[Closed] Donald! Trump!

and to be honest the Russia story isn't going away
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

The moral of that story is that you probably shouldn't piss off your own country's intelligence agencies.

I'm on record as a supporter, but I would argue that the protests and character attacks have achieved nothing, whereas the only effective damage has been caused by really traditional, old fashioned leaking and well structured and calm/clinical Court action (whether it subsequently holds up or not)

The court cases are helped by the mass calling out of his idiocy

& These leaks are happening because of his tantrums & the ridicule they receive

He used his address at the CIA rather than to build desperately needed bridges with the agencies hed been attacking
Instead choosing to rant about unfair meedia coverage of his crowd size, even bussing in his own supporters to show people applauding for the cameras. All of this self-indulgent whining done in front of the memorial to all the CIA agents who had died on duty

And what the trumpers dont realise is that the celebrity snubs and global outrage are hurting the GOP

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/316873-gop-huge-influx-of-donations-after-trumps-inauguration-didnt-materialize

their traditional big money donors are nervous
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gop-donor-ana-navarro-fully-investigate-trump-russia/article/2614745

Michael moore has been happily pointing this out - hes damaging the Reps & they will be weighing all this up when that 1st impeachment vote comes....

The ones I've spoken do realise it, but they are willing to put up with Amatuer hour, they are willing to put up with Russian links, they are willing to put up with Anything to stop the spread of Islamic culture.

Trump's always had a rocky relationship with intelligence.

Distracted by cat, nothing to see here.

Distracted by cat, nothing to see here

Distracted by cat, nothing to see here.

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It was the best cat ever though, no seriously you should see this cat it's amazing. But I can't show it to you. Also it might be a Russian cat.

Actually it wasn't a cat, I never saw a cat. I'll need to look into it.

You do have to wonder whether Trump's constant efforts to discredit the NYT among his supporters over recent weeks might have something to do with their sniffing around this particular issue.

I think I'll wait to see what Infowars and Breitbart have to say on the story before I make my mind up.

I think I'll wait to see what Infowars and Breitbart have to say on the story before I make my mind up.

I know your answer is tongue-in-cheek, but it's exactly why Trump supporters won't be moved by these "revelations" at all. They're getting their news from sources that are sympathetic to, or controlled directly by, the Trump/Republican administration. (as is Trump himself). The NYT can do as much reportage as it likes...no one is paying attention.

How are breitbart/infowars fox spinning the Flynn thing then ?

That is the strategy though. Divert people to alternative news sources, continually attack the mainstream media.

Last Week Tonight did a bit on the vicious circle of Drumpf's own news consumption, his promotion of those sources, his supporters quoting the 'facts' back, and then his use of his supporters belief in them to bolster his own.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/14/russia-new-york-times-classified-info-says-trump-aides-spoke-russian-intelligence/

Nothing to see here, look at this cat.

Fox (I had to use pron mode to look)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/15/trump-reportedly-kept-pence-in-dark-about-flynns-russian-phone-calls.html
Shielding pence dropping dt in it.
That and nasty leakers
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/14/trump-gop-lawmakers-eye-illegal-leaks-in-wake-flynn-resignation.html

nickc - Member

I know your answer is tongue-in-cheek, but it's exactly why Trump supporters won't be moved by these "revelations" at all. They're getting their news from sources that are sympathetic to, or controlled directly by, the Trump/Republican administration. (as is Trump himself).

I think this is overegged tbh. Yes there's a hard core of peple using alt-terrorists like Breitbart but the actual reach isn small. In terms of web traffic they're way, way down on CNN, Fox, NYT, Washington Post. And a good 10% of their traffic is referrals from Reddit, which will be mostly people like me tapping the glass.

There's definitely a hardcore there but while it's enough to count in an election it's a minority of Trump's vote. Fox for all their right wing mentalness are in a different league, and while they've got a serious reach and clout it's still not omnipresent. (Fox have had some pretty harsh content on Trump's omnishambles- I think if you have any pretence to being news, it's hard not to)

The other thing is, some of these allegations- links to russia, government corruption, infringement on the constitution- are bread and butter for these sorts of people. It remains to be seen how far Trump can do that before the cognitave dissonance really kicks off. Cold Dead Hands people and other constitutional fundamentalists don't like any sort of intrusion on that frinstance.

The NYT can do as much reportage as it likes...no one is paying attention.

Also it was the 'failing' NYT and especially Wash Po that pursued the Flynn story and brought him down.

We were being told that trump would be sidelining the MSM.... It seems that they are now taking out his inner circle.

Who's next- Spicer, Conway, Miller Preibus?

Got to be Conway, both sides calling for her head on some very simple this rules.

Please, not the sphincter. He's too entertaining. Kellyanne is looking considerably more raddled than she was at the start of the campaign, so I'm guessing they've got something on her. Either that or her blood products are being harvested to keep the Donald alive.

Oh and a note for poor little Ivanka, if who your Daddy is got you the gig don't get upset when he causes it to go away...
They don't need much on Kellyanne she is finished anyway with the endorsement even if the bowling green should have got her.

Guess would be the inner circle? can we call them the inner ring? want Priebus out

martinhutch - Member
Last Week Tonight

While I agree with the comments on brietbart and infowars and people getting their news from narrow/non traditional news outlets. The same is clearly true for a large part of the "left" imo. It's patently obvious a lot of people only get their news from the likes of John Oliver.

Now While I enjoy his shows, I can separate it from news. i'm not sure a lot of people can! Something I feel people need to recognise.

The entertainment/news lines is heavily blurred on all sides.

