The only slightly slivery lining to all the penis measuring in Alaska is even Trump knows that he'll look like a total **** to everyone if he just allows Putin to take what he wants.
The only slightly slivery lining to all the penis measuring in Alaska is even Trump knows that he'll look like a total **** to everyone if he just allows Putin to take what he wants.
But he is so weak in character he will just walk out and pretend it didn't happen/ this is the best plan he's ever had / Zelensky and Biden are the issue, etc etc
Trump knows that he'll look like a total **** to everyone if he just allows Putin to take what he wants
Too late for that, he has always looked like a total ....
I'm sure Vlad will cut him deal.
Is it just me, or does the troll's pretend 'broken english' come across as very inconsistent to anyone else?
I pointed that out years ago, certain posts are written in absolute perfect English grammar but others are utterly meaningless nonsense
Nothing but affected drivel from the forum pet troll,
Top of ChewK's playlist right now...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s7n_x8JOwFc&pp=ygURYmlnIGd1bnMgc2tpZCByb3c%3D
I reckon Trump will give Putin what he wants, pretend he hasn't, announce peace in our time then create his own Nobel peace prize and award it to himself. His followers won't know or care about the truth - they only care about what is in front of their noses for the next 20 seconds anyway.
Noble Piece Prize?
President Trump has finally recognised that this summit is a half-cocked problem that he now needs to go away, which is why he says that it'll be a "listening exercise"
There are a variety of discussion points that could be valuable for Trump personally, apart from Ukraine:
Trump has a liking for nuclear arms reduction amongst the "big three" countries and a consequent reduction in their defence budgets, which seems to be a sensible policy
There are opportunities for US business in Russia, especially with their economic problems that can't simply be ended by stopping the war in Ukraine
The Trump organisation has never succeeded in getting any business in Russia, apart from a Miss Universe (Trump's version of Miss World) competition in 2013
These will be a massive temptation for the world's greatest deal maker (sic) and there is a real danger that President Putin will turn it on in relation to Ukraine
Which is a really long way of saying that Ukraine is ****ed. Sacrificed on the altar of Trump's ego and gnat-like attention span.
Who's going to be inspecting and verifying Trump's crusade for nuclear deescalation, by the way?
Noble Piece Prize?
The Epstein Award for Distraction.
then create his own Nobel peace prize and award it to himself
Miss Universe (Trump's version of Miss World) competition in 2013
This is all coming together... a new peace prize, with Trump as the sponsor... he can give it to Netanyahu next year (once Gaza is emptied and the West Bank further colonised as per Trump's past suggestions).
Interesting take on Putin's motivations for the talks and Russia's underlying vulnerability by Paul Warburg. Maybe a bit rose tinted, but I'll take any bit of optimism atm. Don't watch it Chewkw, you'll hate it 😉
Which is a really long way of saying that Ukraine is ****ed. Sacrificed on the altar of Trump's ego and gnat-like attention span.
Who's going to be inspecting and verifying Trump's crusade for nuclear deescalation, by the way?
Under previous agreements the inspection process has been within the treaty and personal inspection visits as well as satellite obs of the other were made
You're probably familiar with the START talks and treaties between the US and Soviet Union (1982-on) and the imaginatively named new-START, which began in 2011
Trump walked away from the extension talks to new-START in 2017 (bad deal...Obama, etc) and the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in 2019, arguably with good reason, but the treaties had achieved their goals between Russia and the US by 2018.
Trump STARTed talks again in 2020, then COVID stopped personal inspections, then he was voted out.
President Biden resumed talks, got an extension to 2026 and then Russia invaded Ukraine and withdrew from the agreement in 2023
The problem now is that "new" nuclear powers weren't included in START and nuclear weapon numbers (and budgets) have begun to mushroom (sorry), not helped by the US Golden Dome project.
Comparison of the two delegations to Alaska talks. Men and boys.
I have a very dark feeling that the Donbas and Crimea will be lost, Ukraine to get EU and an 'associate' NATO membership - but with the caveat it won't be backed by the US, it will have to be Europe to supply the security guarantees. Might force Germany & Poland to start developing its own nukes.
Hopefully i am very wrong.
There are opportunities for US business in Russia
Huge swathes of land over there for golf courses. Big golf courses, the biggest and beautiful too.
