things are about to get interesting.....
The result of the impeachment was a foregone conclusion. It wasn't about censuring Trump, it was about making him a ball and chain for the Republican party going forward, sticking a wedge into the fissure developing in the party.
The Senate was never the place where justice would be done. The courts however......
