Ahh but you see: keeping the Americans afraid sells more guns, maintains the NRA's powerful position, props up the military-industrial complex and gives the Pres a powerful mandate to do whatever he wants.
Either way, it is somewhat irrelevant whether the ban stays or not: it's done it's bit by manipulating the public into believing they are constantly under attack.
Tories really are a bunch of thick, inbred, nasty twunts!
they are all toadies who have their heads so far up arse cracks trying to lick their way to the top that kissing up to another thick racist misogynist **** is just another day in paradise for them.
"Think carefully ... time has no bearing on intelligence. It is really a case of dumb and dumber. "
Think carefully chew time has a real impact on demographics , the electoral college gives weight to empty land containing people unqualified to move to jobs over crowded land full of enterprise, because it was devised in an age when that land was not empty and the crowded land was barren or sparcely populated. 1 tree in a fly over state have the same vote as 3 people in California.
Strange I can't see a quote from the Foreign Sec there
Perhaps because he doesn't say it publicly again doesn't mean he has changed his mind
In this sad world of 24 hour news and virtue signaling the nuance of being able to establish relationships where you can be very frank in private and yet cautious in public is a dying art in diplomacy
Britain has a track record in recent history of doing this successfully which people like Jeremy Corbyn conveniently ignore.
I can picture the meeting post the ban, where the UK lawyer point out that the ban is probably unconstitutional and will be challenged in the states and the whole thing will go away, so the choice is virtue signaling and spoil a new relationship or privately say you think it's bad and publically just wait for due process to kill it
Apologetics - being cautious with Trump in public gives legitimacy to him in the eyes of the British public. It has nothing to do with "virtue signalling", which is a trendy word within the alt-right movement at the moment. In fact your use of the word is virtue signalling in its own right.
Saying "virtue signalling" these days is just a way to try and deride people who aren't arseholes. Oi you, with your moral code and your manners, and your treating others like you expect to be treated, you're just virtue signalling. It's basically the new version of "political correctness gone maaaaaaad".
Think of it as a valuable diagnostic tool, like "echo chamber" and "snowflake"
So apparently Kellyanne just misspoke. Just a simple innocent slip of the tongue. So unfair to jump on it...
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Which is odd, because apparently she made exactly the same slip when [url= http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8674035/kellyanne-conway-bowling-green-massacre-repeat/ ]talking to Cosmopolitan a few days before[/url]:
"Why did he do that? He did that for exactly the same reasons. He did that because two Iraqi nationals came to this country, joined ISIS, traveled back to the Middle East to get trained and refine their terrorism skills, and come back here, and were the masterminds behind [b]the Bowling Green massacre[/b] of taking innocent soldiers' lives away."
And she also said [url= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNgvoTx1fRo ]in another interview with TMZ[/url]:
"..there were two Iraqis who came here, got radicalised, joined ISIS, and then were the masterminds behind [b]the Bowling Green attack[/b] on our brave soldiers."
[i]"A lie told often enough becomes the truth"[/i] - Frank Carson
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So apparently Kellyanne just misspoke. Just a simple innocent slip of the tongue. So unfair to jump on it...
The cynic in me says deliberately mis-spoke. Seems a reasonably easy way to try and divert some attention away from trump.
The cynic in me says deliberately mis-spoke.
Of course she did, she mostly tried to make people think there was something happening, the people who will question if the government has been lying to them. that's the same reason for the list of terrorist attacks (not all were) that was put out to make people think (if they didn't pay attention to news that wasn't from the US) that they were being mislead.
I don't even think it was a diversion - just part of the general approach:
Tell big obvious lies, then question the people that question them. If you can do that then the subtler lies are much easier to get away with.
Same approach as Trump claiming that [url= https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/828574430800539648 ]"Any negative polls are fake news.."[/url] and [url= https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/828575949268606977 ]"I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data"[/url] - i.e. only my version of the truth is real and anyone questioning it is fake and should not be trusted.
