Private briefing = members of the press corps who won't ask awkward questions about the administration's lies, oops I mean alternative facts
Yes. It's one point. About something you claimed that doesn't make any sense, given that the opposite is plainly the case.
Do you always find it hard to focus on detail?
You seem like the sort of person who is happy with simple explanations for complicated problems. Which never work due to their inherent inadequacy.
Pretty much like the typical Trump supporter, from what I've seen.
Must be difficult for you.
I do wonder how much the Trump administration believes their own words. Do they actually believe the press is making up 'facts' about them? I'm not sure what would be scarier - an administration that is blatantly lying in a brain washing of the nation's dribblers or one that believes its own bullshit.
goooooooaaaaalllll! 😆
Yes, so you said.
Care to post another ridiculous claim so that I can point out your wilfull stupidity?
must. get. final. word! 😆
I quite understand.
Go on, then. Doubt it will be worth much.
😆
I do wonder how much the Trump administration believes their own words.
I have no doubt at all that Trump doesn't believe in the slightest much of what he spouts. Conspiracy theories are incredibly powerful, they are inherently resilient to facts which might otherwise undermine them.
Trump knows this and has based much of his core arguments on conspiracy theories which people will continue to believe no matter how powerful the counterarguments.
Trump for years was a leading advocate of the "birther theory", it automatically made him the champion of a sizeable chunk of American public opinion. Of course he knew it was complete bollocks, he's not stupid, but it did him absolutely no harm at all when it was eventually exposed as such.
If you watch some of the youtube clips from US TV they seem quite (some very) stupid. So may well believe the BS.
[url= https://theintercept.com/2017/02/25/fox-news-interview-fake-expert-sweden-baffles-swedes/ ]more fake swedish news [/url]
I would disagree with you Earnie - I think Trump believes every word he says. In his own mind he cannot be wrong. therefore if the press say he is wrong they must be telling lies
President Trump is doing the right thing by banning some of the twisted media.
I mean why let the media have a good time. Hammer them hard. Hear the media squeal with their fork tongues and twisted facts. 😆
[quote=aracer > http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds
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Nice link I liked this bit most
Sloman and Fernbach cite a survey conducted in 2014, not long after Russia annexed the Ukrainian territory of Crimea. Respondents were asked how they thought the U.S. should react, and also whether they could identify Ukraine on a map. The farther off base they were about the geography, the more likely they were to favor military intervention. (Respondents were so unsure of Ukraine’s location that the median guess was wrong by eighteen hundred miles, roughly the distance from Kiev to Madrid.)
Oh ya remember Alex Salmond? This one sounds familiar ...
[url= http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/telegraph-mail-and-express-journalists-barred-alex-salmonds-resignation-press-conference/ ][b]Telegraph, Mail and Express journalists 'barred' from Alex Salmond's resignation press conference[/b][/url]
They are all at it innit ... 😆
This warmed the cockles of my heart :
[b][i]"Instead, the public outrage at Trump has sunk those relations to their lowest point in decades. It has inspired a campaign to boycott U.S. chains such as Starbucks and buy “Made in Mexico” products. Protesters marched in a dozen cities this month, carrying grotesque effigies of the American president. And Trump’s taunts have buoyed the poll numbers of 2018 presidential contender Andrés Manuel López Obrador, the left-wing populist Mexicans see as the figure most likely to fight back".[/i][/b]
Genuine question, how many people have decided not to visit America while bawbags is in charge? I know I'm not going and a trip was being considered. Tourist sites have noticed a downturn in bookings and enquiries already which is going to cost America billions and quite a few jobs.
[quote=Junkyard ]Nice link I liked this bit most
I'm disappointed, I was expecting you to like:
There was little advantage in reasoning clearly, while much was to be gained from winning arguments.
I haven't been following this thread but seriously, are there still people on here who think Trump is ok?!?
not many, plenty that don't really understand the consequences of democracy though, or how you go about changing results you don't like.
[quote=aracer ]
There was little advantage in reasoning clearly, while much was to be gained from winning arguments.
I try to avoid both of those 😉
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On a side-note, it's good to see the real chekwk back. Can't be long till we're back in the comforting times of zombie maggots.
seriously, are there still people on here who think Trump is ok?!?
Trollingly? Yes.
Seriously? I'm still wrangling with that one.
I thought the troll(s?) were banned? A shame he's /they're back, I was beginning to enjoy this thread. Perhaps if everyone just ignores him/them.
ernie_lynch
This warmed the cockles of my heart :"Instead, the public outrage at Trump has sunk those relations to their lowest point in decades. It has inspired a campaign to boycott U.S. chains such as Starbucks and buy “Made in Mexico” products. Protesters marched in a dozen cities this month, carrying grotesque effigies of the American president. And Trump’s taunts have buoyed the poll numbers of 2018 presidential contender Andrés Manuel López Obrador, the left-wing populist Mexicans see as the figure most likely to fight back".
