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A country on its knees, a real test would be sorting out the problems in the Middle East and getting Saudi and Iran to stop messing about.
Yeah getting nk to have a holiday in Singapore with no preconditions or concessions is a tough one.
Fox made a wonderful Freudian slip the other day
https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2018/06/11/fox-news-said-donald-trump-honest-3-seconds/
Trump is fundamentally undemocratic,
What’s your point caller? 🙄
I think his point is he doesn't know what undemocratic means.
On the plus side for the EU exiting the club & looking for a good trade deal with the USA looks like a fools errand!
Good job we have the perfect tool for the job in DFDS Liam Fox
He better get reading up on this
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You can see why Johnson admires him.
Either way this will play well with his base at home, which surely was the point (until reciprirec tariffs start to bite) No matter the long term damage to the USA.
Well I think he might just have given up defending his new best friend, could that be the writing on the wall for Trump when ninfan and Fox and Chums give up on you....
Either way this will play well with his base at home, which surely was the point (until reciprirec tariffs start to bite) No matter the long term damage to the USA.
Yep those farmers, people making anything out of metal - great interview with some guys who work in a steel or alu processing plant who thought he was looking after them but they buy there metal from overseas so now are set for a massive price increase. The EU is targeting specific states with vulnerable high profile industries and you can expect the rest to follow up
I think that ninfan is trying to draw attention to Russian interference in the election, the kremliK bot farms continually pumped out links showing how trump votes were gonna be fraudulently lost by the deep state.
Those same accounts after the result initially started pumping out posts saying it was rigged, that's why trump lost, before mysteriously shutting down. It looks like the Russians had never expected a trump victory either!
I'm still not sure whether it's a case of you being a far-right provocateur or whether you simply enjoy being contrary for the heck of it.
So why would you celebrate a breakdown in consensus between the leaders of the G7?
I’m still not sure whether it’s a case of you being a far-right provocateur or whether you simply enjoy being contrary for the heck of it.
So why would you celebrate a breakdown in consensus between the leaders of the G7?
Well, Germany has happily shat all over the rest of the Euro economy (even Owen agrees with me: https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1005920434179772417?s=20 ) let alone their continued failure to match NATO spending targets.
The French, well, I’m with Nelson on that one
Eyeties, never could trust them, given half a chance the inevitable is happening and they’re already veering back into Fascism
Japanese - need you ask.
Canadians - half French, so see above.
Happy?
Typically flippant response there ninfan, I must confess that I did chuckle reading it.
Eyeties, never could trust them, given half a chance the inevitable is happening and they’re already veering back into Fascism.
So you don't think that the USA is lurching towards a form of fascism?
Taking not answering the question to a new level again 😉
Trade wars are easy things to loose, especially when you have an election coming up.
What has been incredible to watch is how much he is lowering expectations of the NK talks, anything more than 10 mins before a flounce is going to be a huge success
Air Force 1 is ready and waiting
Given trump seems to measure success by whether or not he makes a deal (regardless of how shit the deal is, the point is he made a deal) anything better than Kim jong un taking full sovereign control of the US should be viewed positively
anything more than 10 mins before a flounce is going to be a huge success
Funny - a few weeks ago you reckoned Trumps cavalier approach would lead to nuclear war - now you've downgraded your prediction of disaster to the talks (which you subsequently reckoned were never actually going to happen in the first place) not lasting as long as you think they ought to...
Shall we put these talks in the same bracket as all the other things Trump was never going to achieve? You know, like how there was absolutely no way that Trump would ever run for president/stand on a republican ticket/win the primaries/get over the ‘pussygate’ scandal/actually win the election/win the electoral college/get sworn in/last more than 100 days/be accepted by other world leaders/get over the latest scandal/defeat ISIS/last more than six months/avoid starting a nuclear war with North Korea/last more than a year/build a wall/see out a full term/get re-elected*
*delete as appropriate
.... except from the first 3 pages of this thread (that I could be bothered to read) plenty of people saying that he might well win, but keep with the fake news ninfan, its working for trump & co, too
Shall we put these talks in the same bracket as all the other things Trump was never going to achieve?
