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For me the biggest lesson here is how out of touch many political parties are with the mood of the people. This is matched by the press who imo are manipulating polls which once again have been shown to be totally wrong.

Completely agree mate.

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[quote=outofbreath ]@BoardinBob You were 100pc right, I was 100pc wrong.
I also guessed the UK Gen Election wrong and the Brexit Vote.

I wish I wasn't though 🙁

I worked in market research for many years, and I know that it's absolute bullshit. Unreliable to the point of fraud!

jambalaya ...For me the biggest lesson here is how out of touch many political parties are with the mood of the people. This is matched by the press who imo are manipulating polls which once again have been shown to be totally wrong.

Eactly right.

 

Our grandparents had to deal with the war, our parents Cuba, the cold war and MAD. We had it easy for ages, technology changed our lives, things were ok, but now the shit's hit the fan and we have this to deal with.

Having said that... my mother worked at GCHQ and she was sent home to spend her final hours with her family during the Cuban crisis, which was a bit of a concern apparently.

More worryingly what are the odds of JC getting in?

There is a lesson for Labour in these results - don't take your historic base for granted. Wisconsin hasn't voted Republcan since Reagan, Clinton took it for granted and didn't bother visiting it, Trump won in Wisconsin.

"she was sent home to spend her final hours with her family during the Cuban crisis, which was a bit of a concern apparently"

Did she consider coke and hookers?

There is a lesson for Labour in these results - don't take your historic base for granted. Wisconsin hasn't voted Republcan since Reagan, Clinton took it for granted and didn't bother visiting it, Trump won in Wisconsin.

Jeremy Clarkson?

Did she consider coke and hookers?

I think a lepenn victory is a very real danger

It seems that the world is slowly being taken over by the racists, or perhaps we are all being played by a very cunning ex-KGB agent who believes the cold war is still his to be won.

This painting is from a bar near the Kremlin, all its missing is a picture of farage

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"I worked in market research for many years, and I know that it's absolute bullshit. Unreliable to the point of fraud!"

Useful insight, thanks.

I think you underestimate radical Islam, 911, Iraq and Afghanistan. Certainly had more direct impact on my family's current generation(s) than the cold war ever did.

Fair point.

Despite all his non Christian traits, Trump won 85% of the evangelical votes !

Maybe they really did think Hilary was an actual demon !

How long before the White House is renamed to include brand Trump?

..the WhitesOnly House?

However this is probably down to neo-liberalism started by The in the early 80s. The principle that lets rich people walk all over the poor.

Fingers crossed this leads to a socialist revolution in the US and UK. I'll piss my pants if it does

You can see how this has happened and I for one find it very insulting when people use the terms; thick, stupid, racist ... They maybe that in your eyes, but maybe you should stop and reflect as to how you would feel if you stepped into their shoes, before passing judgement.

Just for the record. I personally would not have voted for either of them.

captainsasquatch - Member

People, on the other hand, seem to be gullible idiots that will believe any bullcrap that's fed to them.

Hit the nail on the head

For me the biggest lesson here is how out of touch many political parties are with the mood of the people.

When the mood of the people is driven by racism and looking for others to blame for their problems, governments are supposed to add some sense to that and not go along with it.

Who will the people blame in 5 years time when we are out of the EU and Trump has had a term and they are in a worse position than they are today ?
Their problems are down to bad government policies affecting the poor and not down to immigration or religion.
The better off in society will continue to be better off whoever is in power.

Notter - Member

I didn't hear her ask HOW exactly he was going to make America great again, or what that actually means. Did I miss it?

It means the same as us "taking our country back" from the EU. All clear now?

In fairness to him he does have a plan.

He's going to use a mix of 'trickle down economics' and restrictive trade laws to increase productivity in the US.

The former has been disproven time and time again. Give Billionaires more money and they'll keep it, but the latter is a policy straight out of the Old Labour handbook, jobs over profits, or 'inefficiency' as the centre right usually call it.

The policies aren't usually compatible - Corporations and Shareholders don't care about workers, their dissociation from the core work of their businesses/investments removes any empathy for their workers. So, if they can make a few % more by closing a factory in the West and open one in the East, that's what they'll do. Restricting their ability to do that and even reversing it won't play well with his rich friends. It could all be hot air, but if this more than centre right politician really does do it - then the core beliefs of Right and Left really have switched in a generation or two.