And this is what we saw at the start of the WW2, nations becoming introvert, selfish and yet more pugilistic, where the "we are right, we deserve more" attitude pervades, and instead of listening to others, there's lots of rhetoric, that eventually overflows into violence because their leaders can't back down from their selfish stance.
I think there is a good chance that Trump will not only fail to make the USA 'great again' but also cause long term political problems with countries far and wide that take decades to sort out........
and a lot of the causes of WW1 were due to militarization and posturing as to who would be the biggest player on the world stage
Trump will build up the armed forces and ramp up the tensions - no not russia they get apass for some reason - but with China
IMHO Trump will want a conventional war he wont want to risk a nuclear one as thankfully someone important explained to him how bad it was
just like Dubyer than! 😉
maxtorque - MemberAnd this is what we saw at the start of the WW2
I wouldn't worry too much about Mexico declaring war on the United States and the next world war kicking off.
And if it's avoiding a world war which preoccupies you then I would suggest that you breathe a huge sigh of relief that Hillary Clinton isn't US president.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/25/hillary-clinton-syria-no-fly-zones-russia-us-war ]Why Clinton's plans for no-fly zones in Syria could provoke US-Russia conflict[/url]
[i]"Retired senior US military pilots are increasingly alarmed that Hillary Clinton’s proposal for “no-fly zones” in Syria could lead to a military confrontation with Russia that could escalate to levels that were previously unthinkable in the post-cold war world."[/i]
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/could-hillary-start-a-world-war-sure-as-hell-she-could-and-here-s-how-a7379051.html ]Could Hillary Clinton start a world war? Sure as hell she could – and here’s how[/url]
[i]"The nearest the world has ever come to destruction has been the 13 days the world held its breath during the Cuba missile crisis of 1962: climate change has nothing on that little episode for scariness.
Something like the Cuba crisis could happen again under President Hilary Clinton; one can see her issuing unenforceable ultimatums on Putin because his proxies have grabbed some bit of territory in the Caucasus most of us haven’t heard of."[/i]
Fake news, Ernie. All fake.
Good news ernie Trump found a way to be friends with Russia...
Despite those 2 opinion pieces I'd still feel much safer with Clinton in the White House.
and perhaps an insight into how Trump/Bannon would like to regulate the press coming to the US
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-26/what-to-expect-when-applying-for-russian-visa-as-journalist/8304892
I'm not sure why anyone would feel safer with a proven warmonger.
I guess it probably boils down to some people seeing things in very black and white terms, it's simply too complicated to entertain the thought that not absolutely everything about Donald Trump might be bad. Life is so much simpler when you banish awkward possibilities such as that.
not absolutely everything about Donald Trump might be bad
Please give examples.
What do you know about Trump? He has no interest in the ROW but wants to kill IS badly and hugly
He provoked China on day 1
He is strangely very very relaxed about Russia
What we do know about Trump is he is a walking contradiction who will do anything he wants to get something he wants, a nice little war would go a long way.
You do seem like a broken record on Clinton the Warmonger thing but thats your thing.
Life is so much simpler when you banish awkward possibilities such as that.
I'll await something from Trump that we can class as good, so far we have had racism, misogyny, removal of freedoms and rights, attacks on the media and unconstitutional executive orders.
Please give examples.
No I don't think I'll bother, like the Corbyn and EU threads Donald Trump isn't a subject that you can have a sensible debate on here.
Clinton is a proven extreme hawk who aggressively pushed for US military action overseas but it's "my thing".
mikewsmith wants to ignore awkward stuff like [url= http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/17/news/companies/trump-china-trademark/ ]this[/url] when he wants to claim "He provoked China on day 1"
And I haven't even mentioned that if Trump goes the situation will be dramatically worse because Mike Pence will take over - no one will be laughing then.
I'll let you carry on with the simple safe narrative that everything about the Trump presidency is bad for humanity, it makes no difference to me and I've got other ways that I can waste my time.
Can we stop using Clinton as an excuse for Trump. CLINTON ISN'T PRESIDENT. There i've put it in bigly letters to try to get this through to the hard of thinking. Trump is President, what he does, or doesn't do is what is important now, so please stop trying to use Clinton as a (poor) excuse!
