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It's all about ensuring that those pesky scientists can't dilute the very necessary excessive profits for the oil industry and entirely benign executives.
almost certainly the views of very right wing folk with no background in scienceWTAF are they proposing to use? Guesswork? A wet finger in the wind?
Scott Pruitt is a long-term manmade climate change denier, who once described himself as the "leading advocate against the EPA's activist agenda." He sued the EPA at least 14 times whilst he was Oklahoma's Attorney Genereal.
Fairly obvious that Trump, who has said many times that climate change is a Chinese plot, put him in charge of the EPA to gut it.
Ditch all those pesky environmental laws and American coal can be profitable again - a true capitalist's vision of profit over everything else.
I wonder how long before we see the same thing in the UK? There have already been calls to ditch EU environmental protection laws during the Great Repeal Bill. Money always wins in the end. 🙁
[url= http://news.sky.com/story/president-donald-trump-urged-theresa-may-to-fix-better-uk-reception-for-him-10950212 ]president snowflake[/url]
With Brexit, we need to get used to cozying up to unsavoury leaders. Being nasty to Trump has to end.
[quote=Klunk ]president snowflake
He clearly has unrealistically high expectations of Maybot's capabilities.
Yeah was quite amusing that Trump thinks that a prime minister everyone in the country hates can somehow change the public perception of a man everyone in the country thinks is a douchebag !
He clearly has unrealistically high expectations of Maybot's [s]capabilities[/s] tenure.
Great news"When I know I'm going to get a better reception, I'll come and not before."
Are all ego maniacs paper thin skinned?
oldnpastit - Member
With Brexit, we need to get used to cozying up to unsavoury leaders. Being nasty to Trump has to end.
Was that a joke? Laying down and being nice to him isn't in our interests, chances are he will be out by the time we leave the EU and start any other negotiations.
[quote=Junkyard ]Are all ego maniacs paper thin skinned?
I wonder if he shed a tear when he found the UK public didn't like him?
chances are he will be out by the time we leave the EU and start any other negotiations.
Maybe, but Duterte and the House of Saud will still be in business, so the general principle holds.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/us/politics/trump-air-force-one-excerpt-transcript.html
Wowzers. Makes less sense than chewkw...
jam bo - Member
> https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/us/politics/trump-air-force-one-excerpt-transcript.htmlWowzers. Makes less sense than chewkw...
Only makes no sense to the silly snowflakes ... 😆
As usual he sounds like a rambling drunk, except with a worse situation span and nor limited vocabulary. I like the way he mentions he only just heard about Jr's meeting even though he says it was nothing, covering his own back so he can use sonny boy as a human sacrifice. Absolute human garbage.
How did he get to be leader of anything?
His answer on when were you last in France or paris is astonishing
he cant even answer a piss simple question
That reads like a Fargo script, you know where they don't finish .., ah jeez, like okay
I think that chewk is a good example of factproof trump fans.
Be under no illusion, this guy is paid to be here.
they are getting very very ripped off then
Perhaps it's the Russian that are paying for fun ... 😆
Perhaps it's the snowflake media that got rip off ... 😆
And I’ll give you an example. As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don’t see them — they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It’s over. As crazy as that sounds, you need transparency through that wall. But we have some incredible designs.
Quote from the transcript, Is he concerned about people getting hurt throwing sacks of drugs???
60lb is 27kg! Who on earth is going to throw a 27kg bag up and over a 30 foot high wall?
Unless the drug mules are now also contestants on "The Worlds Strongest Man" i think we're pretty safe........
I'm past caring..its not Trumps fault, Americans voted for him and they'll pay the price.
All empires come to an end, I think the people just get too stupid or something.
Wowzers. Makes less sense than chewkw...
Holy crap....
I didn't get past the second para before I bust out laughing....
It's like a 10 yr old whose forgotten his Ritalin!
60lb is 27kg! Who on earth is going to throw a 27kg bag up and over a 30 foot high wall?