I suspect Alaska was picked by Putin to remind trump of the great deals that previous US presidents have made
My prediction is that Putin will offer mining/oil team up in the arctic & other economic cooperation in exchange for him gifting Putin parts of Ukraine he doesnt yet control. And block Ukraine from joining the EU and NATO
Its amazing how easily Putin seems to play him, and Russia will be laughing, using US money to rebuild their military in preperation for the next invasion of western europe- at which point Chewk will tell us all that its the western leaders fault
Also much oil. Perfect for your 150Hp 6.2l V8 off-roader you use to drive the 400m to the local MaccyDs
there will be no deal because Zelenskyy cannot trade land for peace. Constitutionally forbidden. Trump will offer Putin some of Ukraine but the deal will be rejected by Ukraine. Trump will use that to blame Zelenskyy for not wanting peace and go back to refusing all aid to Ukraine
Huge swathes of land over there for golf courses. Big golf courses, the biggest and beautiful too.
On which note, did anyone see Trump's incoherent rambling about grass? The lawn type, not the herbal type.
All the grass in Washington DC parks is tired and needs replacing, Trump knows a lot about grass, he owns a lot of golf courses, bigly ones with lovely grass. Grass.
The Poke summarised some of the best responses to his unhinged nonsense.
Is it just me, or does the troll's pretend 'broken english' come across as very inconsistent to anyone else?
It's not just you. As Somafunk says, I too noticed years ago that there's a direct correlation between his English and his posts. He can write flawlessly when he's not talking inflammatory nonsense.
The reason I'm grumpy about this is that I am not keen on my kids growing up in an era that is threatened by nuclear war because the world is run by a handful of nuclear armed, dick measuring bastards.
Hi, I grew up in the 1980s.
Hi, I grew up in the 1980s.
Thanks for providing the evidence of how much damage can be done from growing up in such an environment 😉
I don't think the biggest threat is nuclear war, but Trump et al are damaging society in much worse ways, the inequality, the othering and hatred, the environmental damage etc. Non of this ends when Trump leaves office, and the failure to fight back by the UK and Europe will make this direction the foundation of our (not just the US) society for generations.
Some of what Baldwin said over 50 years ago is a bit dated, but most of it is true and relevant as regards everything you're talking about there MSP. Worth listening to it all as regards USA leaders, its people, the interaction between UK&USA, inequality... everything.
I suspect Alaska was picked by Putin to remind trump of the great deals that previous US presidents have made
I'm less sure; I reckon it's mostly simple logistics. Half-way (roughly) between the two capitals, and more importantly, Putin's delegation doesn't have to cross any significant amount of non-domestic airspace where stray missiles might be a problem to the planes. Perhaps there's the convenient fact that it's also ex-Russian territory as others have mentioned, and it plays nicely into his sense of the 'old' country, but the safety aspect is probably the main one at this point. Anyway, speculation about motivations for the venue is subservient to what ends up happening, if anything.
It's not just you. As Somafunk says, I too noticed years ago that there's a direct correlation between his English and his posts. He can write flawlessly when he's not talking inflammatory nonsense.
Who was the mockney that we had here years ago? They'd get banned and come back in a new guise only to get banned again. Always wondered if Chewy was one and the same person.
To be fair they've come a long way - If you recall their first year here was pretty much a relentless looped soundtrack of "zombie maggot" that made even less sense that their current output.
there will be no deal because Zelenskyy cannot trade land for peace. Constitutionally forbidden. Trump will offer Putin some of Ukraine but the deal will be rejected by Ukraine. Trump will use that to blame Zelenskyy for not wanting peace and go back to refusing all aid to Ukraine
I'll be astounded if you are not depressingly proven 100% accurate in about a week's time.
I'm less sure
I was also unsure. But then I remembered Trump's stated aims as regards the extraction of resources in the Artic, and Greenland in particular. A deal could very much be about mutual expansion and exploitation in the region.
Alaska was picked because while its part of the USA it is remote enough that the protests will be smaller. I know America doesn't recognise Putins arrest warrant but if he was in "mainland" US as it were, protests and pressure on Trump to do something was be huge.
Maybe kids of today should practice making fall out shelters
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1500124311
I have one of those, something the Sweden prepares and sends out to all resident annually. There has also been a resurgence in the checking of the skyddsrum that most shared buildings have (think a safe, reinforced room that people can use in the event of an air strike), something that apparently many people forgot needs to be available to their neighbours.