That seems like healthy democracy 😯
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[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-state-department-dissent-memo-get-with-the-program-sean-spider-latest-a7554326.html ]'Get with the programme, or go'[/url]
an administration [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-38893253 ]with no shame [/url] and [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38890090 ]full of bolloxs [/url]
Mrs Ayliffe added: "The possibility of Mia and Tom's deaths being consequent to an Islamic terror attack was discounted in the early stages of the police investigation."This vilification of whole nation states and their people based on religion is a terrifying reminder of the horror that can ensue when we allow ourselves to be led by ignorant people into darkness and hatred."
I think we best get used to a daily avalanche of lies from the Trump administration.
The truth is now what Donald Trump says it is.
Get with the programme.
So apparently Kellyanne just misspoke. Just a simple innocent slip of the tongue. So unfair to jump on it...
No, absolutely not, I think it would be fair an illegitimate for The Doughnut to jump on this and make a fuss. She should be made an example of.
So apparently Kellyanne just misspoke. Just a simple innocent slip of the tongue. So unfair to jump on it...
Like the bloke who murdered the girl in Australia 'misspoke' when he was screaming Allahu Ackbar while stabbing people to death you mean?
Impressive whatabouterry there ninfan. 😐
Smail Ayad, the bloke who murdered the British backpackers in Oz, was a French National. Is Trump banning the French as well?
He doesn't even look particularly "Muslimy" - reckon Homeland Security would stop him?
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Police and those involved said it wasn't a terrorist attack. His case has been transferred to a mental health court.
No, I agree, type of mistake any of us could make in the heat of the moment. Just a simple innocent slip of the tongue, Completley unfair to jump on it.
Ok, I think I see your point now. You're saying that Kellyanne Conway is only as dangerously unhinged as a suspected-schizophrenic double murderer?
Like the bloke who murdered the girl in Australia 'misspoke' when he was screaming Allahu Ackbar while stabbing people to death you mean?
Irrelevant bullshit post of the day!
What time does the next round of WW3 top trumps start?
You're saying that Kellyanne Conway is only as dangerously unhinged as a suspected-schizophrenic double murderer?
No, like all of Trumps team, she is far more dangerous than that, in fact I would go so far as to admit that it's only by a twist of fate that she isn't camp commandant in one of Donald (literally Hitler)'s internment camps yet.
Like the bloke who murdered the girl in Australia 'misspoke' when he was screaming Allahu Ackbar while stabbing people to death you mean?
Fine line between being mildly entertaining and being a bit of a ****.
Yeah, yeah. I know. I just gave him fuel for the next 24hrs.
Yeah, yeah. I know. I just gave him fuel for the next 24hrs.
You can't help yourself, it's like Catnip for photoshop web gurus
I don't really understand your defence here ninfan.
Are you claiming Kellyanne [i]did[/i] have an innocent slip of the tongue, three separate times, just like the Oz killer?
Or are you admitting that what she said was a deliberate lie, but that's okay because look at what the Oz killer said?
I don't really understand your defence here ninfan.
I think it's quite clear, he's actually lost the plot. I can see Y fronts on head and pencils up nose. Wibble.
No, like all of Trumps team, she is far more dangerous than that, in fact I would go so far as to admit that it's only by a twist of fate that she isn't camp commandant in one of Donald (literally Hitler)'s internment camps yet.
I don't really understand your defence here ninfan.
Its designed to make ANYONE respond to him and you keep feeding him.
He cares not for truth accuracy or anythign as long as some "snowflake" is annoyed by his outburst enough to reply then he will be sat somewhere getting wood and ready to type something else to keep it all going
I'm not quite ready to dismiss ninfan as a pure troll yet Junkyard.
He does seem to believe in Trump and has contributed some interesting counterpoints amongst the snowflake jibes and general snarkiness.
yes junky, how dare I agree that it's impossible to really know someone's motives, but easy to apply the benefit of the doubt equally to both sides rather than partially depending on whether I perceive them to be goodies or baddies.
ninfan does it not matter to you that Trump is BLATANTLY LIEING?? That you are being lied to??
Aaah.. was that your point? Okay, why didn't you just say that?
Sure, we don't know for sure what Kellyanne's real motives are.