The entertainment/news lines is heavily blurred on all sides.

when youve got a reality tv celebrity for a president prone to tantrums over the most inane things what do you expect!

farage, the referendum, delusional brexiteers, trump..... as Armando Iannucci said

“I now find the political landscape so alien and awful that it’s hard to match the waves of cynicism it transmits on its own. - Fiction is winning out because fact is no longer making sense.”

Id also take john oliver's factual accuracy over that of breitbart or infowars!

well if your sides are not splitting...

The New York Times published a story Tuesday evening claiming anonymous “aides” on President Donald Trump’s campaign had contact with Russian intelligence, citing classified information supplied by “four current and former American officials.”
Oddly, the Times reports that these officials concluded that there was “no evidence” they had seen that the “Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.” So there would seem to be no story.

However, the anonymous officials were reportedly alarmed by the “amount of contact that was occurring while Mr. Trump was speaking glowingly about the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin.” The Times does not report who initiated the contact.

The Times misreports at least one key piece of evidence. It claims: “At one point last summer, Mr. Trump said at a campaign event that he hoped Russian intelligence services had stolen Hillary Clinton’s emails and would make them public.”

That is not true: the “campaign event” was a press conference, and Trump’s comment was clearly a joke, as Breitbart News reported at the time — though that did not stop the media and the Hillary Clinton campaign from trying to make it a campaign issue.

Just seen an ad for Hannity on Fox where he said Trumps approval rating is climbing, tried to do some research and can not find anything to corroborate this.

I know Hannity is a scumbag IMO but this seems a stretch even for him.

I know Hannity is a scumbag IMO but this seems a stretch even for him.

[url= http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx ]heres the gallup daily [/url] 😀

That Gallup poll doesn't include reaction to Flynn's resignation yet either

Cheers Klunk that is what I found as well. I swear we are all doomed

[url= http://www.gallup.com/interactives/185273/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx?g_source=WWWV7HP&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles ]he's still got a way to go to hit GWs low of 25%[/url] but to be so low so early in the administration is really "unusual!"

but to be so low so early in the administration is really "unusual!"

Does it make any difference other than a warm fuzzy feeling for the democrats though?

All the polls in the world don't stop him being president

On his state visit with the Queen, Donald Trump expresses his desire to change the status of American to that of an Empire. The queen says that to achieve that, they'd need an emperor in charge, so it isn't possible.
"How about a Kingdom?", Trump asks. "No, you'd need a king"
"A Principality?" "No, Donald, you'd need a prince."
After a moment's thought, the Queen adds: "Considering the current situation, it'd be much better suited as a country".

You're really tiresome ninfan, you know that, right?

ah he is back on form!! you were wavering in your support earlier ninfan.

What about the nice little calls to the FSB?

Who's next for the high jump? Conway?

All the polls in the world don't stop him being president

Yes we had noticed he was president

Fortunately the Reps not feeling too fuzzy about those polls, so when they have to vote on that impeachment..... 😛

aren't we due a new travel ban exec order. Or is that on the back burner for now ? 😕

Fortunately the Reps not feeling too fuzzy about those polls,

Ah, the same reps who were all disowning him when they thought he was going to lose?

It's a bit like being bothered about the polls when the polls all got that wrong too.

Not only are you living in impeachment fantasy land, but you're forgetting what the result would be - take a look at the possibility Mike Pence's policies and you'll really shudder.

Ah, the same reps who were all disowning him when they thought he was going to lose?

Not only are you living in impeachment fantasy land, but you're forgetting what the result would be - take a look at the possibility Mike Pence's policies and you'll really shudder.

aren't we due a new travel ban exec order. Or is that on the back burner for now ?

[quote=mikewsmith ]I would say the people who belived his BS are realising it was just that.

How many Trump supporters/voters do you know?

I wouldn't say I "know" any, but I see comments from quite a few on FB, and unless these people are completely unrepresentative then they are a way off realising it is BS. TBH I'm not quite sure what will result in that realisation - his support appears to be more religious than rational (appropriately, given that a lot of his support comes from so-called Christians).

I suppose we could always try and get an answer from our resident Trump supporters...

The people who were promised jobs, those that were promised action, any coal mines getting opened?

Oh and his approvals are falling

The news never gets as exciting as this!!!! 🙂

[quote=ninfan ]I'm on record as a supporter, but I would argue that the protests and character attacks have achieved nothing, whereas the only effective damage has been caused by really traditional, old fashioned leaking and well structured and calm/clinical Court action (whether it subsequently holds up or not)

You're an apparently rational man - you talk a lot of sense on some other threads (and I enjoyed your moon landings joke up there - it was a joke wasn't it?) So you can surely see through the BS to what the man really is doing. Can you rationally explain why you are still a supporter?

(bonus points if as somebody who appears to be quite into the outdoors you can explain why his wholesale dismantling of the EPA and environmental regulation is a good thing)

I wouldn't say I "know" any, but I see comments from quite a few on FB, and unless these people are completely unrepresentative then they are a way off realising it is BS.

I suspect that they are quite unrepresentative - silent majority and all that. Trump's core support isn't enough to get him elected.

It looks like all the fake news and the opponents of President Trump are at it again by trying to destroy President Trump attempts to rebuild relationship with Russia.

The reason is simple because the opponents simply cannot accept the fact that there will be peace established between USA & Russia, especially from someone who "grabs" others' body part. They really cannot imagine that.
These people simply cannot imagine having their concept of bogeyman (Russia aggressor etc) destroyed because that will make their (irrelevant) values redundant. 😛

And chewy is back in the room 🙄