I will wager for pies!
But I don't feel sure enough to bet on this one.
Edit : predicting what Trump will do is not easy 🙂
tj - you've lost the first part already as trump has arrived at court as has eric; no sign of donald jnr yet - probably snorting a line before making his entrance.
But will Trump take the stand or will he just sit their attempting to look menacing but actually looking constipated?
Any minimally competent lawyer will tell him to not take the stand. But then, they have probably been telling him to STFU on social media too. Every time he opens his mouth, he confesses to something illegal. I don't think he will take the stand, but I think he'll be so enraged by the trial that he'll just keep posting incriminating stuff on social media and the prosecution will present that as evidence.
So just watching the BBC News stuff - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-66978988 - the post at 15:15 with the video clip. I'm clearly not paying as much attention as I should be but his remarks tell us he thinks this is the single greatest witch hunt ever but also that there is a racist attorney general...is that actually evenly remotely correct?
I have no doubt he will take the stand.
The complete trump story is, in his mind, about his wealth; it's how he defines himself.
He will not sit there meekly, invoking the 5th, knowing the judge is allowed to assume an adverse inference from a refusal to answer questions.
His very being is under threat.
I don't think Trump has a clue as to why he can't just make up numbers that suit at the time, and "do a deal" based on that. The idea that the numbers or valuations might have to based in some sort of shared reality is anathema to him. He 'knows' that person A might pay more, or be attracted if the value is less, than person B. To him that's just business, and he's always operated like that. He'll never accept any other worldview, regardless of what a judge tells him.
AIUI, he just confessed to undervaluing assets to cheat on his taxes.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1708846308058960274
"also that there is a racist attorney general…is that actually evenly remotely correct?"
No. Nothing at all behind that. He claims she is racist because he is white and she is black and she is prosecuting him.
Projection much?
Trump has also claimed the inflated valuations are correct because the Saudis would pay that much - ie admitting they will overpay for political favours.
dick - it's an open and shut fraud case where the judge has said it will be a bench trial so...you're guilty and we're here to assess damages (or disgorgement) and any other penalties the judge sees fit.
As for Fani Wilis being a racist - it's deeply insulting and designed to incite his supporters; trump dishes out insults as a matter of routine - he really cannot accept black women in positions of power so he resorts to behaving like a schoolchild in the playground.
Rick Rubin wrote a very interesting book about Trump and golf, and recounts the tale that when he interviewed Trump he (Rick) slowly went from the Chief Editor of the magazine (he's a columnist) all the way through boss of the magazine, to CEO of the organisation that owned of the magazine, and when Rick asked why, Trump just said, "It sounds better"
The bench judge has already found him guilty of fraud ( pretty much) this trial needs only to establish 2 things by my understanding - that the fraud was deliberate and how much the damages are going to be. That he overstated and understated his properties value depending on what he needed the valuation for is not a point of contention. its settled. It happened
The bench judge has already found him guilty of fraud ( pretty much) this trial needs only to establish 2 things by my understanding – that the fraud was deliberate and how much the damages are going to be.
https://twitter.com/Delavegalaw/status/1708816832356811218
How do you define pedantry? 🙂
He might not even care about how much he loses in damages. If it's 100s of millions that's much less than he or his family could pull in if he makes president again. This is cheap advertising probably
I think he will for two reasons - this attacks his own self identity and also there is not much liquidity in his empire so he will have to sell assets to pay the disgorgement ( not damages 🙂 )
He might not even care about how much he loses in damages.
Oh, he cares. He nickels and dimes everything he can. His charity got shut down because of that. He has a long track record of not paying creditors, including contractors. He cares very much about having to pay money to other people.
so he will have to sell assets to pay the disgorgement
If I understand it correctly (and there's every chance I don't) I think Trump has to appoint a board of people to make those decisions*. He still owns the properties, but can't make any business decisions about them.
* I think the judge wanted this to happen with ten days of the last trial (where they decided on his guilt) but has recently allowed that it can take 30 days.
nickc - a receiver was appointed but, this being trumpworld, there was an attempt to ignore her.
The 30 days refers, I think, to compiling a comprehensive list of the assets covered by the judge's order.