I give you:
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If it means getting to see massive siege engines hurling stuff at Trumps Wall then i'm now in favour of the build! Should be spectacular to watch 😉
This is going to be the best nailed down coffin in years
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40639909
Two more Republican senators say they oppose their party's replacement for President Obama's health reforms, leaving leaders short of a majority.
Mike Lee and Jerry Moran both announced they could not support the bill in its current form.
Republicans hold 52 seats in the 100-member Senate, and with two other Republicans already against the bill they could not afford more desertions.
President Donald Trump made repealing Obamacare a key campaign pledge.
The current plan retains key Obamacare taxes on the wealthy, while allowing insurers to offer less coverage and imposing sharp cuts to healthcare for the poor.
Moderates worried about the effects on the most vulnerable, while conservatives defended the dismantling of Obamacare.
Trump's problem is that Trumpcare doesn't exist, he doesn't have s clue what to replace Obamacare with.
It's just all his empty campaign rhetoric meeting reality.
I've no doubt that he'll be able to blame reps and faithful will lap it up.....
Even as it now looks like they will vote to remove Obamacare and replace it with nothing!
[quote=kimbers ]Trump's problem is that Trumpcare doesn't exist, he doesn't have s clue what to replace Obamacare with.
Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated
I would like to know what % of those willing to take away healthcare from millions choose not to have it themselves
It just reminds me of the MW those who will never be in that position arguing why folk would "choose" to do it.
What civilised society wont look after the health of its citizens?
From that NY Times transcript on the previous page
South Korea, we protect, but we’re losing $40 billion a year with South Korea on trade. We have a trade deficit of $40 billion.
Does he not know what a trade deficit is?
Given Trump's increasingly desperate deflection tactics, I'm expecting Trump to launch a special investigation into the Obama administration's lack of support for repealing Obamacare any day now.
That'll probably happen as soon as the investigation into Obama's dealings with Russia is concluded.
So trump & putin had a second undeclared meeting at the end of the G20 dinner with no one else, other than Putin's translator, (trump's own one wasn left out)
Quite like the mental image of the meal finishing and a circle opening up around Vlad as no-one wants to sit next to him
Is trump actually a construct of the failing nyt & others to generate click revenue ? 😉
I saw a survey yesterday (will try to find the link) saying that 55% of Trump don't believe that Donny jr had a meeting in Russia, with some Russians.
They don't think it wasn't illegal, they don't think it wasn't a bit dodgy, they just don't believe Trump and his son when they say that the meeting took place.
😕
saying that 55% of Trump don't believe that Donny jr had a meeting in Russia, with some Russians.
It wasn't in Russia, so they'd be right. 🙂
Point I think you were making stands though - Trump's campaign against mainstream news media is working well to secure his base. The interesting question is how big his core support actually is. Can he win a second term with just his core, or was his key state victories due more to distaste at the Democratic candidate, and her vote staying indoors for the day?
So as predicted, despite the Republicans having majority control of the house and the senate, Trump has blamed the failing Trumpcare bill on the Democrats.
Though he has at least acknowledged that a few Republicans were not "loyal". 🙄
His new "plan" is to take his hands off the wheel, let ObamaCare fail (leaving possibly tens of millions without healthcare) and [i]then[/i] come up with a new healthcare bill.
..they just don't believe Trump and his son when they say that the meeting took place.
That's the Trump masterstroke: everything bad that is ever reported about him is [i]"fake news"[/i], even when it is stuff he has publicly admitted to.
wasn't in Russia, so they'd be right
My mistake, it was just about whether the meeting had happened.
Point I think you were making stands though - Trump's campaign against mainstream news media is working well to secure his base
That's the odd thing, Trump and his team admit the meeting happened. So why don't Trump supporters believe Trump?
Edit: I think Graham has got it
It's all about demoralising and damaging the prospects of the poor. There's a growing number of voices on the political right in America calling for those who don't own (increasingly unaffordable) property to be disenfranchised.
