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Obama refused the raid and it was pocket vetoed what ever that means the reports suggested that trump wanted a quick military hit , remember his campaign propaganda about killing the families of terrorists , he picked a ready made off the shelf plan for speed it suited his purpose , imagine what Spicer would have said if it had succeeded Trump had the balls to do what Obama was two liberal and scared to do.
I don't see the us military pushing to expend valuable troops on vetoed plans on their own initiative.

crankboy - Member
Obama refused the raid and it was pocket vetoed what ever that means the reports suggested that trump wanted a quick military hit , remember his campaign propaganda about killing the families of terrorists , he picked a ready made off the shelf plan for speed it suited his purpose , imagine what Spicer would have said if it had succeeded Trump had the balls to do what Obama was two liberal and scared to do.
I don't see the us military pushing to expend valuable troops on vetoed plans on their own initiative.

So now we're both just spitting out conjecture. As for balls, Obama got Bin Laden as well as dropping a lot of bloody munitions on the USA's 'enemies', Trump has got a lot of work before he can call him out on being too liberal.

I think the orange one is a ****ing clown, but I also view all those desperately trying to smear him in the same light. He'll do it in his own sweet time, seems nobody has the patience to wait even though he's going nowhere for a while.

You realise what a total buffoon Trump is when you see GeorgeW back on the telly and he comes across as a Mensa candidate by comparison.....

No other person in history has ever become president of the USA without either, previously holding political office, or, being a high ranking general. If Trump is a total buffoon then that's quite an achievement.

If Trump is a total buffoon then that's quite an achievement.

His Russia statements denying that he has had no dealings during the election ar a brave move, he was cornered into that statement for very good reasons. His cast iron nobody that I know about has told me that they spoke with the Russians during the campaign is about as vague as it gets. As the mud slinger knows mud sticks, true this could be part of a very eleborate plan but so far it's a bit more Baldrick than that.

Kimbers how do we know that the Jewish cemetry was not vandalised by Left wingers angry at the number of Jews in senior positions in Trump's administration ?

Or, indeed, by Corbyn and McDonnell on a spring break road trip to Florida. Makes you think, eh?

You are tedious DrJ.

Not half as tedious as you and your endless parrotting of nonsense (*). However, what recent events have shown is that telling lies over and over and over again is not just annoying, it creates an environment where the truth becomes devalued and ends up with an impact on the value of our democracy. Which is why you are called out so often - you aren't just a twit like chewy, you are part of a worrying trend towards normalising falsehood.

(*) e.g. from Wikipedia: "In 2010 Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stated that the Charter is "a piece of history and no longer relevant, but cannot be changed for internal reasons."[14] "

Well the alternative is he is an evil genius

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Goodness gracious, ernie. A joke! About Donald Trump!

I thought the subject was too serious for humour...

Oh wait. It's Tuesday. 🙄

Has anyone actually read that article on Mercer and Bannon and co and how they are playing with the online battleground for truth.

"Sam Woolley of the Oxford Internet Institute’s computational propaganda institute tells me that one third of all traffic on Twitter before the EU referendum was automated “bots” – accounts that are programmed to look like people, to act like people, and to change the conversation, to make topics trend. And they were all for Leave. Before the US election, they were five-to-one in favour of Trump – many of them Russian."

I beginning to wonder who's real and who's a bot?

I beginning to wonder who's real and who's a bot?

chewkw is a bot for sure.

Spicer's press conference was interesting last night. He refused to say/can't say for certain that the Trump campaign was not in league with the Russians

chewkw is a bot for sure.

Could there be a test, some kind of accreditation (for everyone)before you're allowed to post nonsense on a bike forum?

ernie_lynch
No other person in history has ever become president of the USA without either, previously holding political office, or, being a high ranking general. If Trump is a total buffoon then that's quite an achievement.

No one before has jumped off the top of a skyscraper without a parachute and survived the fall either.

This is the problem with "ripping up the system" Generally 'systems' are there for a very good reason, they work, and have been proven to work over many years in a huge variety of circumstances. Whilst no system is perfect of course, and changes to those systems are advisable over time, i can't think of an actual example where completely ignoring any system has actually lead to real benefits. Hence we have a buffoon in charge of the USA now.....

I beginning to wonder who's real and who's a bot?

You can call me anytime 😉

Could there be a test, some kind of accreditation (for everyone)before you're allowed to post nonsense on a bike forum?

fake news

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-donald-trump-planted-fake-story-smear-politico-reporter-leaks-washington-examiner-a7603001.html

The child is now [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39113446 ]blaming Obama for the leaks[/url] 😀

Is his speech (sic) on TV later?

If anyone ever had any doubts about what kind of person Trump is;
"During a dinner at BLT Steakhouse in Trump’s hotel in Washington DC, he ordered a well-done steak. And alongside his expensive slab of meat, he ordered a side of ketchup."

The animal.