I grew up in the 80s too.
I feel less safe now than I did then, though.
I guess not many people truly understood how close the Able Archer thing in 1983 came at the time. And RN subs hitting Russkie ones in the Barents Sea as well...
Funny how different perceptions of the 70s and 80s and imminent nuclear armageddon are I lived thru it all and despite being politically minded and active I was never in fear in any way. I felt it all posturing.
Thanks for providing the evidence of how much damage can be done from growing up in such an environment
Bastard. 😁
Who was the mockney that we had here years ago? They'd get banned and come back in a new guise only to get banned again.
Fred / elfinsafety / a supporting cast of thousands?
Really nice guy in real life, I'm told. Less so given an Internet connection.
I kind of agree with TJ - my dad came out the RAF in '79, and I lived around operational air bases till '95. My dad trained around Europe for various non-nuclear scenarios, presumably because there was no scenario to train for if armageddon happened, so I tended not to worry about it.
The grinding horror of Ukraine and Gaza worry me far more now than the thought that the idiots with the nuclear codes are insane.
Funny how different perceptions of the 70s and 80s and imminent nuclear armageddon are I lived thru it all and despite being politically minded and active I was never in fear in any way. I felt it all posturing.
You've got a few years on me though. At the time of "if 'When the Wind Blows' doesn't turn out to be a true story then we're all going to die of AIDS anyway" I was in high school, neither politically minded nor active. We laughed it off as kids are wont to do, but we were genuinely scared. With the benefit of slightly more mature minds we might have viewed it differently.
Interesting take on Putin's motivations for the talks and Russia's underlying vulnerability by Paul Warburg. Maybe a bit rose tinted, but I'll take any bit of optimism atm. Don't watch it Chewkw, you'll hate it
Sure there is pressure from sanctions etc for Russia, but his analysis is rather simplistic and lack the understanding of the mindset of people in the far east of Asia. Pipeline (fuel for staging point) to use in invading Taiwan? We know (most people in far east of Asia) this person is clueless when he says "invading" Taiwan. Anyone wishes to bet with me that there will be No war or invasion of Taiwan? When the day comes Taiwan will just reunite with China (people in the far east of Asia know). The west will be disappointed with the lack fireworks. Currently it is 50/50 (for and against) with the reunification with China, but the sentiment to reunite is growing. What really humiliated Taiwanese people is their rollover by giving their tech secrets to US when demand by Trump (who used China as the bogeyman to threaten Taiwan). Same tactics are used against the Philippines, Japan and S.Korea. Do you think the West/NATO will come to the aid of Taiwan in the event of fireworks? Do you think US/NATO/West will arm forces to defend Taiwan? (that's why Trump quickly grabs the tech secrets before they fall into China's hands and that's why Taiwan will not have anything worthwhile to defend in future) That's why US/NATO is using China as bogeyman to encourage, Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan and The Philippines (Marcos Jnr) to agitate China. Back to the secondary sanctions on countries buying energy from Russia. Well, they can either pay high tariffs or find somewhere or something to lower their cost of production. His analysis of China is also rather simplistic since China is a peer competitor with "cards", unlike other nations in the world. Sanction China? How?
there will be no deal because Zelenskyy cannot trade land for peace. Constitutionally forbidden. Trump will offer Putin some of Ukraine but the deal will be rejected by Ukraine. Trump will use that to blame Zelenskyy for not wanting peace and go back to refusing all aid to Ukraine
This is the likely outcome for the first negotiation ^^^
Anyone in any doubt about Russian intentions should check out the attire...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/sergey-lavrov-ussr-jumper-trump-putin-alaska-b2808274.html
I kind of agree with TJ - my dad came out the RAF in '79, and I lived around operational air bases till '95. My dad trained around Europe for various non-nuclear scenarios, presumably because there was no scenario to train for if armageddon happened, so I tended not to worry about it.
The grinding horror of Ukraine and Gaza worry me far more now than the thought that the idiots with the nuclear codes are insane.
I honestly don’t think the people with the nuclear codes in the 80’s were actually that insane compared to the latest who are seriously loony tunes.
When the day comes Taiwan will just reunite with China (people in the far east of Asia know). The west will be disappointed with the lack fireworks. Currently it is 50/50 (for and against) with the reunification with China.
Way, way out! 6.9% and falling. Link.