What has he achieved?
Kim has got the President of the US to head to Singapore to meet him. He gas given nothing to the US and can now push to enter a long period of talking with what in return?
His actions were pushing the world to a tipping point in that region, the efforts of South Korea and getting the US out of it has helped a lot, offering them a path towards being the next Lybia was a truly amazing bit of diplomacy there
Anyway what has he actually achieved - I don't think anyone is being very generous in that respect now are they.
unsurprisingly Trump is wrong about foreign tarifs being unfair, but facts never been a problem for him
https://twitter.com/robert_falkner/status/1006072759783514113
His actions were pushing the world to a tipping point in that region, the efforts of South Korea and getting the US out of it has helped a lot, offering them a path towards being the next Lybia was a truly amazing bit of diplomacy there
http://time.com/5189072/north-korea-donald-trump-credit/
wrong about foreign tarifs being unfair,
Did you honestly just attempt to refute an allegation of 'unfairness' by deploying average figures?
What has he achieved?
Tax reform. To benefit him and his own. Do pay attention...
Did you honestly just attempt to refute an allegation of ‘unfairness’ by deploying average figures?
Well has trump provided any evidence there? Did he back up his claims or just whine in the corner?
Has he worked out who burned down the white house?
So you don’t think that the USA is lurching towards a form of fascism?
You mean the type of fascist regime where government agencies spy on the political opposition, spread malicious lies about them and leak classified documents in an attempt to undermine a democratically elected president?
oh...
Oh we have the Trump 2.2 updates in 😉
Do you think the domestic intelligence agencies should be interested in people who are meeting with foreign intelligence operatives and then lying to cover it up?
Can't see anything they have done undermines Trump or his cronies, they have all done that themselves by breaking laws and attempting to cover them up. Now we have
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/us/politics/manafort-obstruction-kilimnik-charges.html
<p class="css-1i0edl6 e2kc3sl0">WASHINGTON — After months of oblique references to an unnamed Russian associate of Paul Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign chairman, the special counsel identified the associate on Friday and charged both men with obstruction of justice.</p>
<p class="css-1i0edl6 e2kc3sl0">The associate, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, is a Russian Army-trained linguist prosecutors have accused of having ties to Russian intelligence.</p>
<p class="css-1i0edl6 e2kc3sl0">The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has not publicly sought to connect Mr. Kilimnik or Mr. Manafort to Russian meddling in the 2016 election, but Friday’s indictment of Mr. Kilimnik could carry symbolic significance nonetheless.</p>
On Friday, the special counsel’s team added to the list of charges Mr. Manafort faces, accusing him and Mr. Kilimnik of obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice for trying to coach witnesses from whom the special counsel has sought information about the Ukraine lobbying work.
He certainly picks the people who work for him very well. Perhaps if he had spent a little time vetting his staff we could have avoided all of this trouble.
and news from the reliable source in the Trump camp (no not the ketchup)
I am looking forward to seeing what kind of flounce / series of Tweets may follow on from tomorrow's meetings.
Gets a standing ovation
Wow
Hollywood types in 'not liking Trump' shocker - whats next, the revelation that they support North Korea in the forthcoming negotiations
Any other news for us Pigface? Maybe some proof of Russian collusion or perhaps the missing watersports video? Nope, thought not.
Wow
Hollywood types in ‘not liking Trump’ shocker – whats next, the revelation that they support North Korea in the forthcoming negotiations
Next? Maybe you think the FBI shouldn't be looking into illegal activity among Trump aides and mates.
I know however it's really hard to work out but there is not always 2 sides to a negotiation, one side doesn't win if you are doing it properly, the outcome is more important.
I suppose since there's no evidence Mueller is going to get sued for all those people he arrested in the course of the Russia investigation.
Who mentioned collusion or water sports? You are a bit fixated trollboy 😂
Maybe you think the FBI shouldn’t be looking into illegal activity among Trump aides and mates.
I am sure they were outspoken about the FBI investigation of Hillary. Which, oddly enough, was the one announced to the press.