By way of a backstory Trump was originally a Democrat as are most NY business folks and he made political donations to the Democrats. The issue he's in court for today came up a few years ago when Cyrus Vance Jr was the NY DA and was poking around Trump's business dealings. Trump sent his attorney to meet with the DA and made a contribution to his political campaign and the investigation suddenly stopped.
Towards the end of his little pre trial speech he addressed his followers that they should go after the attorney general.
Sounded like a threat, or possibly instruction which it may be taken as as many of his followers have the IQ of a cabbage.
Man is an idiot, just cannot keep his mouth shut.
They say you can give someone enough rope to hang themselves, with but with Trump you only need hand him a microphone.
I am certain that calling the judge who is going to decide the case names is a really really smart tactic. It will surely make the judge think favourably of him
I think there will be much slapping down of defence lawyers before this case concludes.
trump is helping Jack Smith and other prosecutors by continuing to shout 'witch hunt' and saying there is a DoJ conspiracy to bring him down because he is the president in waiting.
A delusional, lying fraudster; a fetid sack of cells in an expensive suit.
Oops. Trump’s lawyers forgot to ask for a jury trial so the judge will decide the verdict. Jury could have been influenced by the ‘no victim’ argument but not the judge.
Oops. Trump’s lawyers forgot to ask for a jury trial so the judge will decide the verdict.
Must be some mistake. After all he said he only hires the best people.
I also read that it was less likely the judge would apply a hugely crazy high settlement whereas a jury might. Who knows :(.
I wonder if he knows hes screwed and that his best chance is winning the election and pardoning himself. If thats the case, getting convicted by a judge is a better fit for his establishment witchhunt narrative.
Oops. Trump’s lawyers forgot to ask for a jury trial so the judge will decide the verdict. Jury could have been influenced by the ‘no victim’ argument but not the judge.
Would be funny if true but it isn't.
Earlier this year his lawyers waived his right to a jury trial as confirmed in online court filings; this is why it's just the judge.
Any bets on how long it will take him to violate his new gag order?
He’s vilolated his bail conditions many times, but the authorities have done bugger all so far 🤷♂️
I wonder if he knows hes screwed
I think he's known he's screwed since the moment he first won the nomination to run for president and..... just like everyone else that does - was asked to publish his tax returns. That lead to this. In private enterprise he's been able to cheat, cut corners and pay for silence. Running for public office comes with it a demand for transparency - finances have to be declared, phone calls are recorded, conversations are all minuted and documented all that stuff - he'll have been told that.
The very first time he was asked to publish his returns and he said 'shan't' the game was up, all he's been doing since is delaying the inevitable.
It's so pathetic, he looks and sounds like a child who's been pulled in front of the headmaster for throwing eggs at the art teachers car.
It's all super interesting.
At the point he won the presidency, I predicted (wrongly) that all the shady dealings from his past would be dragged into the light, and he'd spend his entire time in office trying to manage the fallout from that.
What actually happened is that he was so batshit crazy in office that everyone had their work cut-out trying to deal with whatever table he'd flipped that day. The irony is that it's him leaving office that's triggered all of these court cases - both through all of the Jan 6th/Georgia/stealing documents nonsense, and in positioning himself as a candidate for a second term.
Had he just admitted defeat graciously, and slipped into the background - probably none of this would be happening. I don't think there would be any political appetite for dragging an elderly former president through the courts, if they weren't a continuing threat to democracy
everyone had their work cut-out trying to deal with whatever table he’d flipped that day.
I like that... I was going to call it an analogy, but I suspect it was more litteral.
Had he just admitted defeat graciously, and slipped into the background
The trouble is of course that he couldn't ever have done that. Admitting defeat for Trump is physiologically impossible
Had he just admitted defeat graciously, and slipped into the background
The trouble is of course that he couldn’t ever have done that. Admitting defeat for Trump is physiologically impossible
Narcissists are just not wired that way. See also Lance Armstrong.
Would be funny if true but it isn’t.
Earlier this year his lawyers waived his right to a jury trial as confirmed in online court filings; this is why it’s just the judge.
Yes, his lawyers waived his rights to a jury trial by not ticking the box saying 'do you want a jury trial', which according to a couple of reports is a major cock up considering how he's attacked the judge who will be deciding the verdict.