Trump is serving a purpose as a useful idiot. So long as he tweets nonsense, makes bumbling, hilariously inaccurate statements and mires himself in allegations of corruption and incompetence, then he's diverting attention away from policies designed to weaken democracy.
I've little doubt that he'll be gone before long, either by resignation under duress or by impeachment. It's what comes next that the average American needs to worry about.
There's a growing number of voices on the political right in America calling for those who don't own (increasingly unaffordable) property to be disenfranchised.
Hadn't caught wind of that, but that'd be a pretty terrifying future for the greatest "democracy" in the world. I'd like to think it could never happen but in the current political climate I just don't know.
Putin speaks English, don't you know.
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There's no doubt that we're in the midst of an ideological conflict. I dislike using the term "neoliberal", but the ultimate conclusion of policies being championed by the post neoliberal right is to protect those with wealth at the expense of everyone else.
It's about sucking as much cash upwards as possible. Same is true for other services previously funded by the taxpayer, being slashed in the name of "lower taxes" (meaning lower taxes for the wealthy) everything ends up costing the individual much more and loads them with debt.
However, looking at the chaos over the pond it's becoming clear that an increasing number of Republicans have decided that the proposed policies for healthcare, the environment and immigration are morally abhorrent. This is why Trump cannot get Obamacare repealed, despite the Republicans having full control of both houses.
surely elements within the american govt- es secret services- have to be concerned about this latest development if they were not already worried
can they legally spy on the president?
only 4 reps opposed Trumpcare, and I think they all wanted it to be more rightwing.
Remarkable that after 6 months he still hasnt got anything through the legislature, despite controlling both houses!
n increasing number of Republicans have decided that the proposed policies for healthcare, the environment and immigration are morally abhorrent. This is why Trump cannot get Obamacare repealed
IIRC some of the dissenting Republicans believe that the dismantling of Obamacare doesn't go far enough.
It's about sucking as much cash upwards as possible. Same is true for other services previously funded by the taxpayer, being slashed in the name of "lower taxes"
The Congressional Budget Office reported that the [i]"Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017 would reduce federal deficits by $321 billion over the coming decade"[/i] so there is some truth there, though they also found it would [i]"increase the number of people who are uninsured by 22 million in 2026 relative to current law."[/i]!
-- Source: https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52849
enfht - MemberPutin speaks English, don't you know.
So why did he need a translator?
So why did he need a translator?
covfefe ?
Putin speaks English, don't you know.So why did he need a translator?
Yes, but Trump doesn't 😆
[quote=kimbers ]only 4 reps opposed Trumpcare, and I think they all wanted it to be more rightwing.
That is the scary thing - but the Reps fundamental issue is the width of political opinion within their own party and that it appears impossible to satisfy both the moderates and the extremists. I suspect it also doesn't help that the Rep party is still packed with swamp monsters who do whatever their paymasters tell them to.
So trump & putin had a second undeclared meeting at the end of the G20 dinner with no one else, other than Putin's translator, (trump's own one wasn left out)
Trumps translator only spoke Japanese, because Trump was sat next to the Japanese Prime Minister.
Apparently many at that meal wondered just WTAF Trump was playing at.
He says it's Fake News ™ © ®, he only spoke to Putin for a few minutes, others who were there say it was an hour or so.
whitestone - Member
Putin speaks English, don't you know.
So why did he need a translator?Yes, but Trump doesn't
Oh, well played sir! Clean over the Pavilion.
The Big Three have gone a bit quiet...
The Big Three have gone a bit quiet...
I was thinking that - nice isn't it? Although I have come to think of this thread as a sheltered workshop for them, and I worry about what they are up to when they're not here. It's kind of a containment thread.
That is the scary thing - but the Reps fundamental issue is the width of political opinion within their own party and that it appears impossible to satisfy both the moderates and the extremists.
Yep any more to get those 3 will start dropping numbers from the other side very quickly.
We can only assume the 2nd private meeting was because despite saying he understood his new orders from Putin when he tried to explain them to the inner circle they worked out he just nodded and smiled so he had to go back in to see Putin.