But we can say her defence that she simply [i]"misspoke"[/i] and [i]"meant to say Bowling Green terrorists"[/i] looks very suspect when you realise she "misspoke" it in three separate interviews.
he is not a troll [ in the traditional sense] he is just someone who craves attention and will say any old shit to get a reaction from anyone and he loves to argue the barely tenable for shits and giggles I assume - he quite likes to goad as wellI'm not quite ready to dismiss ninfan as a pure troll yet Junkyard.
Best of luck but it will be like debating with a flat earther but in this case a flat earther who knows its BS and they just want to frustrate you with their gibberish 😉
I'm not quite ready to dismiss ninfan as a pure troll yet Junkyard.
Now that's what I call gullible.
Do you honestly think that ninfan would go to such lengths to make rightwingers look daft and without any sort of coherent argument if he wasn't a troll?
looks very suspect when you realise she "misspoke" it in three separate interviews.
Makes it more believable surely - was briefed on huge amounts of information, got the wrong end of one of the briefings or mixed it up with another, simple human error
It's more than possible, I'm sure you would agree. In fact I would suggest that Occam's razor (or perhaps even heinleins razor) would suggest that it's the most likely explanation
The problem is that once you start seeing things as conspiracies, everything looks like a conspiracy - in much the same was as if you start calling people Hitler , your perception filter makes everything look Hitlerish. see Scott Adams excellent blog on this: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156540315831/be-careful-what-you-wish-for-especially-if-it-is
Ps. Loving the fact that Junky and Ernie response to the point that you can't really ever know someone else's motives it to attribute a motive, nice work boys 😉
Fantastic example of the 'perception lens' Problem here:
Dry sense of humour, or menacing threat?
Now, let's see a couple of examples of how that's reported:
Independent:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-state-senator-destroy-career-texas-a7567936.html
How can two newspapers report it so differently? One as a threat, one as a joke? each gives an entirely different impression.
The full meeting is here for context, the question at about 27 minutes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=soTD3QonskY
(Worth listening to the couple of minutes from then on by the way)
ninfan - Member
"looks very suspect when you realise she "misspoke" it in three separate interviews."
Makes it more believable surely - was briefed on huge amounts of information, got the wrong end of one of the briefings or mixed it up with another, simple human error
Incompetent rather than a liar. Good defence.
Makes it more believable surely
Got a verifiable source for Bowling Green?......
Otherwise..
Dry sense of humour, or menacing threat?
going full godwin on that
quite dry and funny for a german
but was it dry sense of humour or menacing threat ?
Makes it more believable surely ..
Not to me, no. It was clearly a scripted/rehearsed response to an expected question, as her wording was nearly identical each time.
And her defence wasn't that she got it mixed up with some other attack or briefing. She claims it was just a slip of the tongue. Three times.
but was dry sense of humour or menacing threat ?
<bangs head against wall>
[i]it's impossible to really know someone's motives, but easy to apply the benefit of the doubt equally to both sides rather than partially depending on whether I perceive them to be goodies or baddies.[/i]
why not go and watch the longer video and form your own opinion instead of relying on other people to spoon feed you what to think?
GrahamS
Not to me, no. It was clearly a scripted/rehearsed response to an expected question, as her wording was nearly identical each time.And her defence wasn't that she got it mixed up with some other attack or briefing. She claims it was just a slip of the tongue. Three times.
He's made his appeal to Occam's razor now, the issue is closed.
It doesn't actually matter if the "destroy his Career" was a joke or a threat.
I either case it is a completely in-appropriate thing for the President of the USA to say, and simply reveals that Trump is a see you next tuesday of the highest order..........
It's also why, imo, he will achieve nothing with his playground politics, and just veer from badly thought out crisis to badly thought out crisis, all the time alienating even his supporters as he goes.
ninfan Allah Akbar is Arabic for god is great or Good God, I say sweet jesus and good god regularly that does not make me a Christian just someone who has been raised in a Christian influenced environment.
Kelly Anne did not misspeak you cant fit her alternative word logically into her actual sentence. She also said US soldiers were killed in the Bowling Green Massacre , if she was briefed inaccurately then it was the Trump team that chose to feed her a false narrative. 3 times once a mistake twice incompetence 3 times is a plan.
see grham anything for a response 😉