"Since the 1990s, the share of Taiwanese residents identifying as Chinese has fallen significantly, and the number identifying exclusively as Taiwanese has grown. A majority have identified as Taiwanese-only since 2009. Those identifying exclusively as Chinese fell from 25.5% in 1992 to 4.0% in 2008. Those identifying as both Chinese and Taiwanese fell from 46.4 in 1992 to 31.0% in 2024. Those identifying exclusively as Taiwanese has grown from 17.6% in 1992 to 63.4 in 2024.
Over the same period, the share who support independence has grown slightly from 46.5% to 48.9%, and those who support unification has fallen from 20.0% to 6.9% in 2024".
Do you think the West/NATO will come to the aid of Taiwan in the event of fireworks? Do you think US/NATO/West will arm forces to defend Taiwan?
Yes. Yes I do. I think your grasp of Western geopolitical policy and the USA's especially is on a par with your understanding of Taiwanese support for unification with China. However, this is a bit of a distraction as the topic of the moment is the Ukraine "peace talks" not China, Taiwan and the superior insight of far east asian people compared to us thick/naive westerners.
My dad trained around Europe for various non-nuclear scenarios, presumably because there was no scenario to train for if armageddon happened, so I tended not to worry about it.
My dad finished a bit later, and a middle scenario (still a likely escalation in current times) of a smaller tactical nuclear device or improvised dirty bomb was very much a part of the training he organised. Nuclear doesn’t have to mean worldwide Armageddon, and there are those that think the ultimate escalation will always be avoided if an aggressor decides to go small scale nuclear. If Putin decided to flatten a city in Europe, for example, do you really think he would face a full out total destruction response from the wider world, or something more proportionate?
Slight distraction from Ukraine.
Over the same period, the share who support independence has grown slightly from 46.5% to 48.9%, and those who support unification has fallen from 20.0% to 6.9% in 2024".
They may think that way or may not like it but they will change their mind when the time comes, just like HK.
Yes. Yes I do. I think your grasp of Western geopolitical policy and the USA's especially is on a par with your understanding of Taiwanese support for unification with China. However, this is a bit of a distraction as the topic of the moment is the Ukraine "peace talks" not China, Taiwan and the superior insight of far east asian people compared to us thick/naive westerners.
The US/NATO/West etc may come to their "aid" but probably just for show only. When the fireworks start it will be over pretty quickly.
A pre-emptive nuclear strike is in order, IMO - we have the tools, I say we flatten Moscow and St.Petersburg right now.
A pre-emptive nuclear strike is in order, IMO - we have the tools, I say we flatten Moscow and St.Petersburg right now.
except he’s in Alaska being applauded and getting warm handshake from Trump.
except he’s in Alaska being applauded and getting warm handshake from Trump.
I think it's a shame they didn't square up and yell at each others like boxers.
Anyone in any doubt about Russian intentions should check out the attire
As Putin is about to land in Alaska, his forces are presently bombing the **** out of Ukraine.
I’m sure he’ll put the minimum effort imaginable into fobbing off the huge orange man-baby, having had the red carpet rolled out for him, while intensifying the bombing of Ukraine.
The idea that a peace or ceasefire is going to come out of this is laughable.
Putin will be hugely strengthened by this and Trump will be even further away from his obsessively courted Nobel Peace Prize
It is 5 years since trump signed the deal to "Bring the troops home and to bring peace to Afghanistan"
Yeah that has worked out well, I don't hold out much hope for Ukraine.
Off to a great start I see, laughing in the back of the ‘Beast’.
A pre-emptive nuclear strike is in order, IMO - we have the tools, I say we flatten Moscow and St.Petersburg right now.
Its just a damn shame that Ukraine does not possess trans Atlantic drone technology, two birds…..one stone…
Off to a great start I see, laughing in the back of the ‘Beast’.
Is that a reference to putin hanging out of trumps arse as he pumps him?
You've got a few years on me though. At the time of "if 'When the Wind Blows' doesn't turn out to be a true story then we're all going to die of AIDS anyway" I was in high school, neither politically minded nor active. We laughed it off as kids are wont to do, but we were genuinely scared. With the benefit of slightly more mature minds we might have viewed it differently.
Don’t forget we had the Protect and survive leaflets and Threads.
(as well as Zammo hittting the H).