[url= https://www.indy100.com/article/donald-trump-well-done-steak-ketchup-twitter-outrage-white-house-disgusted-7603136?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100 ]https://www.indy100.com/article/donald-trump-well-done-steak-ketchup-twitter-outrage-white-house-disgusted-7603136?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100[/url]

Mr Woppit - Member

Goodness gracious, ernie. A joke!

Well you know me Woppit .......I mostly lack a sense of humour.

Which probably explains why I failed to understand that your post yesterday was in fact just a hilarious joke.

I look with disdain when I see right-wing simpletons, both sides of the Atlantic, resort to puerile mocking because they lack the intellectual skills to formulate coherent arguments to back up their neanderthal opinions, which invariably they've come to without having to do anything as tedious and boring as "thinking".

I don't believe political debate should be replaced with discussions on how hilariously funny the leader of the Labour Party is when he is eating a bacon sandwich dripping with oil, or how marvellous the leader of UKIP looks when he is holding a pint of beer in front of a camera. Although obviously tabloid writers/editors do.

Many would agree with me and then engage in exactly the same tactic. I owe it to myself not to be a hypocrite.

Taking the piss is a very useful political tool but only when it doesn't stray too far from politics. imho

This is the problem with "ripping up the system"

I am aware of Trump's narrative but I don't think anyone is "ripping up the system". Trump is no revolutionary.

The only thing Trump has challenged is the previously perceived wisdom that only someone who goes out of their way to portray themselves as a "nice genuine guy", and with significant political experience, can win a US presidential election.

Had Trump not acted like an odious obnoxious arsehole, claimed so much ridiculous false nonsense, and been rude and insulting to so many people, I very much doubt that he would have received more votes. In fact he almost certainly would have lost the presidential election.

And yet despite Trump's election strategy proving the overwhelming majority of pundits wrong some people are still burying him and predicting his demise, with absolute certainty, using exactly the same criteria which proved to be so spectacularly wrong.

Is his speech (sic) on TV later?

Generally live streamed on YouTube - eg RightSideNetwork (?), you might try cbs or even cnn 😉

^^^ agreed with Ernie, had Trump been more Mr Normal he would not have got elected. He behaved like a charicature in order to attract attention (and hundreds of millions of dollars worth of tv airtime). He also said things many Americans agree with.

So lets do a little on the UN. Firstly we have the post Security Council Statement by the new US Ambassador.

Then we have the reality that Trump is, imo, about to significantly cut US funding to the UN. Whenever the UN wants money for things outside its normal budget the US pays a significant amount. This is going to stop. The UN needs radical reform, its become almost non-functional and a huge waste of money. Trump is not alone, Theresa May spoke of the need for UN reform when in Washington. Trump's administration has yet to replace diplomats in Geneva where many if the UN programmes operate from. Given his speech on defernce spending and budget cuts elsewhere.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39080204

He also said things many Americans agree with.

But only because he knew what they wanted to hear. A lot of people think it's because Trump is a stupid as many of the people who voted for him.

But only because he knew what they wanted to hear. A lot of people think it's because Trump is a stupid as many of the people who voted for him.

I thought that for a while - that he's just playing the joker, cynically aware that he appeals to the lowest common denominator. Then a few speeches recently have made me doubt that. E.g.

"I’m looking at two-state and one-state and I like the one that both parties like. I’m very happy with the one that both parties like,”

"To be honest, if Bibi [Netanyahu] and the Palestinians, if Israel and the Palestinians are happy – I’m happy with the one they like the best.”

I think he is genuinely a moron. Which is worrying because a) there's a moron who has his finger on the red button and b) there's clearly a powerful figure behind him who [i]is[/i] calculated and nasty and seems to be pulling the strings. Bannon?

Looks like Trump has managed to drop below 50% in the Rasmussen poll for the first time since he was inaugurated:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_feb28

This was the poll he hailed as vindicating him because it consistently showed him doing well even when the others were not; it's been gradually dropping, weighed down by all the schadenfreude no doubt.

Of course, this polling company are pretty opaque as to how they get their results - it could be this is just them shaking down Trump.

Trump appears more and more to be a childlike figure who's just a front for the real protagonists.

I think he is genuinely a moron.

Have we done net neutrality yet? The game is nearly lost.

His presidential address to congress is in a few hours so that should make for humorous reading tomorrow, and it seems like his budget plan is [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39123281 ]not meeting with republican approval[/url].

Poor wee lamb, it's all a conspiracy against him

He'll have made some friends in the military with his 'they lost Ryan' comment today.

...just a front for the real protagonists.

It's a conspiracy?

But who needs the support of the media, the military, Congress, the FBI or the CIA? Eventually it's just going to be him and Bannon sitting on patio furniture tugging each other off and spitting in buckets.

@Superficial he's not the most eloquent but what he was saying is it's up to Palestinians and Israelis to agree (and by inference without externally imposed deals). What he was saying that was new was that it didn't have to be a two statemsokution (an inference that there need not be a Palestinian State, ie as per now only Israel with Palestinians living in PA run areas but without Israeli citizenship)

@somafunk indeed McCain thinks the military spending increase is not enough.