I think we’ve found Zulu’s social media source for protestors chasing innocent car driving right wing nut jobs.
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You can say that again...
and a handy guide on how to de-nuclearise
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/11/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-weapons-talks.html
And if I was the NK delegation the first question would be can you lift sanctions or do I need to ask Canada and the EU too?
The image just above from Twitter is of St Georges Hall on the left and Lime Street Station on the right. Both in Liverpool.
You lot still falling for labrat's trolling?
not really it's just like a cat and a lazer pointer
You lot still falling for labrat’s trolling?
Go careful with him he is the only consistent troll left now that THM, Jambalaya and chewk have gone quiet
You mean the type of fascist regime where government agencies spy on the political opposition, spread malicious lies about them and leak classified documents in an attempt to undermine a democratically elected president?
I’m attempting to be objective and polite here by remaining on topic and engaging with you, even though our world views may or may not align.
Are you concerned about the way that Trump’s America First narrative may well be perceived as the opening volley of a trade war and potentially could destabilise the diplomatic status quo?
Do you not agree that Trump and the GOP seem to be flirting with the far right to a point that would cause alarm for a great many?
Are you concerned about the way that Trump’s America First narrative may well be perceived as the opening volley of a trade war and potentially could destabilise the diplomatic status quo?
Ah, 'may well be perceived' - would you accept that it could equally be perceived in other ways as well? As for the diplomatic status-quo - look where its got us? Its funny, we spend years going on about offshoring and the threat go multinational corporations (genocide of the starving nations) acting as a form of supranational world government, but the moment someone actually does something that might actually change things, we recoil in horror because all the vested interests and political leaders who constitute the very same establishment that gave powers to the corporations start whining and tell us that the end is nigh?
Remember that neither the Republican Party or the Democrats wanted Trump - thats your biggest clue as to whats really going on here
If you took a longer view of the success of the capitalist model requiring periodic bouts of destructive creation then Trump is about the best thing you could hope for to secure longer term success - that it is the stagnation and ossification of power within the corporate system, fully supported by the established governments, that offered the greatest threat to the system as it continually fought to suppress any real attempt at disruptive innovation.
Do you not agree that Trump and the GOP seem to be flirting with the far right to a point that would cause alarm for a great many?
Dunno, Can a party/leader be held responsible for the nutters who try and jump on the bandwagon? How concerned are you about anti-semitism in the Labour Party under Corbyn, do you think thats the party has suddenly attracted lots of Jew haters, or that it was already full of jew haters who now feel emboldened to speak out? or does it just prove there a tiny minority of people who hold those views who will always be attracted towards any collection of loons, fruits and nutters where they think they can get their foot in the door or chance their way towards getting a respectable soapbox - a bit like how the loony left attracted all sorts of dangerous causes like the animal rights extremists and the paedophile information exchange in the seventies and eighties.
Can a party leader be responsible? Of course they can and Trumps inciting his supporters to beat and physically remove people who protested at his rally’s is an example.
His refusal to condemn right wing wing supporters violence is again tantamount to approval.
Yep he has gone out of his way to apologise for them, welcome them and stoke hatred and division, he has cultivated it to suit his ends.
The signals he sends when he Pardons this bloke
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
Arpaio styled himself as "America's Toughest Sheriff".[2][3] Starting in 2005, he took an outspoken stance against illegal immigration. In 2010, he became a flashpoint for opposition to Arizona's SB1070 anti-illegal immigrant law, which was largely struck down by the Supreme Court of the United States.[4][5][6][7] Arpaio is also known for investigating former U.S. President Barack Obama's birth certificate, and, as of 2018, he continued to claim without evidence that it was forged.[8][9]
Arpaio has been accused of various types of police misconduct, including abuse of power, misuse of funds, failure to investigate sex crimes, improper clearance of cases, unlawful enforcement of immigration laws, and election law violations. A Federal court monitor was appointed to oversee his office's operations because of complaints of racial profiling. The U.S. Department of Justice concluded that Arpaio oversaw the worst pattern of racial profiling in U.S. history, and subsequently filed suit against him for unlawful discriminatory police conduct.[10][11][12][13] Arpaio's office paid more than $146 million in fees, settlements, and court awards
Then endorsing Lovable Rogue Roy Moore.