There was a lot of worry about it and in the end it didn’t happen but I don’t think you can just brush it off as posturing.
It was just another thing stacked on top of AIDS and whether you would actually get a job/career after leaving school. (Gissa a job mate, I can do that)
Still we got the best music and cars and computers and it was an interesting time to live thru even with the chance of nuclear obliteration 🙂
Still we got the best music and cars and computers and it was an interesting time to live thru even with the chance of nuclear obliteration
Also, hair. Man, I miss 80s hair.
Nah the 60s were far better. Great music, Bay of Pigs, Cuban missile crisis.
The Beeb: "Kremlin says Putin and Trump to give joint news conference"
Interesting that it's the Kremlin giving out the itinerary in order to imply that they are in control of the agenda... Which they probably are with Trump at the helm to be honest.
Well, I suspect this is going to be a complete love fest between trump and Putin. That said, it'll be interesting to hear the questions shouted out to Putin from the press. Sadly, he'll have few issues dodging them.
So have they decided to take over the world in a joint enterprise ?
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
Is it just me finding it all a bit odd that - Trump aside - America is swallowing all this?
Russia was the USA's arch-nemesis for decades. The US put a man on the moon purely to give the USSR a bloody nose. The Cold War wasn't that long ago, the "red threat" was a very real concern for your average American, and being accused of being a commie bastard was about the worst thing imaginable.
I'm having dissidence dissonance. Isn't this what the NRA and the preppers have been waiting for all their lives, kicking off World War 3 with Russia? Instead they're inviting good old Uncle Vladdie round for 18 holes and then maybe a game of golf.
Am I missing something obvious here?
The only thing you're missing is an understanding of the modern American Right mindset. They could not give a single shit about what Trump and his cronies do as long as a) they're not personally affected, and b) some group they've been told is at fault for whatever issue they're currently upset about is getting punished.
So they love Trump fawning over Putin, and they'll gleefully vote for anyone with an R beside their name, because they see the American Left getting all upset about it, they see "undesirables" getting rounded up and deported, they see macho shows of force like Trump's birthday parade and the National Guard deployed in DC, and they love it. They just can't join the dots as to how it will eventually affect them personally.
Go read r/LeopardsAteMyFace to see how they think and what happens when a large dose of reality smacks these people across the face.
Transcript of Trump Putin meeting
Trump: Can I have my video back please?
Putin:No
Repeat for 3 hours.
Russia was the USA's arch-nemesis for decades.
The Communists of the the Soviet Union were the USA's arch-nemesis for decades, that nice Mr Putin took over and before you know it... "He's a lot like us, he doesn't like the gays and the Trans, likes 'traditional' family values like us, and is a strong and admirable Christian ruler who takes no shit from those those damn Satanic European Libs. He stands up for what he believes and takes what he wants and we'd like some of that please to show our Libs a thing or two..."
The Evangelical Right are being sold this every Sunday in every Mega Church...
It feels like this is on the wrong thread.
This was totally inevitable and the recriminations will be put at the feet of the Ukrainian's any moment.
Unfortunately Ukraine is paying the price at the moment for Europe's weakness. Russia is big but economically feeble when compared to the EU plus the hangers on like the UK. We 'should' be in the position to ignore Trump and the fetid turds that are the current largest voting block in the US and kick the shit out of Russia between us - both militarily and economically. Not just for the sake of a fellow European nation but to put Russia back in it's box for our collective security. I don't agree with Trump on many things, but Europe's collective inability to commit enough to own our own school yard is more than unfortunate.
Transcript of Trump Putin meeting
Trump: Can I have my video back please?
Putin:NoRepeat for 3 hours.
Pretty accurate. What a load of bluster and bullshit
Transcript of Trump Putin meeting
Trump: Can I have my video back please?
Putin:NoRepeat for 3 hours.
I think that was second on the list.
He probably asked to have the Hunter Biden thing disappeared, the girlfriend that Epstien supplied is unhappy.
kick the shit out of Russia between us - both militarily and economically.
Europe (because America) hasn't got an arms industry capable of making and supplying a Ukrainian army at the rate that it needs. If the EU had made a decision at the start of this war to start to manufacture weapons, it would be only now capable of delivering. Russia's economy is now essentially a war economy, and despite the sanctions, is still growing. (more slowly than before) Any further sanctions will require India and China's agreement. Unlikely.
Russia was the USA's arch-nemesis for decades.