Can we stop using Clinton as an excuse for Trump. CLINTON ISN'T PRESIDENT. There i've put it in bigly letters to try to get this through to the hard of thinking. Trump is President, what he does, or doesn't do is what is important now, so please stop trying to use Clinton as a (poor) excuse!
But, but, but.... her emails. 😀
A facinating article in the Observer this morning. And scary.
Well worth reading whatever your particular approach to trump et al.
A brief version here:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/us-billionaire-mercer-helped-back-brexit
The full article is astonishing
What's worrying me is that Trump is now effectively a tool of Hamas, as we learned a while ago from a prominent STW contributor who stated:
The two state solution is dead, the Palestinians wanted to literally kill it off and they've succeeded.
I love the fact that this spoof website is annoying so many Trump supporters.
http://www.hillarybeattrump.org/
Russia talk is FAKE NEWS put out by the Dems, and played up by the media, in order to mask the big election defeat and the illegal leaks!
And hes back to tweeting.. the old one are always worth repeating.
No I don't think I'll bother, like the Corbyn and EU threads Donald Trump isn't a subject that you can have a sensible debate on here.
I think you will find because there isn't any.
mikewsmith wants to ignore awkward stuff like this when he wants to claim "He provoked China on day 1"
Honestly not seen that but it makes things even worse, with regard to foreign governments, Trump businesses etc. I guess the Taiwan thing was his unique thought that he can play all the people all of the time.
How do you think his Iran and Israel policy will play out? Nice and simple or likely to end in blood shed?
@jim what on earth is extraordinary about that ? UK billionaire develops sohpisticated technology to target advertising, rents its to Trump for £5m and donates it to Farage / unofficial Leave campaign as he is a Brexiteer ?
Re the nature of the Private Briefing it was, unlike the public ones, not televised and "off the record". They are (I understand) standard practice. What was unusual is that the major networks would all have expected to have been invited.
DrJ Trump a tool of Hamas ? Hardly. Both Hamas and Fatah are interested in a 1 state solution. Abbas plays the two-state game as its the only way he gets the $500m pa funding from the US. In practice Fatah are only interested in a single state solution, that being Palestine "from the river to the sea". Anyway Trump's single state option is Israel only. He also made it clear he supported a two-state solution if thats what both parties wanted.
Jamba, I suggest you read the whole extended article before brushing it off as acceptable. It is quite long so persevere to the end to gain the full flavour
Just in case you don't here is a small section:
Could you reverse engineer the national, or even the global, mood? Model it, and then change it?“It does seem possible. And it does worry me. There are quite a few pieces of research that show if you repeat something often enough, people start involuntarily to believe it. And that could be leveraged, or weaponised for propaganda. We know there are thousands of automated bots out there that are trying to do just that.”
THE war of the bots is one of the wilder and weirder aspects of the elections of 2016. At the Oxford Internet Institute’s Unit for Computational Propaganda, its director, Phil Howard, and director of research, Sam Woolley, show me all the ways public opinion can be massaged and manipulated. But is there a smoking gun, I ask them, evidence of who is doing this? “There’s not a smoking gun,” says Howard. “There are smoking machine guns. There are multiple pieces of evidence.”
“Look at this,” he says and shows me how, before the US election, hundreds upon hundreds of websites were set up to blast out just a few links, articles that were all pro-Trump. “This is being done by people who understand information structure, who are bulk buying domain names and then using automation to blast out a certain message. To make Trump look like he’s a consensus.
And then you might wish to reflect on how you may have been manipulated via social media?
Jimw there have been a few people looking at this:
[url= https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/how-our-likes-helped-trump-win ]The people search engine[/url]
[url= https://medium.com/join-scout/the-rise-of-the-weaponized-ai-propaganda-machine-86dac61668b#.285qv8n8f ]The weaponised AI propoganda machine[/url]
[url= https://medium.com/@pdehaye/microtargeting-of-low-information-voters-6eb2520cd473#.z7yex9rim ]Low information voters[/url]
The creator:
To him, the internet had always seemed like a gift from heaven. What he really wanted was to give something back, to share. Data can be copied, so why shouldn't everyone benefit from it? It was the spirit of a whole generation, the beginning of a new era that transcended the limitations of the physical world.[b] But what would happen, wondered Kosinski, if someone abused his people search engine to manipulate people? He began to add warnings to most of his scientific work. His approach, he warned, "could pose a threat to an individual's well-being, freedom, or even life."[/b] But no one seemed to grasp what he meant.
It's not 'targeted advertising' and Mercer didn't create it he retooled it.
Jim I can't read the Observer article.
Just waiting for the Hollywood Oscar luvies to let The Donald have both barrels
Trump's speech to The Senate this week will focus on his tax proposals
