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Fair to say that Scotland's senior politicians (on all sides) haven't exactly heralded Trump's victory 😀
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37916648
now you'll try and say a General Election isn't a "democratic excersize
Well, I certainly wouldn't...
Pound's just jumped two points against the Euro.
Yay! Go go go President Fart!!
A lot of comments out there today about the rise of the far right..confirmed by many right wing parties being the first to congratulate Trump...
An older article but interesting. http://www.vox.com/2016/9/19/12933072/far-right-white-riot-trump-brexit
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Meanwhile Hillary is having a little holiday (ok vacation) at Guantanamo filming her new reality tv show, where she undergo's various trials voted for by the public. Week one is confirmed as waterboarding week.
John Stewart and his cohorts have been implicated by NSA investigations as leaders of the largest international peado network and upon sentencing will be entered into the inaugural Deathbowl to be screened next month.
The federal reserve announced the melting down of gold reserves for a Donald statue to replace the statue of liberty and go toward statues to be erected in every state oh and a Trump logo for the renamed Trump House.
A new system of war has been announced. Twice a year the Donald live on TV with a patriotic crowd chanting USA USA USA, spins a wheel with all the countries of the world listed, whatever it lands on get's bombed flat and turned into a wasteland.
He plans to abolish US time zones and replace existing time metrics with a system of his own devising, Donalds for hours and Trumps for minutes.
It was all predicted in BTTF 2.
Hillary speaking now, live on Sky website and tv
Canada's immigration website crashes during US voteglad I put my request in last week!
Canada's Immigration website crashes during a stiff breeze, this means nothing (speaking from bitter personal experience).
I challenge any person on here to provide evidence that their day to day life has been effected in any way whatsoever by this election over the following 12 months
If I'd put that bet on him becoming president months ago it might have changed things but other than that. . . . . .
After this I'm off to put a few quid on Kanye for the next one 😆
After this I'm off to put a few quid on Kanye for the next one
Eminem might be a better shout 😉
The thing that disappoints me most is not the thought of trump as president, its that there were enough people out there who voted for him based on what we know about him and what he came out with during the campaign
In reality I'm not sure he will go through with much of what he pledged. Hes not stupid, he knew there was a large population of disenchanted white voters and he played a blinder by telling them exactly what they wanted to hear.
Whilst I will make no secret of my contempt for the man, I'm not convinced that the end of the world is just round the corner, as many would beleive. As a previous poster as already alluded to, I'd rather have Trump in the office than that religious nut job Ted Cruz, who in my opinion would have been an even bigger disaster.
What amazes me most is that out of 300 m odd americans, there wasn't a better candidate for the job. I honestly beleive that the Democrats could have put forward a monkey in a suit and got ellected against Trunp, but instead they put forward the only person on earth that could lose against him.
Obama must have his head in his hands right now....
The thing that annoys me is not what happens in the next four years, because i suspect that should Trump not be able to keep his promises, those disencharnted voters that put Trump in the White House will just as quickly take it away again! No, the issue is that, imo, the President of the USA should be a figure head, a leader, and a role model. The thought that throughout the USA, children will get the message it's "OK" to be a racist, selfish, pig, and in fact, not just "ok" but actually advantageous, is a rather saddening one.....
Whilst I will make no secret of my contempt for the man, I'm not convinced that the end of the world is just round the corner, as many would beleive. As a previous poster as already alluded to, I'd rather have Trump in the office than that religious nut job Ted Cruz, who in my opinion would have been an even bigger disaster.
That's an excellent point.
The cohort that won it for Trump is wealthier white people.
Ransos just look at the map. The wealthy East and West coasts vote Democrat. Trump won with working class votes, predominantly white but he did better with Hispanics than Romney in 2012 and Black people did not turn out for Clinton in the way they did for Obama.
I'd rather have Trump in the office than that religious nut job Ted Cruz, who in my opinion would have been an even bigger disaster.
Yup me too. Cruz is well known to be further right than Trump.
Obama must have his head in his hands right now....
He's probably planning on when to piss in the kettle and skiff the pillow covers.