Meanwhile
Financial records filed last year in the secretive tax haven of Cyprus, where Paul J. Manafort kept bank accounts during his years working in Ukraine and investing with a Russian oligarch, indicate that he had been in debt to pro-Russia interests by as much as $17 million before he joined Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign in March 2016.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/paul-manafort-russia-trump.html
What was the line repeated over the Hillary emails - no smoke without fire? Needs to be examined properly, must be investigated?
So deep in it they can't see out.
WASHINGTON — President Trump said on Wednesday that he never would have appointed Attorney General Jeff Sessions had he known Mr. Sessions would recuse himself from overseeing the Russia investigation that has dogged his presidency, calling the decision “very unfair to the president.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/trump-interview-sessions-russia.html?_r=0
As if you wanted a step by step guide to incriminating yourself into a perverting the course of justice case. Seems to read I wanted Jeff to stay there to control the investigation and make sure it didn't get me in trouble.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/19/deutsche-bank-donald-trump-russia-investigation-subpoenas ]https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/19/deutsche-bank-donald-trump-russia-investigation-subpoenas[/url]
Ooooo.... interestinger and interestinger
The requests for information from Maxine Waters, the top Democrat on the House financial services committee, have focused on whether any Russian entities may have provided financial guarantees for the loans that were made to the president or his immediate family members.
Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter and adviser in the White House; her husband, Jared Kushner, who is also a presidential adviser; and Kushner’s mother, Seryl Stadtmauer, are all clients of Deutsche Bank
According to an analysis by Bloomberg, Trump now owes Deutsche, his biggest creditor, around $300m. He has four large mortgages, all issued by Deutsche’s private bank. The loans are guaranteed against the president’s properties: a new deluxe hotel in Washington DC’s old post office building, just around the corner from the White House; his Chicago tower hotel; and the Trump National Doral Miami resort.
A person close to the matter said other financial institutions with ties to Trump would also likely receive requests for information from Mueller’s team, including Bank of America.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/19/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-unpopular-polling ]Clinton more unpopular than Trump[/url]
This makes for interesting reading: However bad Trump's numbers are, Hilary's are worse. The Democrats has some way to go, and the Mid Term elections are looming.
but hillary got 3 million more votes.
^ Also, Donald is still fighting the election (and has been for the last 6 months). Hilary has stepped-back completely - I think I've seen one public engagement from her.
No surprise really.... but Hillary's popularity now is completely irrelevant.
I suppose it demonstrates how well Donald's propaganda is being received by the populace - I mean, does anyone really believe (at this point) that Hillary would have been worse that Donald? I suppose thats the danger of normalizing this kind of idiotic rhetoric.... sooner or later people end up believing it.
I feel like our kids are going to be reading about Donald at school as a cautionary tale, in the way we read about German politics in the 1930s
This makes for interesting reading: However bad Trump's numbers are, Hilary's are worse. The Democrats has some way to go, and the Mid Term elections are looming.
Yeah, I don't see what Hilary has to do with the mid-terms. I'd be surprised if the Reps are still in charge of both houses afterwards (although I have lost a lot of faith in the US electorate in the last year: there is clearly a lot of stupidity about).
Slightly confused article there really. Part of the issues with the US/president style is there is no one leader of the opposition. As for the mid terms I think it's down as a set of mostly red states this time so the chance of big gains for any Dem is low regardless of how bad Trump is and they are voting for their good local proper Republicans not Donald. A protest vote against some from the Trump core might upset a few things though.
I would imagine the real factor will be the scandal closest to the elections. The Rep's are not standing by him anymore like they were, nobody wants to be collateral when that thing goes off.
Trump has also been collecting campaign donations, this time from big donors, at record levels for a 1st 6 month presidency.
The record fundraising is also apparently taking place in his hotels etc so all these s****y dinners and events directly pay him personally. It's a scam of the highest proportion.
Trump has a pop at Sessions.
He really seems utterly out of his depth.