Speech is late 9PM Eastern

Presidential Order supporting Black colleges, I imagine that won't get much press.

What strikes me is that Ninfan and Jamby seem to be true believers in Trump. Where as most of the people I know who would have voted for him had they been American, have admitted they would have voted for him for a laugh even whilst admitting that he's an arsehole - even lefty types. What posters like Ninfan don't get, is that their hero, is a nihilistic joke for the younger people who voted for him. I actually don't mind those people and I'm even mildly tickled by the phenomena, but the people that actually believe in what he says - are deluded jerks.

https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the-skeleton-key-to-the-rise-of-trump-624e7cb798cb#.if8v0dxwp

Thus these Trump supporters hold a different sort of ideology, not one of “when will my horse come in”, but a trolling self-effacing, “I know my horse will never come in”. That is to say, younger Trump supporters know they are handing their money to someone who will never place their bets?—?only his own?—?because, after all, it’s plain as day there was never any other option.
In this sense, Trump’s incompetent, variable, and ridiculous behavior is the central pillar upon which his younger support rests.

Such an idea?—?one of utter contemptuous despair?—?is embodied in one image more than any other, one storied personage who has become a(n) hero to millions, the voice of a generation.
I am speaking, of course, of Pepe the Frog.

Welcome to the age of #diditforthelulz

The president approved a measure that will move the government’s program for promoting historically black colleges and universities, called HBCUs, from the Education Department to direct oversight by the White House.

For the sake of accuracy though I do agree it should have got greater coverage

he's not the most eloquent

It never ceases to amaze me when I hear Trump speak before an audience. He seems to spurt out words fairly randomly, and often repeating them or rearranging them for no obvious reason, and yet he seems to enthral his target audience.

It seems as if Trump says all the right words for his adoring supporters, although the fact that they are not necessarily in the right order or make much sense doesn't appear to matter.

It seems as if Trump says all the right words for his adoring supporters, although the fact that they are not necessarily in the right order or make much sense doesn't appear to matter.

Those would be the stupid people that didn't get the joke. 😀

I am aware of Trump's narrative but I don't think anyone is "ripping up the system". Trump is no revolutionary.

The only thing Trump has challenged is the previously perceived wisdom that only someone who goes out of their way to portray themselves as a "nice genuine guy", and with significant political experience, can win a US presidential election.

[b]he's not the most eloquent but what he was saying is[/b] it's up to Palestinians and Israelis to agree (and by inference without externally imposed deals). What he was saying that was new was that it didn't have to be a two statemsokution (an inference that there need not be a Palestinian State, ie as per now only Israel with Palestinians living in PA run areas but without Israeli citizenship)

Lets try health..
From the campaign lit

However, it is not enough to simply repeal this terrible legislation. We will
work with Congress to make sure we have a series of reforms ready for
implementation that follow free market principles and that will restore
economic freedom and certainty to everyone in this country. By following free
market principles and working together to create sound public policy that will
broaden healthcare access, make healthcare more affordable and improve
the quality of the care available to all Americans.

"We have come up with a solution that's really, really I think very good," Trump said at a meeting of the nation's governors at the White House.
"Now, I have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject," he added. "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."

They are a classic opposition in government at the moment, all they can do is blame others and complain where what they really need to be looking at is what they can do.

Oh and this one could make for an interesting few months
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/28/us/politics/white-house-barring-reporters-from-briefings.html

WASHINGTON — A ruling issued on Monday by a federal judge in Manhattan, in a case brought by a freelance journalist without a lawyer, may interest the White House. The judge said that the New York Police Department may have violated the First Amendment by revoking the press credentials of the journalist, Jason B. Nicholas.

The ruling was preliminary, and the Police Department said it had legitimate reasons for its actions. But Judge J. Paul Oetken’s decision was timely, following as it did the exclusion of several news organizations from a Friday briefing at the White House.

“It has been held impermissible,” Judge Oetken wrote, “to exclude a single television news network from live coverage of mayoral candidates’ headquarters and to withhold White House press passes in a content-based or arbitrary fashion.”

I assume all those who so rabidly defend the 2nd ammendment will get right behind the rights of people to report and not be excluded because they appear to disagree with the leadership.

and just to add as Trump lays out his best teleprompter speach to date 😉
A simple summary

Jennifer Steinhauer
Congressional Correspondent

9:49 PM ET
To Carl’s point, this speech seems to underscore the dichotomy of Trump. Big ideas, small details. A call for unity, met later with partisan, and often personal slaps that undermine that goal. Free trade is good, but so is protectionism. He confuses people, especially in his own party.

Maggie Haberman
White House Correspondent

9:51 PM ET
Jennifer, that is dead on, and something he did for a year in the campaign. People would walk away from his words hearing whatever they wanted to hear.
This speech is much tighter.

The UN needs radical reform, its become almost non-functional and a huge waste of money.

#Jambalies straight from the mouth of his hero

http://usuncut.com/news/trump-just-insulted-un-response/

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