BoardinBob - Member
I'm predicting Trump wins. The world is just that crazy at the moment
outofbreath - Member
Hillary's got a clear lead in the last polls. 350 seats with 270 required. Trump with an 8pc chance of victory according to CNN
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He has made some massive promises which will be very difficult to deliver. This could see his support evaporate within two years if the white, blue collar workers do not see positive change.
Lets hope he does not blow up the world in the interim!
Well it shows one thing, people like straight talking people who tells it how it is, rather than the politician who says what they think people want to hear!
Is Straight talking:
The economy's f----d.
You jobs are gone and they aint coming back.
We're in so much debt that only by cutting most of our social service budget or armed forces to nothing can we survive.
The grown up scientist are telling us we're killing the planet.
^--- does that sound like straight talking, OR....
"we gonna build us A WALL!"
"Its thur fawlt of them IMM-GRANTS!"
I f----n' despair at the species... Bring on the bl00dy cockroaches.
Teamhurtmore +1
Democracy is great, even if I don't agree with the result.
However, like Brexit campaign, it does seem that unrealistic, unfair or lies have been told to help the campaigns along. Therefore some of our democratic process is less fair than it should be.
Nothing new under the sun however.
atlazOh and make American roads, railways, schools, hospitals and the military second to none, the absolute best on the planet. Don't know about the rest but there's a LOT of road in the US and a lot of it makes UK roads look snooker-table smooth. Mind you he said he's going to get millions of Americans back into work as part of the same section so maybe he's thinking The New Deal or maybe slave labour.
And where exactly will the money to do that come from? Anyone can say these things, but ultimately, if you push one facet, another has to suffer,there are no free lunches. DT himself doesn't pay much Tax, so why should anyone else, and without Tax dollars, no one is building anything......
Be assured that being in or out off the EU has not wrecked your daughters future
That's the worst assurance ever.
Her future is far less likely to involve living abroad, and the economy she will be trapped in is going to be far weaker than before. But whatever, at least we've got meaningless words to give her.
For ****'s sake.
No, not at all. The majority voted for Brexit, the majority voted for Trump based on the information provided. Just because you don't like the results doesn't mean that the system is broken.
Depends what you think the aim of democracy is. Deliver majority rule - sure, it works. Deliver the best option - it's totally broken.
Because the people don't know good rule from bad rule. Democracy (obviously) only works when people make the effort to understand the issues. When they can't be bothered, or are not discriminating when it comes to media, stupid shit can happen. The biggest arsehole with the most money wins. As we've seen.
Just went back to page 1 to see how the thread started.
Reading those comments now, it's amazing that he's now president.
Was I wrong to be a little bit scared when I saw the news first thing?
How long before the White House is renamed to include brand Trump? 😆
Her future is far less likely to involve living abroad, and the economy she will be trapped in is going to be far weaker than before. But whatever, at least we've got meaningless words to give her.
Come on molgrips, the vast majority of people in the world are trapped in economies worse than ours. They're the ones who need freedom of movement more than overprivileged English kids.
On another note, is Trump a warmonger (wondering about the mushroom post from kimbers)- I've always seen Clinton as the owner of the aggressive foreign policies, with Trump being more insular.
Once again Press and polling companies in particular have been proven very very wrong. America has rejected what has gone before and they have rejected a really terrible candidate in Hillary Clinton. What they have chosen we all fear is worse. We might not like it but democracy has overturned the political elite.
The rest of the world will have to work out how we are going to interact with the US going forward and what the impact will be on them.
Part of the reason that Trump has succeeded is that he can afford it. Many more worthy and outstanding candidates are out there, but they do not have the money, or can garner enough support.
@manton Clinton Campaign spent $1bn and Trump $500m. She had far more money and people on her term and she has lost conclusively.
@BoardinBob You were 100pc right, I was 100pc wrong.
I also guessed the UK Gen Election wrong and the Brexit Vote.
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Come on molgrips, the vast majority of people in the world are trapped in economies worse than ours.
And that sucks, but we weren't, and now we are. For no good reason.
That'd be like me coming to your house and smashing your windows and justifying it by saying that some people don't even have glass. And 500m people shared that right so it was hardly a niche thing.
On another note, is Trump a warmonger (wondering about the mushroom post from kimbers)- I've always seen Clinton as the owner of the aggressive foreign policies, with Trump being more insular.
Possible. If he's pro-Putin, he is probably less likely to start WWII. But the people of the Baltics should probably be more worried. I might have to (sadly) cross Finland off my list of places to move in 2 years' time.
Democracy (obviously) only works when people make the effort to understand the issues
... and then they go and vote.
It's the voting bit.
If your a bit thick and/or got so much going on you can't or won't find the time to understand what you're actually voting for, then that's when thing go bad.
Voting, when you're largely ignorant of the facts, and don't have much clue about the consequences of outcome, is the action of a moron.
Not knowing, is not a crime, but not caring is.
teamhurtmore - Member
can we finally admit democracy is broken?
On the contrary, it confirms that it is still working. An outsider has beaten the US establishment through the will of the people and despite the best efforts of "the machine" to prevent it.Democracy is very much alive and kicking even if it throws up bad results. Not that there was a good result possible here.
nup, you're convincing no-one! 😆 donald trumps an outsider, good yin! 😆
a really terrible candidate in Hillary Clinton
Her worst failing was not taking him to pieces in the debates and campaign. The email shite pales to insignificance against the tremendous character flaws and utter lack of content of her rival.