! No, the issue is that, imo, the President of the USA should be a figure head, a leader, and a role model. The thought that throughout the USA, children will get the message it's "OK" to be a racist, selfish, pig, and in fact, not just "ok" but actually advantageous, is a rather saddening one.....
Spot on. This is one of Obama's biggest attributes as President, and Trump is about as far away from that as you can get.
When they build the wall, they should write this on it:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
well Trump was essentially a democraticCruz is well known to be further right than Trump.
the problem is not his policies - of which we seem to have racism and pussy grabbing
He is just not fit for high office irrespective of what I think of his policies. He is petulant, self absorbed, prone to outbursts, acts without thinking, likes to bully and throw his weight around and he has very few morals in the pursuit of making himself richer and more powerful.
I am genuinely astounded so many folk could vote for a racist sexist, woman assaulting orange quifured man child with anger management issue.
Even ignoring his polices there is nothing to admire in him and nothing that would make me want him to be the head of my state never mind "the free world" with his finger on the nuclear trigger with no check on his authority
I'm looking forward to Charlie Brookers end of year review special, at this rate it is going to be a mini series at the very least or perhaps a trilogy to rival Lord of the Rings.
Even ignoring his polices there is nothing to admire in him
Success is a big thing in America. So rich people automatically have cachet, rather than mistrust and cynicism like they have here.
I'm looking forward to Charlie Brookers end of year review special,
I don't see him adding anything new above the conversations that everybody has been having today.
He is just not fit for high office irrespective of what I think of his policies. He is petulant, self absorbed, prone to outbursts, acts without thinking, likes to bully and throw his weight around and he has very few morals in the pursuit of making himself richer and more powerful.
Junkyard, do you think his behaviour(s) might...modify in office?
I don't know.
Rhetoric is one thing when grabbing the job but when in the job....?
America may not be full of racists but they've just endorsed an openly racist, misogynist.
I'm sure that Trump won't be able to do all the stupid things he promised in his campaign, but h is campaign has been bitter and horribly divisive, just as with Brexit, I'm sure there will be a surge of hate crime and racism.
Those genies are damn hard to put back in- is something no brexiter on here or in the government had had the courage to admit, Trump will be the same.
The KKK are probably getting the flaming crosses and nooses on standby, it's back to the good 'ol days !
Junky nice to hear from you. If you are astounded you need to spend more time in the US and especially away from the coasts to understand the place. Even Democrats think the European welfare state is a joke. We all think gun control is essential but that's a big vote loser in the US as Clinton found out.
Oops double post
[quote=molgrips ]Even ignoring his polices there is nothing to admire in him
Success is a big thing in America. So rich people automatically have cachet, rather than mistrust and cynicism like they have here.
I'm sure we'd all do well with daddies money.
The fact Trump has made a consistent pigs ear of daddies money doesn't seem to be an issue...
WELL DONE MR TRUMP, a well fought election against hilary, who had no chance of ever winning, the people have spoken, and chosen well.
We urgently need to suspend all remoaning on here so we can figure out 'what the hell is going on' then comment/waffle extensively and endlessly on it with our solutions to reversing the results of democratic processes.
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Offish - no he will not modify - he has a personality disorder and is incapable of doing so
I do fear he will try to take revenge against scotland and the SNP
His speech suggests he might try but a leopard cannot change its spots and his hubris and ego will be his downfall or he will press the wrong button with his tiny tiny hands.Junkyard, do you think his behaviour(s) might...modify in office?
I don't know.
Rhetoric is one thing when grabbing the job but when in the job....?
I dont need to spend any time with folk who would vote for him whilst polishing their gunyou need to spend more time in the US and especially away from the coasts to understand the place. Even Democrats think the European welfare state is a joke
Yes the people have spoken.
Hillary Clinton: 59,414,007 votes.
Donald Trump: 59,229,394 votes.+184,613 votes for Clinton.
Trump Wins.
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Maxtorque +1
Have borrowed that thought to answer a "friend's" FB post.
Whilst disappointed in the result, the silver lining is that I had not realised what a fantastic spectator sport hand wringing is.
