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@DrJ what does it do for the rich people in the world!

Also Summary/Highlights http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-01/donald-trumps-speech-to-congress-key-moments/8314650
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/28/us/politics/trump-congress-address-live-video-analysis.html - Replay from the failing NTY
and a quick fact check
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/28/us/politics/fact-check-trump-congress-address.html

Presidential Order supporting Black colleges, I imagine that won't get much press.

Betsy DeVos is in hot water again for her comments on black colleges

Politics This morning
The education secretary faced a backlash for calling historically black colleges and universities “real pioneers when it comes to school choice.” Critics pointed out that black colleges were a product of segregation, which did not allow black students to attend white schools, rather than choice.

ernie_lynch - Member

It never ceases to amaze me when I hear Trump speak before an audience. He seems to spurt out words fairly randomly, and often repeating them or rearranging them for no obvious reason, and yet he seems to enthral his target audience.

Posted this a long way back in this thread but once you notice how much his delivery is like Rab C Nesbitt's, you can't un-notice it. He even borrowed catchphrases, "I will tell you this!"

Presidential Order supporting Black colleges

In other words....an endorsement for segregation I feel..

I look with disdain when I see right-wing simpletons, both sides of the Atlantic, resort to puerile mocking because they lack the intellectual skills to formulate coherent arguments to back up their neanderthal opinions, which invariably they've come to without having to do anything as tedious and boring as "thinking".

Many would agree with me and then engage in exactly the same tactic. I owe it to myself not to be a hypocrite.

Oh right.

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Tom, I am no fan of Trump but I don't spend every minute trying to find the most negative slant on everything he says.

Not everything he will do is bad. All of these are positive imo. Reform/different approach UN, NATO, IMF, trade relationships, tax (encouraging US companies to repatriate hundreds of billions of profits held offshore and untaxed in the US), foreign policy (Iran amd Israel), tighter laws on immigration (or just actually applying the laws the US already has) and finally his approach to the EU will help the UK and show the EU up for what it is, a collusal failure.

As for Trump's speaking style the fact that its totally different (bizarre) is a reflection of the fact he is not a carear politician and that was in his favour electorally. It was part of his appeal.

I don't spend every minute trying to find the most negative slant on everything he says.

Me neither, it's always blindingly obvious 🙂 the man does nothing but talk out of his arse. He's just making up garbage. How anyone can take it seriously I have no idea!

For such a "collusal failure", it seems to be taking an awfully long time for the EU to "fail"...

A bit like the Euro, who's death, it seems, is not keeping pace with the original Cassandric wails of doom of some years ago.

Jamby, read the fact check on his speech, half of what he has claimed is either nothing or empty words.
On things like Israel

that is dead on, and something he did for a year in the campaign. People would walk away from his words hearing whatever they wanted to hear.

that is dead on, and something he did for a year in the campaign. People would walk away from his words hearing whatever they wanted to hear.

that is dead on, and something he did for a year in the campaign. People would walk away from his words hearing whatever they wanted to hear.

I am no fan of Trump

Fake news

I am no fan of Trump but I don't spend every minute trying to find the most negative slant on everything he says.

No fan either, but this is completely true. Going back through this thread some posters output is incredible !! Thousands of words and hundreds of hours expended, hoping to achieve exactly what ???

[quote=ernie_lynch ]It seems as if Trump says all the right words for his adoring supporters, although the fact that they are not necessarily in the right order or make much sense doesn't appear to matter.

Isn't it the case that his stream of consciousness contains the relevant buzzwords for each of his groups of supporters, and that they just ignore everything else he says. So order and making sense doesn't matter so long as he gets those bits in.

[quote=jambalaya ]Tom, I am no fan of Trump but I don't spend every minute trying to find the most negative slant on everything he says.
Not everything he will do is bad. All of these are positive imo.

That's quite a long list for somebody who isn't a fan. So I'm going to call you on that one - if you're not a fan you can presumably provide an equally long list of the things he is doing which you think are bad. I appreciate that doesn't fit in with your modus operandi on this thread, but given your claim at the start of the post, I'm wondering if you can do it...

"No fan either, but this is completely true. Going back through this thread some posters output is incredible !! Thousands of words and hundreds of hours expended, hoping to achieve exactly what ???"

Ditto, I was a bit shocked that they voted in a gameshow host as a President but the hysterical leaping up the ladder of inference at everything he says is wearing in the extreme.

but the hysterical leaping up the ladder of inference at everything he says is wearing in the extreme.

The one silver lining.