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There are far too many (this forum especially), who are most likely middle class earning a decent wage who are unable to see anything other than their own viewpoint

... and

I for one find it very insulting when people use the terms; thick, stupid

What is the [i]exact [/i]level of household income that means your suddenly blind to the problems of current economics?

Is this only something the low/no wage can see?

Enlighten me.

You can see how this has happened and I for one find it very insulting when people use the terms; thick, stupid, racist .

If you think that Trump (or the Brexiteers) is doing this for the little guy rather than their own huge egos & racists beliefs then, Im sorry but I will say you are being stupid.

If that was the case you'd be much better off voting for socialists like Corbyn or Sanders

"Their problems are down to bad government policies affecting the poor"

Which is EXACTLY what Trump says he can fix and he has said how.

We might not think it's workable but working class yanks of all races clearly think it's worth a punt.

I for one find it very insulting when people use the terms; thick, stupid, racist ... They maybe that in your eyes, but maybe you should stop and reflect as to how you would feel if you stepped into their shoes, before passing judgement.

That's patronising, isn't it?

You're saying that simply being poor and downtrodden means you shouldn't be expected to think about and understand exactly why this might be?

It's also somewhat insulting to assume that simply because some STWers make good money they aren't capable of understanding the plight of the poor. Or in fact that they haven't been poor themselves or from a poor background. Or know anyone poor.

I wonder how much (potential) money the Clintons just waved goodbye to?

We might not think it's workable but working class yanks of all races clearly think it's worth a punt.

I can see if you (think) you got nuthin' you ain't got much to loose.

But...

He said stuff [b]HE'D[/b] do, but it seems (to me and few others) HE has dismissed the fact that others inside and especially outside the US might not "go along" with what he wants to do.

Currently the same here - UK and coming to Europe soon.

Change for the good has, and always be, dull, slow, and sometime uncomfortable.

Change for change sake, seem to pretty much end in a massive conflict.

Think about your grandparents reading the reports of Hitler rising to power; or your parents watching news reports about nuclear missiles on boats, and how they must have felt. Be prepared for some bad shit to go down.

Like many others, they were able to put aside national differences after the war. I learned a lot growing up about what they had been through. Here we are 70 years on destroying bridges which have been built and putting up walls.

I take some comfort in Trump appearing to be isolationist, so maybe not interested in throwing hie weight around internationally. I'm also inclined to think he will be a puppet of congress and senate, so let's see how it pans out. I think there will be a lot of disappointed Trump voters in a year or two when absolutely nothing has changed.

So whats he going to do first?
Relax gun control
Imprison Clinton
Ditch NATO
End trade deals with China, Mexico and Canada.
Deport all 11million illegal Mexicans.
Ban Muslims from entering America
Imprison women who have abortions
Put all mosques under surveillance
Build a **** off wall along the border
Cancel the Paris climate deal ( coz global warming is a hoax, obvs)
End the peace deal with Iran
Bomb the 'shit' out of Islamic state
Dunno the affordable care act
Encourage Japan and Korea to develop nuclear arsenals ?

What did I miss?

Just like Brexit calling your opponents racists and stupid hasn't worked out well has it ?

Good post slowoldman. To us youngsters I suspect that that feels like ancient history. Keep it alive.

I think there will be a lot of disappointed Trump voters in a year or two when absolutely nothing has changed.

That's my hope. Things will get worse under Trump and with Brexit, and eventually we'll realise that the emperor has no clothes, that that kind of bullshit is just that, and we'll build something better.

Just like Brexit calling your opponents racists and stupid hasn't worked out well has it ?

A lot of people are stupid and racist. That's inarguable. Sure, there might be intelligent considered Brumpers but there are also stupid racist ones. If the intelligent ones can come out with good arguments, we'll be all ears. What we're screaming for is proper debate, and that's what we don't get.

"If that was the case you'd be much better off voting for socialists like Corbyn"

Err, A big chunk of Trumps plan is a carbon copy of Corbyns - spend like crazy on infrastructure.

Change for the good has, and always be, dull, slow, and sometime uncomfortable.

Change for change sake, seem to pretty much end in a massive conflict.

Haven't seen too much change for the good over the last 20 years. I voted Brexit not for much other than a vote to protest against and hopefully shake up the system (I really didn't believe we'd [i]win[/i] 😕 )
I can totally understand the same happening in the US, plus the folk who actually believe they'll get a different shot at things.

spend like crazy on infrastructure

That'll never get through either house.

