Islam is not a race, being anti Islam doesn't infer racism ...i can convert to Islam tomorrow, does my race change to?If people want to get all shouty and offended because he retweeted anti Islam videos fair enough but let's stop desperately trying to equate a religion to a race in order to make it all seem so much more outrageous
Oh gosh, where to start.....
Trump is a prime example of the flaws in democracy. As with brexit, stupid ignorant people get a vote!
Although trumps election is considerably less justifiable than brexit... And I say that through gritted teeth..
Junkyard - lazarus
I think that is the best view to have as its not even about politics. He is just a petulant man child with odious morals, dubious ethics
Sums him (Trump) up to be honest.
What is there to defend about this man? I don't get it?
Start away....and no I obviously know Britain First are a racist organization and want nothing to do with them.
But I hate the wholesale media, political and celebrity equation with anti Islam sentiment as 'racism'....
....as I said, I can convert to Islam tomorrow, does that change my race?
Obviously not.
Islam is not a race, having a problem with certain aspects of militant Islam like FGM, the testimony of a woman worth half that of a man, general subjugation of women in some predominantly Islam countries, sharia law etc is not racist and I cannot fathom why supposed feminists aren't targeting the more barbaric elements of this religion!?....seems fear of being (wrongly) labeled racist because of criticism of a religion is silencing so many people.
Jews are a race but I can convert to that tomorrow so the reality is race and religion do merge/get conflated . Furthermore the its not a race is generally just an argument used by racists to defend their racism as even they know they cannot openly admit to being racist.
Personally i prefer to view race as a cultural identity and clearly that can change- Islam is one, Jew , Gypsy, Christian etc
Out of interet what term is ok to use for a hate filled islamphobe if not racist?
Must be why there is so little vilification of islam on here and in the press by say high profile leaders of say the USA 🙄seems fear of being (wrongly) labeled racist because of criticism of a religion is silencing so many people.
Facepalm goes here
I would describe myself as being anti militant Islamist.
In other words the religion is fine but I have a problem with the Manchester bomber and the 7/7 killings, I have a problem with subjugation of women, I have a problem with FGM, I have a problem with denying education to women based on religion, I have a problem with sharia law, I have a problem with some of its hostility to homosexuality, I have a problem with Isis trying to create a Muslim caliphate through existing middle east countries using violence etc....it's not an enlightened religion and in so many ways it makes itself a figure for fun.
WHo isnt? The problem is you are trying to defend racist because you object to the same things anyone reasonable objects to
DO you think these are the reasons the Britain first objects to them?
oh and thanks for repeating your view without addressing anything i said 🙄
I have no interest in Britain First, until this week I hadn't heard of them.
But if most right thinking people are as concerned about the shameful things some elements of Islam do then why is the mainstream news not full of it?....why aren't feminists up in arms about the treatment of millions of women under Islam?....could it be they're scared of being called racists?...i think so.
Because Christianity is almost as bad, but when those of us who are sane or the media state that - we get patriotic right thinking bellends getting offended who go on to claim that it's only Christians who are persecuted for their beliefs. It's not fair to criticise one and not the other.
Trump is not racist, Islam is a (bad) life choice and not racial. Jonathan Pie spouting nonsense about skin colour is a incredibly silly.
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Trump is not racist
Yes, thats why he keeps calling Warren Pocahontas, he is also backing somebody facing sex offence charges with minors for election. Morally bankrupt.
I have a problem with radical christian terrorists like the IRA. Am I racist?
Why do people fall into Trumps Twitter traps? Fraser Nelson in the Torygraph has a good article today on how Trump (ab)uses Twitter to his advantage and his opponents fall for it on a daily basis
He may be odious but he has caught the RoW by the short and curlier at the moment. They can’t ignore his posts - a bit like jive and 9/11!!!
I have a problem with radical christian terrorists like the IRA. Am I racist?
Nope. However you are if you stop all people from Northern Ireland coming into your country based on it or you are happy to continually say that all christians are terrorists
I don't really GAS about the definition of racism, but I do know that Trump is legitimising racists and their beliefs, which he should be held to account for.