I am concerned by genuine anti antisemitism (which is not criticism of Israel) from any source, much as the highlighting of Islamophobia among the tory party needs to be addressed.
Its funny, we spend years going on about offshoring and the threat go multinational corporations (genocide of the starving nations) acting as a form of supranational world government, but the moment someone actually does something that might actually change things, we recoil in horror because all the vested interests and political leaders who constitute the very same establishment that gave powers to the corporations start whining and tell us that the end is nigh?
Well if he was doing something fundamental that might improve things then maybe people would be a bit more receptive.
The "Watch it all burn to build it back up approach" as you think is happening will destroy a lot of lives on the way down when we already have the chances to improve things as we are.
His environmental policies are enough to cause prolonged suffering to huge numbers of the population of the US let alone other parts of the world. So doing that and cutting healthcare provisions seems like a fairly shitty thing to do.
Interesting times really for the Summit, as I said previously why is Kim bothering with the US they are now trying to stand alone without the rest of the G7.
The signals he sends
Go on, are they in morse code or are they smoke signals, like what the injuns used to do?
Well if he was doing something fundamental that might improve things then maybe people would be a bit more receptive.
Like the lowest black unemployment rates on record?
Morse code, ah ninfan you're funny. Imagining Trump could use morse code when he can barely master basic English. Trump is dreadful as building walls but at burning bridges he's a master, it's going to be a long way down for him when he stops being useful.
Ah ninny,nice to see a random collection of ad hominems from you,again.
Any more interesting misquotes,truth fudging,and paranoid imaginings ?
Canadians – half French, so see above.
Well, that’s Francophone Québécois covered, what about all the other English-speaking Canadians then?
Well, that’s Francophone Québécois covered, what about all the other English-speaking Canadians then?
I think we can cover them all with a general xenophobia
There will be some foaming at the mouth of the naysayers this morning.
There will be some foaming at the mouth of the naysayers this morning
Why? How many steps nuclear disarmament have been taken so far?
American and North Korean officials worked to hammer out a joint statement the two leaders might make at the close of their talks. But it was unclear that they could do more than reach a broad, general agreement on tough questions like nuclear disarmament.
Mr. Trump told other Asian leaders he was confident about the prospects for the meeting, but the two sides may have fundamentally different understandings of some crucial issues, like “denuclearization” of the peninsula.
To American officials, that has meant Pyongyang giving up its atomic weapons program, but North Korea has suggested that it would also mean a reduction or even elimination of American arms in the region. The vast scope of North Korea’s atomic program means ending it would be the most challenging case of nuclear disarmament in history.
Live Updates: Trump and Kim Jong-un Hold Meetings in Singapore https://nyti.ms/2HD63EH
Until we see agreement I'd put that at advantage NK, well played.
Awkward manshake there this morning...
There will be some foaming at the mouth of the naysayers this morning.
yeah really disappointed kim didn't blow a white powder off his hand into trumps face, not much of a bond villain
''The names Trump, Mr Trump, no wait Mr Donald, am I Kim?'
Yeah he wouldn't be a good Bond.
Looks like they have agreed nothing new doesnt it?
Kim's face when Trump made the joke about the photographer making them look thin 😐
So a successful summit, for Trump and Kim. Trump looks forward to election success and maybe even a peace prize. Kim has boosted his statesman image. Actual change, that's down the road, deal with it later etc, is what I'm hearing from Trump.
Shitty president, historic event. Like Nixon, China. Main beneficiary was China, who is now a pain in the backside to US trade.