He's so despised by so many, and has pissed so many off bigly, that there will be a great amount, really a great amount, of those people working tirelessly behind the scenes to bring him down. 8)

There's simply no way there's no real dirt on him. Absolutely no chance he's clean. Whether it's a disgruntled intelligence service or media outlet, someone somewhere is doing the digging. A Watergate V2.0 is on the horizon.

outofbreath - Member

I was a bit shocked that they voted in a gameshow host as a President but the hysterical leaping up the ladder of inference at everything he says is wearing in the extreme.

I have no idea why you claim "inference", I thought it was universally accepted that Trump means what his says. Don't most people take Trumps words at face value?

But tell me about this "leaping up the ladder of inference" outofbreath, who is misrepresenting Trump?

aracer - Member

Isn't it the case that his stream of consciousness contains the relevant buzzwords for each of his groups of supporters, and that they just ignore everything else he says.

I think that's very true aracer. But it's not unique to Trump, Tony Blair used a similar tactic albeit in a slightly more sophisticated manner.

I have heard Blair described as "the great communicator" and yet he was capable of waffling endlessly without actually saying anything of any substance. He would litter his speeches with terms such as "decent people" and "fairness" which his audiences loved but actually meant very little in the context that they were used.

When Blair won the 1997 general election most people imo had little idea what policies he would pursue, many people seemed to support him primarily on the basis that he wasn't a Tory. Although ironically he turned out to be far more Tory than many had imagined.

I voted for Blair in 1997 as I did believe that "Things could only get better" and in fairness they did for a while and I say Chapeau for the minimum wage. His Government lost its way over Iraq and lack of financial market regulation before Brwn totally ****ed up his responce to the financial crises.

Pigface I think you have to take what you can that's positive and look forward to 2024 when he stands down after his second term.

DrJ the UN gives out other people's money with a hefty bureaucratic overhead, it would be simpler and more efficient if all that activity was just replaced by the Red Cross of MSF. As for "keeping the peace" its been a abject failure especially in Rwanda and Bosnia where UN incompetence was responsible for significant geonicides. The UN approved the intervention in Libya too. That didn't work out did it ? It needs a radical overhaul and massively slimming down.

DrJ the UN gives out other people's money with a hefty bureaucratic overhead,

Usual #jambabollocks. Even when something is written down in simple sentences and huge letters you can't see it. The UN does a wide range of stuff. Could it be done better? Obviously - as in all cases. Is it non-functional as you claim? Ludicrous.

where UN incompetence was responsible for significant geonicides.

Say what now? UN troops committed genocide?

I voted for Blair in 1997

So you've history with voting for ****s then 😛

it would be simpler and more efficient if all that activity was just replaced by the Red Cross of MSF.

This is bollocks

Draining the Swamp ?

Republicans introduce the [b]Stop Settlement Slush Fund Act of 2017[/b]

Under Obama it is alleged diverted billions of dollars of third-party penalty settlements paid to the Department of Justice via "shadowy funds" to "left wing causes".

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/01/gop-wants-to-eliminate-shadowy-doj-slush-fund-bankrolling-leftist-groups.html

Left wing causes like affordable housing? That Obama was the devil.

Left wing causes like affordable housing?

Or the National Fish and Wildfowl Foundation..

Or the U.S. Coast Guard Alumni Association.

Thank god Trump and Jambaliar are there to protect us!!

Indeed, our planets rivers will be so much better when they are full of coal an oil sludge. Go Donald, go!

jambalaya - Member
Draining the Swamp ?

mikewsmith - Member
The only drainage was to make room for his own friends.

... and to get rid of the old regime. Normal behaviour. 😛

chewkw - Member
mikewsmith - Member
The only drainage was to make room for his own friends.
... and to get rid of the old regime. Normal behaviour.

goldman sachs................................... 😳

Now hears a nice interesting concept, Americans citizens stop paying any tax.
No more till the 'donald' starts to pay his fair wack, or releases his tax returns.

That would be one hell of a protest

kimbers - Member
goldman sachs...................................

With the ones that bow to the President... 😆

So no swamp draining at all? I see you have shifted from the Donald isn't corrupt then.

grahamh - Member
Now hears a nice interesting concept, Americans citizens stop paying any tax.
No more till the 'donald' starts to pay his fair wack, or releases his tax returns.

That would be one hell of a protest

Do you seriously think Bernie Sanders has the leadership quality that can move the earth?