Any bets on how long it will take him to violate his new gag order?
Yesterday evening he doxed the judges clerk, name, phone number and social media handles. Lunch was delayed for the orange-buffoon while he was forced to delete the post from Truth Social in court before the judge. I suspect that another outburst will result in some new fetching orange all-in-one wear for his court appearances.
Oops. Trump’s lawyers forgot to ask for a jury trial
No, they didn't - as you acknowledge.
It was a strategic decision to opt for a bench trial, taken with trump's backing, which is not working because he can't keep his mouth shut.
A strategic decision to leave the decision to a judge who is not impressed by Trump? Everything I'm seeing indicates an oversight and now Alina Habba is doubling down claiming a jury trial was not an option.
In civil trials in the US the Jury sets any damages and can tend to be quite creative and excessive with them - see Alex Jones getting a 10 figure fine to pay.
stategically Trump needs no to have a jury as the costs to pay in a case he can only lose (has already lost) should be lower if they set by a judge instead. Politically….his cult following is galvanised by a sense of persecution- so there not being a jury gives him something to point at as an injustice, even though it was his choice.
Just cause its funny, y'know.
Anyone want to hazard a gues as to what the disgorgement will be?
My guess is $950,000,000 🤩
>$250,000,000
$249,000,000
WTF, he's just given his support to Gym Jordan for speaker.
FFS
mert - it's not surprising as jordan has been and is very strongly pro-trump.
It's also an attempt by trump to ensure he stays relevant.
Oh, i know *why* he's doing it. But a complete waste. The chances of Gym getting the 218(?) votes he needs is, errrr, "low".
There are plenty of pro trump who might actually stand a remote chance of getting in.
Not a surprise for Trump though.
WTF, he’s just given his support to Gym Jordan for speaker.
Serial sex offender supports guy who covered up for serial sex offences.
As part of Engoron's ruling putting Trump's companies into administration he's also asked for details of everyone who has a stake in these companies. Should be interesting what overseas names come out.
American partisan politics is frankly pathetic. The western world is under attack and they are squabbling like infants.
Trump has dismissed his own 500 million case against Cohen, because he was afraid of being deposed 🤦🏻♂️
Cohen can now counter sue for substantial damages 👍
American
partisanRepublican party politics is frankly pathetic. The western world is under attack and they are squabbling like infants..
FTFY. There are plenty of Democrats that I think are wrong on policy issues or corrupt, but they are within the normal bounds of politics everywhere. The Republican Party is something different, they aren't arguing about what policies they want to enact, they are arguing about how best to prevent any policies being enacted. They aren't arguing that Trump isn't corrupt, they are just saying that corruption doesn't matter. It's not a partisan problem, it's a problem that the Republican Party has fallen into the hands of conspiracy theory cranks and shameless fraudsters.
Anyone want to hazard a gues as to what the disgorgement will be?
£500 plus VAT
FTFY. There are plenty of Democrats that I think are wrong on policy issues or corrupt, but they are within the normal bounds of politics everywhere. The Republican Party is something different, they aren’t arguing about what policies they want to enact, they are arguing about how best to prevent any policies being enacted. They aren’t arguing that Trump isn’t corrupt, they are just saying that corruption doesn’t matter. It’s not a partisan problem, it’s a problem that the Republican Party has fallen into the hands of conspiracy theory cranks and shameless fraudsters.
The fringes of the republican party.
You have to remember that the USA is the "States". The core Republican belief is for a small federal government. Which then pushes a lot of power down to a state level. Some states then choose to have high taxes, good public services, etc etc, and can trade off regulation Vs job creation, personal freedom Vs collective responsibility, etc.
The party is currently stuck in the same position Labour was 5 years ago, the base want's Corbyn/Trump, and in the Republican case he's got more support than every other candidate combined which means if you want to beat him you need to appeal to his supporters. At least in Labours case once Corbyn was out there was still a fairly healthy split between the other factions so there wasn't this lurch to the extreme.
In the senate they're only about 10-15 nutters, but like the ERG or UKIP they sometimes hold the balance of power, especially when it's split 49/51, you have to get those nutters to vote for your bill to get a majority, otherwise it has to be watered down so much the opposition will give you votes.