. Even Democrats think the European welfare state is a joke
Not the ones I have met, I have met Americans who believe the NHS is socialist vehicle, that was an enlightening conversation, which finished with this statement " it's their own fault if they get cancer" how do argue against that.
Many Americans I have met are curious and a bit jealous of our welfare state.
Yes the people have spoken.
+184,613 votes for Clinton.
The elections are rigged. Trump told us that himself. 😀
Many Americans I have met are curious and a bit jealous of our welfare state.
Many of them don't get what it is, and are incredulous when you explain it.
Success is a big thing in America. So rich people automatically have cachet, rather than mistrust and cynicism like they have here.
Only becasue they don't have the class system that serves us so well over here. 😕
Many Americans I have met are curious and a bit jealous of our welfare state.
The Americans I know that are travelled and have first-hand experience of the NHS have nothing but praise for it. They seem a little more cautious over other welfare though.
We can complain as much as we like but it will not do any good. Much better to think why do the leading proponents of posttruthpolitics - yS, Brexshiteers, Trump - attract a following and why did 2/3 succeed in their ambitions. Why are lies so effective and why do they resonate with so many? Equally importantly, how should the purveyors of truth respond in a world of gesture politics, fluffy fairy tales and isolationalism?
Should be an intresting new year, for usa plc, and treseme when and if they meet
theotherjonv
Maxtorque +1Have borrowed that thought to answer a "friend's" FB post.
To put it another way: Even if he somehow manages to "save" America, will the cost have been worth it? Where that cost is the loss of Decency, Free speech and rights for all, no matter their background, skin colour, or Religious ideals?
Nigel Farage has said that it'll be ok, because Trump has "Respect" for Britain. Well i'm sorry, but his "Respect" is not only worthless and unwanted, it's actually potentially poisonous. History shows us the danger of allowing the radical, and racist into important positions, where step by small step they become too powerful to remove. It's not by chance that Angela Merkel's message to Trump contained those barely concealed hard learn't lessons from Germany......
A lame duck President who won't be able to deliver on his "promises", much like the brexshitters.
Two things: Once the public realise that promises are not being delivered, who or what will they vote for next? This applies to the UK as well.
As alluded to further up the thread, The racism, sexism, and all the other crap that the right use to garner votes of the easily lead, is now out there with the gloves off. This also applies to the UK.
Wasn't Leicester winning the Premier League nice? Those were the days.
is it by thinking of funny names for those people who voted otherwise than us?Equally importantly, how should the purveyors of truth respond in a world of gesture politics
Its a bit arrogant to call them all liars - all politicians are liars but it is reasonable to say that emotive irrational arguments seem to be winning the day instead of calm and reasoned discourse
you might wish to ask yourself which side you give the most to
his "Respect" is not only worthless and unwanted
Speak for yourself mate, Obama wanted to put us to the back of the queue.
To be fair Trump, Clinton and Obama have all given decent conciliatory speeches, Much more mature than we saw post referendum from Captain Flounce Cameron, Farage's brash crowing, Labour's headless chicken fance or the divisive nastiness from the Tory conference.
Bah double post
23/06/16
And
08/11/16
Two dates of infamy that future generations* will rightly despise us for.
Well done us. Hell yeah.
*I sincerely hope I am not being over-optimistic here.
mitsumonkey
his "Respect" is not only worthless and unwantedSpeak for yourself mate, Obama wanted to put us to the back of the queue.
If you're happy to be respected by a racist c**t then fair doo's that's your choice, but don't be surprised to be "the first against the wall when the revolution comes" #HHGTTG
Jambalaya; I have to say, you seem almost gleeful that Hilary Clinton was beaten by a racist, misogynist egomaniac. You've been very highly critical of Hilary (I don't have an issue with that, for she is truly vile), yet I can't recall you ever directing such a critical eye towards Trump. That's, racist, misogynistic, egomaniacal Donald Trump. I find this somewhat perplexing, given your outspoken behaviour regarding the alleged 'anti-Semitism' in the Labour party. Surely someone who is so dedicated towards challenging xenophobia would be very critical of someone like racist, misogynistic, egomaniacal Donald Trump. But you're not.
So, could you explain this for me? Thanks.
"is it by thinking of funny names for those people who voted otherwise than us?