And today...
[i]"A disgraceful verdict in the Kate Steinle case! No wonder the people of our Country are so angry with Illegal Immigration."[/i]
Blooming trial by jury eh? No need to wonder what evidence the jury saw to reject charges involuntary manslaughter and first-degree murder. The man was clearly [s]Mexican[/s] guilty!
https://news.sky.com/story/mexican-not-guilty-in-kate-steinle-shooting-case-used-by-trump-11150896
Don't really follow all of his blatherings on Twitter ...
I have no interest in Britain First, until this week I hadn't heard of them.
You don't know what he tweeted or who Britain First are, but you still feel qualified to comment? Aaaah STW. 😆
having a problem with certain aspects of militant Islam like FGM
educate yourself;
According to UNICEF: the practice of FGM is mostly limited to central Africa. It’s not common in Morocco or Algeria or Libya or Saudi Arabia or Oman or Jordan or Syria or Iran. Basically, it’s concentrated in a small swath of states in western Africa and another swath of states along the Red Sea. With the exception of a handful of countries, only a small percentage of women who undergo FGM believe the practice is required by religion. Sraph showing which religion most countries practice FGM, note how the "other Christian and Catholic" combined would run Muslim pretty close in most countries.
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Basically, FGM is a practice limited to certain parts of Sub-Saharan Africa—and although it’s more common among Muslims than other religions, Christians are pretty close in most countries. As for Britain, its FGM problem is more due to where their African immigrants come from than it is to Islam per se, and it certainly has no "Extremist Islamic" aspect.
given you said this on the other threadBut if most right thinking people are as concerned about the shameful things some elements of Islam do then why is the mainstream news not full of it?
I assume you wont think its not covered till they are hate filled bigots like yourself not prepared to live next door to someone not like you.I can buy my own space and not have to interact with them[immigrants]
I assume feminists are used to abuse , mainly from those on the right, so the idea that liberal snowflakes stop them speaking out, due to the massive level of fear we generate, is frankly paranoid bollocks and total gibberish..could it be they're scared of being called racists?...i think so.
Only if you are the yardstick by which we measure it - You think he is a bit of a liberal dont you.Trump is not racist
Flynn being charged.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/362744-special-counsel-to-charge-flynn-with-false-statements
No comment about whether or not he's been flipped; I wouldn't bet against it.
that is surely a coincidence that Trump has just spent the last few days firing off contraversial tweets 😆
and hes entered a plea deal to the lesser charge of 'making false statements to the FBI' which means hes struck a deal 😆
no wonder trump has gone extra bonkers crazy this week, he knows flynn has the dirt!
This doesn't make sense. I have it from a very high authority that Flynn is a 'very good person'. 🙂
the person who said that never met this minor official 😉
Scumbag Mnuchin under investigation for either lying about existence of an analysis of the tax proposal or withholding it because he's lied about it's conclusions.
Flynn has said he was instructed to contact russian officials by a trump senior transition team member in 2016.
Per Boston Globe - will post link later.
Getting closer to the odious one.
aye it looks like the truth we have known for some while is about to come out
I suppose his defence now is that Flynn admitted to lying so why believe him now
i wonder if he has a smoking gun to prove anything ?
JUST IN: @BrianRoss on @ABC News Special Report: Michael Flynn promised "full cooperation to the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians." https://t.co/aiagnvr8eS https://t.co/r8u2LWAd0O
That's hilarious if true,
Trump will be having a massive tantrum then !
+ Sinking deeper into his conspiracy theory/infowars/alt-right alternative reality.
It will be Hilary’s fault
It will be Hilary’s fault 😀
It's going to be great.
its definitely serious as he has not tweeted yet
That's probably because he's bounced his phone off a junior staffers head in anger at flynn turning on him
I suspect the grown ups with law degrees have taken it off him.
This is genius
This is genius
Awaits the follow up - Burning Down the (White) House
What was that Trump said to Comey before he fired him..?
oh yeah, I remember, [i]“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Comey quoted Trump as saying. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”[/i]
uh huh...
uh huh...