Fair play to Trump he managed it, now go tackle the difficult issues like the Middle East
it was a ruse, Kim is trumps new handler and he was passing on Putins latest instructions. so says my mi6 contact
<p id="story-continues-6" class="story-body-text story-content" data-para-count="210" data-total-count="2155">In the joint statement, Mr. Trump “committed to provide security guarantees” to North Korea. Mr. Kim “reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.”</p>
<p class="story-body-text story-content" data-para-count="232" data-total-count="2387">But the statement was short on details and did not lay out potential next steps or a timetable. The joint statement was not immediately released to reporters, but it was legible in a photo of Mr. Trump holding it up at the ceremony.</p>
<p class="story-body-text story-content" data-para-count="237" data-total-count="2624">The statement said the two nations would hold “follow-on negotiations” led by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and a high-level North Korean official “at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes” of the summit meeting.</p>
<p class="story-body-text story-content" data-para-count="263" data-total-count="2887">The statement also said the two nations would “join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime” on the divided Korean Peninsula, meaning talks to reduce military tensions that could eventually lead to a formal peace treaty to end the Korean War.</p>
<p data-para-count="263" data-total-count="2887"> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/world/asia/trump-kim-live-updates.html?smid=tw-share</p>
<p data-para-count="263" data-total-count="2887">Lots of nice detail there 😉 The other part from some colleagues was the number of Chinese companies very keen on setting up over the border to keep labour costs low.</p>
<p data-para-count="263" data-total-count="2887">Iran must be either kicking themselves for not getting to a bomb or trying very hard to catch up as it's a proven path to getting the US to the table.</p>
So Trump concedes to Kim for nothing more than vague promises of future behaviour. LOL what a ****ing joke, Kim has played him like a trumpet.
Kim has played him like a trumpet.
I think that might have been the other way around in the private session
Trump concedes to Kim for nothing more than vague promises of future behaviour
What has Trump conceded?
Letting NK off the naughty step and giving them a seat at the grown ups table?
What has Trump conceded?
I'd have started with his dignity but....
NK has a pathway to keep it's nuclear ability for quite a few more years and to open itself up for trade and lift sanctions.
we can start with
- <b>On military exercises with South Korea: </b>"We will be stopping the war games which will save us a tremendous amount of money... Plus I think it is very provocative."
Followed by Hook, line and sinker
- <b>On why he thinks experts are wrong about denuclearisation taking 15 years:</b>"I think whoever wrote that is wrong... There will be a point at which when you are 20 percent through you can’t go back. I had an uncle who was a great professor for, I believe, 40 years at MIT. And I used to discuss nuclear with him all the time. He was a great expert. He was a great brilliant genius."
I’d have started with his dignity but….
He didn't have any to begin with 🙂
Generally this was good timing for Kim: he's got a demonstrable (or nearly so) nuclear ICBM capability allied with a US president who is overly keen to "leave a legacy"/ "cement his place in history" or however you wish to describe Trump's ego.
Can we get on to the truly pressing issue of the day. Has anyone seen the propaganda film that Trump had produced for his little fat friend?
It is absolutely dementedly unhinged
Oh my, that is quite special.... no wonder they didn't have time to discuss any details
Dear God please tell me that is a joke
Thats what I thought when they played the sound on Five Live this morning, but its for real
International diplomacy through the medium of some shite disaster movie trailer
Blimey!
It was like a bad remake of “lose yourself” by Eminem.
LOL you'd think the voice over would be in Korean if it were meant for Kim, i'm sure he was "touched"
What has Trump conceded?
Well, he's agreed to unspecified security guarantees for the North Koreans in exchange for some deliberately vague non promises about denuclearisation at some unspecified point in the future. so, apparently now the US is protecting one of the most murderous totalitarian regimes and has agreed to reduce it's presence alongside their own allies on the peninsula.
I can imagine the howls from the Republicans had Obama negotiated such a "deal".
Oh, and remember as late as June 1st; this from Trump:
As he has been hinting over the past week, the President acknowledged on Friday that Singapore will be only “a beginning” after decades of hostility. “This is a process,” he explained. “We’re not going to sign something on June 12th.
“If my critics saw me walking over the river Thames they would only say it was because I couldn't swim”
At least she could remember what she said.... So want to let us know what he has delivered and achieved here? You know couple of details maybe?
Guffaw
as much as I dislike Trump , at least he has opened the dialogue .
Trump, in keeping with his character, is definetely a floater.