Isn't Bernie the Jeremy Corbyn of America?

mikewsmith - Member
So no swamp draining at all? I see you have shifted from the Donald isn't corrupt then.

Nope. Not corrupt at all. Normal for a politician ...

No politicians on this earth can be considered a saint. None of them.

"Isn't Bernie the Jeremy Corbyn of America?"

Donald Trump is the Jeremy Corbyn of America.

outofbreath - Member

"Isn't Bernie the Jeremy Corbyn of America?"

Donald Trump is the Jeremy Corbyn of America.

Is that because of their "cult" following? 😆

CBS: Viewers strongly supportive of Trump's Congress speech. Financial Markets at record highs as investors look favourably on economic measures

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-poll-viewers-strongly-approve-president-trump-speech-call-it-unifying-presidential/

The financial markets are doing well because Apple are doing very well currently, and being a tech company trump has done them no good with his plans to tax imported stuff that they rely on. So the market is doing well despite trump not because of him.

Indeed, that is one aspect, people were incredibly relieved that for once he was able to leave a lot of shouting and name calling at the door. Other views are available
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/opinion/donald-trump-master-of-low-expectations.html
Such as the level of expectation was so low it was hard to fail, his speech didn't really contain anything of any substance or any solutions

Trump cited the fact that there are 43 million people on food stamps and living in poverty in the United States. That is indeed a shameful truth, but Trump didn’t actually promise to do anything about it.

He invented problems and fake solutions

At one point, Republican lawmakers in the chamber leapt to their feet, cheering in sycophantic approval, when Trump announced that he was going to put an end to the “uncontrolled entry” into the United States of people “from places where proper vetting cannot occur.”

This is a classic Trumpian stunt, inventing a problem and then promising to fix it. There is no free access for refugees to this country — it takes about two years to clear the vetting process — and none of the fatal terrorist attacks in the United States since 9/11 have been committed by people from the seven countries Trump targeted with his anti-Muslim visa ban.

If Trump did nothing about immigration, he could cross “uncontrolled entry” off his list because it’s not happening and it never has. Under Trump’s leadership, there won’t be any flying pigs, either, and Bigfoot will finally be prevented from tracking his muddy footprints through the Capitol Rotunda.

and as usual misrepresented a lot of facts

“Ninety-four million Americans are out of the labor force.”

This is misleading.

That is roughly the number of Americans older than 15 who do not have jobs. But it includes high school and college students, people with disabilities, stay-at-home parents and millions of retirees. The number of Americans who would like to work but can't find jobs is much smaller. The Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that about 7.6 million people were unemployed in January.

More importantly in the short term many of the repubilcans cringed their way through some aspects of the speech knowing that hell would freeze before they voted for spending money without massive cuts to things he doesn't want to cut. The Democrats will love championing his infrastructure plans while the Reps try and block them

The President gained support for his policy plans among viewers: Interviewed before and after the address, they came away from it more positive on his ideas for the economy, immigration, terrorism, crime and Obamacare.

That's the thing. Isn't it.... His ratings went up because he managed to stay on message without threatening to shoot the person who stole his teddy. Set the bar low and it becomes easier to raise the bar.

Well let's hope nobody has mis-remembered anything they might have been on the record as saying
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39136118

A US congressional committee has agreed an investigation into Russia's alleged interference in last year's US elections.
The House intelligence panel inquiry will scrutinise contacts between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and Moscow, members confirmed.
Until now, Republican senators had been reluctant to agree to Democratic Party demands for the inquiry.

Is Mr Sessions looking for the box for his desk? Hope he didn't lie in his confirmation hearing

The disclosures about the contacts came as new questions were raised about Attorney General Jeff Sessions’s ties to the Russians. According to a former senior American official, he met with the Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, twice in the past year. The details of the meetings were not clear, but the contact appeared to contradict testimony Mr. Sessions provided Congress during his confirmation hearing in January when he said he “did not have communications with the Russians.”

How many of his senior staff will have to resign because of their secret links to Russia?

How long before trump's own financial ties to Russia get exposed?

You know I'm starting to think there might be something behind these Russia rumours.

[quote=akira ]You know I'm starting to think there might be something behind these Russia rumours.

#fakenews

akira - Member
You know I'm starting to think there might be something behind these Russia rumours.

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So yet another of Trumps team is a massive liar, and someone who is the figure head of Justice where i think you'll find 'upholding the truth above everything else' is rather important.....

So it seems to get a job with Trump all you need is the following:

1) no morals
2) Be a pathological liar
3) the more selfish your are the better
4) line your own pocket as your first rule