As part of Engoron’s ruling putting Trump’s companies into administration he’s also asked for details of everyone who has a stake in these companies. Should be interesting what overseas names come out.
Don't think having most of his stock owned by Russians or Chinese will help him much!
I'm guessing it'll also show that he doesn't actually have as much money as he says he does as it's actually investors that have the cash. And he's out of the Forbes top 400 rich list, probably the opnly things that'll make him smart at the moment, but that will all be political witchhunts etc. etc. I'm sure.
That photo above of the Mango Mussolini’s attempt at a comb-over must be making him frothing mad, anything that attacks his overwhelming vanity will have him kicking the tables over all over Maro-a-Lardo.
For years I’ve been trying to work out his his comb over works. Looking at that picture is it all fringe? I can’t fathom the mentality behind having a comb over and what does one do whilst growing one? Wear a hat for the duration, go in to hiding?
Explained here:
This clusterf*ck in Israel is going to be the thing that sees trump re-elected. It'll be painted as Biden / Dems fault for 'not being tough on Iran'. Additionally, given the headbangers that are keeping Netanyahu in power, Israel's response is going to be awful. Biden will call for restraint, Trump will call for blood, and the US public will be in the mood for blood.
Yet again everything Trump touches dies
https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/ceos/mike-lindell-net-worth/
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Yet again everything Trump touches dies
This is incredibly satisfying
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/09/us/politics/trump-israel-travel-ban.html
“The bloodshed and killing that we saw this week will never, ever be allowed to happen on American soil,” he said. “Except for the fact that we have now allowed tens of thousands of probable terrorists into our country.”
He claimed, without evidence, that the “same people that attacked Israel” are entering the United States through its southern border, a similar message asserted by at least two other Republican presidential candidates — Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida and Vivek Ramaswamy — over the weekend.
I am not sure if he is saying that "it will never ever be allowed to happen" in America, or that it might happen.
Although to be fair he probably isn't either.
I've not fact checked myself, but I'll bet people crossing into the US from Mexico are not the same people, lol!
2022, in hte USA, 62 homicides/manslaughter by 'non citizens'.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics
Total number of homicides... 26,031
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
Total population est. 333,287,557
Bell ends be bellin’ - Donald Trump “demanded” an apology from Forbes magazine after it dropped him from its list of the 400 wealthiest people in the US for the second time in three years.
“I hereby demand a full apology from the failing Forbes Magazine, and their third rate psycho writer, Dan Alexander, for the many false and libelous articles they have written about me, and for the cooperation they have given to the Racist and Incompetent A.G. of New York State, Peekaboo James.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/12/trump-forbes-magazine-wealthiest-people-list
failing Forbes Magazine
But weirdly he still wants to be on their list, and if they put him in his own special category he would tell them in the very next tweet that they were brilliant. I never fail to be amazed that a whole country is still being held hostage by an elderly orange narcissist with the world's most fragile ego.
Trump coming to a UK court.
Let the lies and madness begin! 😁
I bet GB News are already trying to get him to give an interview to the faithful whilst here...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67123583
Partial gag order enacted in the US. He is going to violate it isn't he?
"he intends to discharge his burden"
Isn't that exactly what the dossier was alleging?
He won't be able to fit it in around all his other cases.
There is no certainty a UK court will hear the case.
In other news he's got himself another gag order.
His response on truth social....we will appeal etc etc.
WITCH HUNT!!
He just doesn't get it - which adds to the fun.
2022, in hte USA, 62 homicides/manslaughter by ‘non citizens’.
Total number of homicides… 26,031
The CBP stat isn't saying that only 62 non-citizens were convicted of murder. It's saying that of all the non-citizens arrested by Border Patrol (which is just one of literally thousands of law enforcement agencies in the US) for any reason, 62 of them had previously been convicted of homicide or manslaughter.
It doesn't actually tell you anything about the citizenship of who is committing homicides in the US.
“he intends to discharge his burden”
I think that's why several people allege he wears nappies.
tj - with his 'WITCH HUNT!!' post on truth social he may have come close to breaching it already.
Here's hoping!!!