Fake news. Clearly Flynn is a one time volunteer who never had anything to do with his orangeness.
Anyway what about Hillary? Why not investigate her?
Sad
Looking at the latest news that is actually worryingly close.
They are trying "“former Obama administration official" line.
North Korea might get both barrels. trumps running out of dark allys to sulk down.
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Apparently Kushner is the 'senior transition team official' who instructed Flynn, according to (failing) CNN.
And let's remind ourself of this magic moment from the RNC.
I reckon Trump will throw kushner & possibly trump jr? under the bus
Wonder what the Reps are thinking about this, held hostage by their breitbart/tea party base, they have to show loyalty to the orange one, up to what point?
Given the ones that are breaking ranks already some bad mid term polls might force them, if the don't win in alabama it could be a sign
Who will Ivanka stand with?
Obstruction of justice charge on its way for trumpy?
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/us/politics/trump-russia-senate-intel.html?referer=
Polls have them 15-20 points behind the Dems
Bannon has fractured their core vote, but he's playing the long game.
Also bannon was met with Mogg & Farage in London this week!
I don't think that constitutes obstruction of justice. Just a bloke who doesn't even know how the government works.
Let's see what Papadopoulos and Flynn have dished out.
I have the feeling the Kimbers of this world are going to be disappointed.
Normal rules do not apply at the moment.
I have little doubt that Kushner would welcome the chance to escape from the WH even though his flagship NYC property is drowning in debt.
As for Flynn, it's been known for months that he lied to the FBI and today's charge/plea is limited to that; Mueller's playing a long game and will bring further charges against Flynn in his own time.
Trump must be changing his incontinence pads a lot more frequently now.
Damage done to international reputation of USA is serious and some, I think, is now permanent.
Trump threatened to sue every woman who accused him of sexual assault - there were 10 or 12 I think; have I missed the court cases?
who knows with families but it will be a shit storm for them personally and politically if they do thisI reckon Trump will throw kushner & possibly trump jr? under the bus
Donald jr may take the fall for dad the in law is not doing time for the donald
Once he's no longer president he'll face book the same sexual harassment fallout as Weinstein & the like
Once he's no longer president he'll face book the same sexual harassment fallout as Weinstein & the like
He's more of a Twitter guy.
ABC news saying Flynn will testify he spoke to the Russians on orders from Trump
ABC have been pushing that since this afternoon but no other outlet saying the same.
I would rather see Kushner named and then him name Trump - you know, make this just a little more......exquisite.
I would rather see Kushner named and then him name Trump - you know, make this just a little more......exquisite.
I hope the lot of them go down for this. Slowly, painfully and letting us see just what the price is to sell out your family members.
Only if you are the yardstick by which we measure it
Lame 😆
Don't let the facts stand in the way of playground insults.
Bittersweet day for Trump.
The reps have agreed the tax cuts that will be a huge financial benefit to Trump, not to mention an actual legislative achievement after a year!
Just as Flynn implicates his son in law
Now the tax bill is through trump may find any allies distancing themselves from him. They've got what they want and he's becoming toxic.
The Congressional Budget Office released its analysis of the newest TCJA's budget impact.
The CBO determined that the final version of the Senate bill would add $1.4478 trillion to the deficit over 10 years, just squeezing under the $1.5 trillion limit allowed under Senate rules.
Mental.
Given that he seemed to have absolutely no awareness of:
Who "Britain First" are, or even doing the tiniest bit of research into those videos before retweeting them but just going ahead on the basis that he thought it was a UK version of his "America First" slogan, without avoiding publicising a group who were connected to the murder of a British M.P., an event about which he said nothing, just confirms Tillotson's opinion of him.
The Americans elected a moron.
Don't let the facts stand in the way of playground insults.
I was using the facts and its obvious what your real views are
AT least i can admit my politics openly without the risk of a ban.....PC gone mad innit and that must really grate with you.
Oddly enough I’ve seen "Britain First“ Facebook likes in my Facebook feed from people who don’t really get what they stand for, they do the support our armed forces phishing regularly.