Its a bit arrogant to call them all liars - all politicians are liars but it is reasonable to say that emotive irrational arguments seem to be winning the day instead of calm and reasoned discourse
you might wish to ask yourself which side you give the most to"
Well said. I was trying to think of a way to make that point and that sums it up.
"she is truly vile"
She's not. She'd have been a perfectly adequate President, far better than Trump.
It will be worth seeing how Trump reacts to the angry voters when he does not deliver what he promised in his election campaign. He will be stifled by the corridors of power and machinations of big government departments.
"She's not. "
She is. Either you have a very short memory, or you're woefully ignorant.
"Obama wanted to put us to the back of the queue."
That's a pretty good point.
23/06/16And
08/11/16
Two dates of infamy that future generations* will rightly despise us for.
I daresay, much like 3/5/79, it'll be forgotten as worse events in the future will take over that particular baton.
"Either you have a very short memory, or you're woefully ignorant."
Perhaps you could remind or inform me then: State 3 vile things Clinton has done in office.
Ok:
Libya
Iraq/Afghanistan
Syria
Yemen
Honduras
Haiti
Oh, that's twice as many things as you asked for. Sorry.
Did Clinton condone her black panther supporters or is she racist too?
You forgot brexit, the charlie hebdo attacks, and crimea, plus I stubbed my toe a couple of years back, it really hurt, the bitch!
Clinton's biggest fault by far was daring to be a woman.
You forgot brexit, the charlie hebdo attacks, and crimea, plus I stubbed my toe a couple of years back, it really hurt, the bitch!
And some bastid scratched someone's car and didn't own up.
she really reached out to men in her speech.....the words of inclusiveness
Yeah she's a saint.
The Americans have made their choice and given the options who can say they are wrong.
On the one hand a duplicitous, war mongering, avaricious harridan who thinks the death of an enemy is funny or a letcherous, morally bankrupt, bigot who will say whatever is required to win without compunction.
The options were bad.
[b]Even Democrats think the European welfare state is a joke.[/b]
@jambayla...you made that up for your own spin. Utter tosh and am impossibility to know.
The Clintons are quite clearly money-grabbing and corrupt.
I mean, £3.50 for a simple birthday card FFS!
Clinton had a hand in the growing federal debt crisis, destabilising conflicts, stirring and destroying regions. If not directly indirectly by being part of the Government's that did this. Ontop of all this her husband was impeached. She's also a pretty cold character.
If you are a US citizen you might be forgiven for being sick of all career politicians.
Not a view I endorse but I doubt it's a rosey as well think looking at her America.
Are you really blaming Clinton for Iraq and Afghanistan? And you call other people woefully ignorant.
What has she done in Yemen and Haiti?
Bravo Graham! 😀
First hit on Google. Could you trust her? Maybe Trump might stop buying arms.
WtF has what her husband was charged with an acquitted of got to do with herOntop of all this her husband was impeached
Is it your wifes fault you serially swap bike frames?
What has she done in Yemen and Haiti?
I believe in Haiti she failed to prevent a hurricane and an earthquake, that horrible women.
Hi junkyard. Read my post. I'm looking at different angles. Read.
'Not a view I endorse'.
Is it your wifes fault you serially swap bike frames?
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I'm still not seeing anything Hillary had direct control over or anything that any other administration wouldn't have done.
Mind you there's some pretty nasty stuff there, I'd forgotten the summary executions on Foreign Soil. Will Trump stop that? He certainly feels like an isolationist to me. Or will we miss America as world Policeman when they're gone?
Not a view I endorse but I doubt it's a rosey as well think looking at her America
Perhaps when you re read this you will see why i was confused by what you wrote?
Sure she had no influence in countless drone strikes in ****stan? Renditions, Etc. Secretary of State is a powerful position.
Mind you there's some pretty nasty stuff there, I'd forgotten the summary executions on Foreign Soil. Will Trump stop that?
Seems unlikely given he has said he wants to "take out" the families of terrorists.
"Seems unlikely given he has said he wants to "take out" the families of terrorists."
Not sure Trump's Rhetoric is a reliable indication of what he's going to do in office.