I didn't hear her ask HOW exactly he was going to make America great again, or what that actually means. Did I miss it?
Voting, when you're largely ignorant of the facts, and don't have much clue about the consequences of outcome, is the action of a moron.
Yes, but then they say 'get out and vote, whatever, people died for this' etc etc. Perhaps they should rethink that.
Breaking news: oval office to be redecorated by being plated in gold leaf
The biggest arsehole with the most money wins.
Clinton outspent Trump by 2:1.
Funny thing is the way it's portrayed as the outsiders winning with this and brexit. In what alternate reality are donald trump, nigel farage and boris johnson radical outsiders? Ahh the biff tanner reality, someone has been defo pissing about with time machines! 😆
When you look at actual votes cast...that was really close. Shame it doesn't matter.
Whilst I sit on the loo absorbing the news, I'm gastflabbered at the result.
It's a very strange world we live in where being a racist, homophobic, narcissistic, bully, misogynistic false tan wearing, grab you by the pussy is now ok and how we should all live.
It democracy has been seen to be done, so almost half of the world thinks that way.
I'm once again forced to look at my friends and colleagues and question whether I like them or not.
Interesting times.
Listen to moley, it's all me, me, me!
Trump may well be an odious character, but let's see what happens next. No point in throwing your toys out of the pram!
Now, what odds on Marine LePen getting elected in France?
Impact already being discussed on French TV I am told, with Brexit and now Trump the anti-establishment movement is very strong, countries are saying "our interests first". French where saying only Clinton could win and the US Ambassador had tweeted disrespectfully at Trump only a few hours ago (now deleted). I think the next test is the re-run of the Austrian Presidential Election in December.
Molgrips as you well know I think your kids future is much brighter with the UK out of the EU.
Wow - great nugget of information there from the BBC market analyst - while the president needs congressional approval to enter into trade deals, he doesnt need it to withdraw from them.
No wonder the markets are worried
DezB - MemberJust went back to page 1 to see how the thread started.
Reading those comments now, it's amazing that he's now president.
Was I wrong to be a little bit scared when I saw the news first thing?Posted 14 minutes ago # Report-Post
No;as having a cyclist's stamina you will have a slight edge in your districts hunger games.
When do we get to see his tax returns?
Molgrips as you well know I think your kids future is much brighter with the UK out of the EU.
It's for another thread, but I've already explained why I think that's vapid nonsense.
So the next four years are gonna be entertaining, [url= https://www.reddit.com/ ]Reddit[/url] is gonna be awesome.
Footage coming through from the Trump victory speech.
Interesting times ahead. . . .
They say with Democracy the people get what the majority of people want.
The people who didn't want Trump are stuck with him but the people who didn't want Clinton would have been stuck with her too. That's how it works 🙂
Now, what odds on Marine LePen getting elected in France?
More worryingly what are the odds of JC getting in? 😯
For me the biggest lesson here is how out of touch many political parties are with the mood of the people. This is matched by the press who imo are manipulating polls which once again have been shown to be totally wrong.
The press are manipulating the politics not the polls.
How long before the White House is renamed to include brand Trump?
My khasi has had a name change...
how much the markets are going to loose today or are they happy with a Trump win ?
More worryingly what are the odds of JC getting in?
Anti-establishment maverick with a radical economic plan to grow the economy by building infrastructure. Seems to be a winner.
For me the biggest lesson here is how out of touch many political parties are with the mood of the people.
I will agree with you on that.
However this is probably down to neo-liberalism started [s]by Th[/s] in the early 80s. The principle that lets rich people walk all over the poor.
Fingers crossed this leads to a socialist revolution in the US and UK. I'll piss my pants if it does 🙂
I didn't hear her ask HOW exactly he was going to make America great again, or what that actually means. Did I miss it?
It means the same as us "taking our country back" from the EU. All clear now? 😉
I feel sick.
[i]Fingers crossed this leads to a socialist revolution in the US and UK[/i]
Unfortunately I think it will be more likely to lead to fascism. 🙁
I'd like to be the first on STW to congratulate Trump - with a musical tribute. Half the budget and he turned every media attack into a victory. What media portrayed as failings are sound qualities to middle America. It's a victory for idiot America:
Our grandparents had to deal with the war, our parents Cuba, the cold war and MAD. We had it easy for ages, technology changed our lives, things were ok, but now the shit's hit the fan and we have this to deal with.
Think about your grandparents reading the reports of Hitler rising to power; or your parents watching news reports about nuclear missiles on boats, and how they must have felt. Be prepared for some bad shit to go down.
Most likely it won't, and hopefully we'll learn from all this before it goes too badly wrong... But remember that most of us have lived in cushy stable times for a long time, and don't take that for granted.
More worryingly what are the odds of JC getting in?
Jeremy Clarkson? 😆
has anyone watched the movie 'Idiocracy'?
captainsasquatch - MemberPeople, on the other hand, seem to be gullible idiots that will believe any bullcrap that's fed to them.
Hit the nail on the head