It still is an acute threat according to the 2022 US National Defense Strategy (NDS). China gets first mention followed by
...the NDS also accounts for the acute threat posed by Russia, demonstrated most recently by Russia’s unprovoked further invasion of Ukraine.
The Department will support robust deterrence of Russian aggression against vital U.S. national interests, including our treaty Allies.
The 2025 version is being written, but an early statement only names China,
Consistent with the President's intent, the NDS will prioritize defense of the U.S. homeland, including America's skies and borders, and deterring China in the Indo-Pacific. https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/4172735/statement-on-the-development-of-the-2025-national-defense-strategy/
Europe (because America) hasn't got an arms industry capable of making and supplying a Ukrainian army at the rate that it needs.
That was rather my point. Our weakness and dependence on the US is decades in the making. We have relied on the US too heavily for their oversized contribution to NATO. When in reality the threat was rather closer to home for Europe.
It's not exactly like the US doesn't have form for being reluctant to join in with European conflict.
As predicted the meeting turned out to be a giant nothing burger.
Trump got nothing except nothing except a huge display of weakness, Putin got legitimacy and gave nothing for it. So the usual triumph of negotiation skills by Trump.
The image of Trump clapping Putin and shaking his hand on the red carpet is pretty bad, and will hopefully haunt him and the republicans.
On the Alaska summit.
It remains to be seen, but the messaging is that Ukraine is a side issue. Neither an agreement nor intent to agree to peace have been shown by Russia, which continued to strike Ukraine up to the day of the summit. President Trump gave it a low chance of success, so why meet?
Trump rated the summit, which included Russian Direct Investment Fund head Kirill Dmitriev, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov and presidential aide Yuri Ushakov, a "10" for success.
It's apparent that this summit was more about US-Russia relations than it was about peace in Ukraine, which was clear from earlier statements by both presidents. You can read a bit more about them here https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/58261
The acid test will be the imposition or lack of sanctions on Russia by the US
Is it just me finding it all a bit odd that - Trump aside - America is swallowing all this?
Russia was the USA's arch-nemesis for decades. The US put a man on the moon purely to give the USSR a bloody nose. The Cold War wasn't that long ago, the "red threat" was a very real concern for your average American, and being accused of being a commie bastard was about the worst thing imaginable.
I'm having dissidence dissonance. Isn't this what the NRA and the preppers have been waiting for all their lives, kicking off World War 3 with Russia? Instead they're inviting good old Uncle Vladdie round for 18 holes and then maybe a game of golf.
Am I missing something obvious here?
Yeah, by properly supplying Ukraine, he could have been remembered as the president who finally kicked the shit out of the Russian military and sent them packing with their tails between their legs. I feel like that would have gone down pretty well with the US population and especially the Maga crowd.
If only the right people had whispered in his ears, maybe his vanity would have overcome his need to brown-nose Putin and Ukraine wouldn't still be going through this nightmare.
This applies equally to Biden, imho.
The only thing you're missing is an understanding of the modern American Right mindset. They could not give a single shit about what Trump and his cronies do as long as a) they're not personally affected, and b) some group they've been told is at fault for whatever issue they're currently upset about is getting punished.
Totally this. They're like the second hand car dealer who has done a few deals ripping off pensioners, made a bit of cash and is now running shoulders with some undesirables. Initially they're running around, pretending to be hard, but bunging money at people to pay them off. But they're about to run into someone who can't easily be bought off. And they're going to be shown to be what they are - loudmouthed cowards.
The whole modern republican thing is to throw your economic weight around whilst under no circumstances putting any American in harm's way for any greater good.
Oh, and I should mention - finding some 'lesser others' to punch down on in the meantime - to make themselves feel big and powerful.
The whole modern republican thing is to throw your economic weight around whilst under no circumstances putting any American in harm's way for any greater good.
They're more than happy to put other Americans in harm's way, just as long as they are not personally affected. See "all abortions are immoral except my abortion"
They're more than happy to put other Americans in harm's way, just as long as they are not personally affected.
I meant exclusively in the military sense.
It's apparent that this summit was more about US-Russia relations than it was about peace in Ukraine, which was clear from earlier statements by both presidents. You can read a bit more about them here
Look who was in the room, it was a ****ing business meeting between trump and Putin, Ukraine is merely a distraction for them.
We need a European army.