They do seem to like whipping their members up into a frenzy thou with sharia law and McDonald’s dropping bacon.
Not defending The Trump thou he’s just a creating a shitstorm cover to hide behind.
Racists are skilled at sowing discord and denying their racism and shrouding their hate filed bile in causes many folk would support. Even the racists know they have to deny they are racist and not say what they really think publicly.
I dont do FB but a rational friend at work said he read that you cannot fly the union Jack on their feed . I then pointed to the one we could see from our office and asked him to explain.
they wish to sow discord and they do with BS stories as very few are willing to embrace their agenda of hate if they openly state it so they dont.
@dudeofdoom That’s how they’ve become the most popular ‘political party’ on Facebook, loads of posts about supporting ‘our boys’, ‘like and share if you hate animal cruelty/cancer in kids/sexual abuse’ and ‘why should i pay tax for scrounges to live for free’ type stuff. People lapped it up without checking who was doing the posting, or checking of what they were posting was accurate, cos it’s easy to just click once to like or share it.
Once they got all those followers the full on fascism and photoshopped lies started.
With a bit of luck, the ‘publicity’, will let all those accidental supporters know who they really are, so they will drop them. Doubt they’d get any more followers, if you are of that view point *waves at enfht* you probably already follow them.
Ahh yes the flag thing.....
There are a few funny rule things about flying flags but it doesn’t ban you from flying one.
Never really felt the need for a flagpole thou.
The reason you can’t fly a union flag/st George’s cross isn’t to do with any law. It’s because if you do, others with think you are a racist. Because racists, like Britain first, use it to promote their cause.
Be prepared for a story coming out about some council banning Xmas decorations. I’ll have a bet with anyone that it won’t be true.
The Americans elected a moron.
Morons elected a moron.
Trump's latest tweet says that he knew Flynn lied to the FBI when he sacked Comey. This is an admission to obstruction of justice and an impeachable offence so he's basically just admitted this to everyone. What a moron! I think this is quite big - no way can he squirm out of this one!
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Oh no, it’s death by a thousand extrapolations once again.
Did you lot learn nothing from yesterday’s ABC new debacle when everyone was jumping up and down telling us that Flynn’s admissions about “candidate” Trump were the final nail in Donald’s coffin?
He just admitted on twitter to obstruction of justice - an impeachable offence.
Did you expect the Flynn case to be done and dusted in a day? Trump's in big trouble ninfan, it's just a matter of time.
So this means Trump has officially admitted obstruction of justice to the world. Mueller doesn't even need to investigate stuff, he just needs to read Trump's tweets, Trump is clearly dumber than I thought. Bawbag central at the white house.
He just admitted on twitter to obstruction of justice
Yes, yes, of course he did 😆
Trump's in big trouble ninfan, it's just a matter of time.
Yes, you’re absolutely right, Shocking isn’t it? I mean, if Trump keeps on like this then there’s absolutely no way that he is ever going to be able to sucessfully run for president/stand on a republican ticket/win the primaries/get over the ‘pussygate’ scandal/actually win the election/win the electoral college/get sworn in/last more than 100 days/be accepted by other world leaders/get over the latest scandal/defeat ISIS/last more than six months/avoid starting a nuclear war with North Korea/last more than a year/build a wall/see out a full term/get re-elected*
*Delete as appropriate
So he's either commited an illegal act or he's lying about commuting an illegal act, so he's either a criminal or an idiot. That's the only two options available.Yes, yes, of course he did
Although obviously they're not mutually exclusive.
Admitting to an impeachable offence is not the same thing as being impeached.
Ninfan - I agree, it's absolutely shocking what he seems to have been able to get away with. Money, power, no morals and destructive mental habits have allowed him to cause misery, destruction, hatred and division on a massive scale.
However, the net is closing in (thankfully). It may take time, but I don't think it's too far off, and there's bound to be more chaos in the meantime, but he'll get what's coming to him.
so he's either a criminal or an idiot.
I refer you to the multipurpose “Trump predictions” answer detailed above
Yeah fine, choose one though.