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...we all need to take a step back, chill-out and relax!

@kimbers so ething from the BBC on what now ..

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37918242

I for one hope Trump does insist NATO members meet their 2% spending commitment. Whilst many here rile against US intervention I think the Trump alternative of a greater domestic focus will have many consequencies they have ignored.

I think Trump will start deporting illegal aliens. I think he may very well abolish NAFTA and impose significant trade tariffs on Mexico and China. A tax and/or passport id check could well be introduced on mkney transfers via companies like Western Union. Combined with tariffs this will pay for border control / "building the wall"

Haven't seen too much change for the good over the last 20 years.

He said it was slow.

We're at last [i]beginning[/i] to take the environment seriously. That's a good change.

And living standards are higher than they were 30, 40 years ago.

That's patronising, isn't it?

You're saying that simply being poor and downtrodden means you shouldn't be expected to think about and understand exactly why this might be?

It's also somewhat insulting to assume that simply because some STWers make good money they aren't capable of understanding the plight of the poor. Or in fact that they haven't been poor themselves or from a poor background. Or know anyone poor.

jambalaya - Member
Just like Brexit calling your opponents racists and stupid hasn't worked out well has it ?

Indeed, we should be explaining to them why they are beeing racist and stupid

Well the markets seem to have calmed down a little, word from my end of the system is trading will be all about profit takers yet the Instruments Markets will continue to see through the noise.

Not too bad, yet so it seems.

A lot of people are stupid and racist. That's inarguable. Sure, there might be intelligent considered Remoaners but there are also stupid racist ones. If the intelligent ones can come out with good arguments, we'll be all ears. What we're screaming for is proper debate, and that's what we don't get.

Corrected that for you.

Far from it. I am saying that too many folk sit in their little ivory towers unable to grasp the viewpoint of others.

Does that not cut both ways?

From comments made on this forum it would appear that far too many struggle to grasp an opposing viewpoint to their own without condemning with derogatory regard.

Maybe they condemn it BECAUSE they grasp it? I may respect your right to hold your opinion, but that doesn't mean I have to respect it. Sometimes people are actually wrong, you know.

I admit though that the vitriolic language from some forumites is so divisive as to make things much worse, rather than better. If you disagree with someone you should talk it through and make your points. Ranting just alienates people.

Corrected that for you.

The intelligent ones are coming out with good arguments. Well, most of us. We're not being engaged though. Look at Jam - an intelligent leaver - he gives us a weak line then goes quiet when it gets questioned. I wish he wouldn't.

Just like Brexit calling your opponents racists and stupid hasn't worked out well has it ?

@the-muffin 🙂 didn't work out for JD though did it. Our concern is that Karthik is now President

Indeed, we should be explaining to them why they are racist and stupid

Don't call me racist, you have no idea about me other than the fact I voted pro Brexit. That kind of mindless abuse would not be tolerated on any other thread.

Look at Jam - an intelligent leaver - he gives us a weak line then goes quiet when it gets questioned. I wish he wouldn't.

For another thread 🙂 I have posted (far too) many words on Brexit, as for going quiet that's not something I get accused of very often and not a comment I can let pass.

kebouy - Member
Whilst I sit on the loo absorbing the news, I'm gastflabbered at the result.
It's a very strange world we live in where being a racist, homophobic, narcissistic, bully, misogynistic false tan wearing, grab you by the pussy is now ok and how we should all live.
It democracy has been seen to be done, so almost half of the world thinks that way.
I'm once again forced to look at my friends and colleagues and question whether I like them or not.
Interesting times.

I think a lot of that was spun way way out of proportion by the corrupt msm.. maybe people might wake up and realise now having to admit they were lieing about the polls. Not saying he's perfect however. You get Michelle Obama crying about how he disrespects woman while she has her friends jayz and the like at the white house, rappers who sing about drugs, rapping woman, disrespecting woman.. Come to think of it, didn't jayzee also support Hillary Clinton at one of her rally's 😆

People are seeing through all this shit now, everything being spun for the for the globalists and deluded folk still listen to MSN likes its gospel, most English speaking news outlets being funded by the elites .. So call them names if you feel better, call them racists, homophobic, thick stupid twunts but in the end they've only been given the choice of two too vote for 'that will count'
And yes I wear a tinfoil hat thank you 8)

Indeed, we should be explaining to them why they are racist and stupid

Don't call me racist

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