@PJM1974 Have a read of this [url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/19/despot-disguise-democracy-james-mcgill-buchanan-totalitarian-capitalism ]Monbiot opinion piece[/url] from the other day. Scary stuff indeed.
PJM1974 Have a read of this Monbiot opinion piece from the other day. Scary stuff indeed.
Yup. It is indeed very scary, the Koch brothers have tried to subvert democracy for their own ends to the point that the very credibility of the Republican party is in jeopardy. Sooner or later, there will either be a dramatic erosion of democratic rights for those who stand to lose as a result of extreme right wing Republican policies, or there will be a backlash within the party.
There's been a marked increase in bellicose, illiberal language from the political right within the Anglosphere in general, to the point that the subversion of fact has become accepted practice. Sooner or later there will be a popular backlash, it's one thing to have an economic system whereby enormous amounts of cash are drawn from the working/middle classes and sucked upwards but it's quite another to attempt to bypass and silence the media. There's even a call from some on the Australian right to withdraw from the United Nations...
@bails @martinhutch It was "met with Russians".
Only 45% of Trump voters believe Donald Trump Jr. met with Russians, 32% say it didn't happen, 24% not sure.
This despite the fact HE PUBLISHED THE EMAILS SHOWING HE DID, all in denial, its madness lol.
Loving that hes slated Sessions so much,
Sessions has been remarkably loyal to Trump throughout, apart from, well not killing the russia investigation 😉
Ill bet plenty of other Trump fanboys among the Reps are feeling a bit nervous, Trump seems happy to throe anyone under the bus if things go wrong
Whilst driving the bus and honking the horn.
love this one
Trump just checking 😉 to see if hes able to pardon himself or family members/ advisors in case anything naughty comes of this russia fakenews stuff
Every day paints in sharper focus a picture of an inadequate man of limited intellectual ability, in thrall to his own need for validation slowly digging himself even deeper.
He's obviously been reading about Gerald Ford pardoning Nixon, but has failed to grasp the fact that Ford was dragged kicking and screaming [i]into[/i] the White House and Ford's motivation for pardoning Nixon stemmed from the need to ensure that no resulting trial dragged the authority of the office of President through the legal mire for years after the event. Controversial, yes but necessary to draw a line and move on.
For Trump to pardon himself would permanently damage the credibility of the officeholder and would likely bring down the GOP itself. Again, sooner or later the GOP will have to choose the right moment to jettison the sitting president and distance itself from events.
Only 45% of Trump voters believe Donald Trump Jr. met with Russians, 32% say it didn't happen, 24% not sure.This despite the fact HE PUBLISHED THE EMAILS SHOWING HE DID, all in denial, its madness lol.
Your point is?
The 55% might be the smart ones, on the basis that you can't trust anything that they say so they're just as likely to be right as the 45% 😆
Spicer has resigned.
😯
"Combative Wall Street financier Anthony Scaramucci has been picked for the role that Mr Spicer partially filled."
Will he do the fandango?
Looks like the Trump presidency is going to chew up and spit out plenty of reputations & careers
Bush(Billy),Christie,Flynn,Comey,Sessions,Spicer...
Who'd I miss?
Oh oh oh! I know!
Trump
Anthony Scaramucci =
Inaccuracy host man.
If Trump wins another term, as our in-house nutters keep saying he's going too, then wow, it's going to be lonely in the White House for those last years!
(by then, EVERYONE else will have resigned....... 😆 )
martinhutch - Member - Block User - Quote
Anthony Scaramucci =Inaccuracy host man.
Also:
Accuracy tosh man in.
Your point is?The 55% might be the smart ones, on the basis that you can't trust anything that they say so they're just as likely to be right as the 45%
There is no right or wrong, its a fact he met with Russians and yet...
45% of Trump supporters don't believe it.
Do you believe he met with Russians?
it's OK, I'm taking the P.
When you can't believe anything they say it's not beyond the limits of incredulity that I feel with almost anything Trump related nowadays that they faked their own incriminating emails just so they can shout FAKE NEWS at it 😉