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yes but what do the FBI know? we have a politically motivated sleuth in jamby and we all know he is never wrong.
Except, you know, the FBI said there was no crime committed.
Except, you know, the FBI are constrained by facts and what the law actually says.
There you go with facts and shit like that. Some people have STUDIED things.
I was in Marrakech on Monday morning and watched the whole CNN debate before breakfast. It was just sooo appalling you couldn't take your eyes off it. The screen was split with each candidates face in full picture for the whole debate.
I can categorically say that Trump is (as we already mostly knew) a bombastic bully who is used to getting what he wants, when he wants it. Watching him having to hold his tongue whilst HC spoke was quite something......he's simply a nasty piece of work!
Except, you know, the FBI said there was no crime committed.
No they didn't, they said that:
[i]Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.[/i]
Watching him having to hold his tongue whilst HC spoke was quite something......he's simply a nasty piece of work!
This is part of his attraction for some of the 'Mercan's I know. He isn't a "professional" politician, who has been coached on every bit of body language, how to hold his hands etc.
Watch any Question Time show and you see how many of the politicians use exactly the same hand gestures while speaking, it's piss boiling.
However, even that couldn't make me vote for the Donald.
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I've been watching a lot of the American network coverage - it's strangely compelling watching a powerful man slowly fall to pieces.
Two more accusers have come forward today. His line of denial is fatally wounded by the video tape evidence, where he brags of doing exactly the things they say he did.
wow, sounds like he
moved on her very heavily. In fact, -
moved on her like a bitch,
its almost as if he thinks he can
just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.
And when you’re a star, they let you do it,you can do anything
More news breaking, more assault accusations. Surely this can't go the whole way can it? The mercins can't really, really want this bloke in charge?
from the LA times in 1992
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im not sure at this stage it can cost him any more votes???
from this layperson's vantage point, the allegations seem to be being eked out slowly enough to get him thrown out of the race too late to replace him.
Too good to be true? Do we know that Trump isn't a Democrat plant designed to win the nomination then to crash and burn in the final fortnight?
Do we know that Trump isn't a Democrat plant designed to win the nomination then to crash and burn in the final fortnight?
No-one forced the Republicans to nominate him. They all knew what he was like.
mcmoonter - Member
Very funny I like that. Light up my evening ...
But that Kennedy quote is a bit Clinton-ish isn't it.
As for the Trump quote in the far east we usually refer to the male genitalia.
The question is if someone says "grab them by their [male genitalia]" will that be offensive considering the world we live in now. Gender equality etc ...
I think I am going to start using the Trump quote when I see all me mates in the far east ...
@chewkw - are you trying to defend Trump's words and deeds? That's what it sounds like to me.
Trump has now produced this guy to say one of his accusers is making it up and that she was chasing trump
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-child-abuse-whistleblower-i-3848987
oldnpastit - Member
@chewkw - are you trying to defend Trump's words and deeds? That's what it sounds like to me.
[b]Absolutely Not defending him. But I don't support Clinton either. [/b]
In terms of language that is how we speak back home for a laugh. We are very rude when we speak amongst mates coz that's how we are in that region. But we know our place when we speak i.e. just amongst we mates. We only talk dirty or rude but we don't do it. i.e. we don't touch other women if we want our lives intact.
The question is if someone says "grab them by their [male genitalia]" will that be offensive considering the world we live in now. Gender equality etc ...
Yes, are all the questions on the test going to be this easy?
The jfk quote is Clinton ish? It's one of the most famous lines from him.
mikewsmith - Member
Yes, are all the questions on the test going to be this easy?
Not really a test but rather not sure what the big deal is considering there is no saint in politics.
That is the kind of quote that is so tacky it sounds like they are sincere and yet both cannot resist the temptation of women. Talk a good talk but deep down rotten to the core.The jfk quote is Clinton ish? It's one of the most famous lines from him.
The first quote is about being brave where dying is just but another path.
The second quote is JFK begging for support where he equated himself to the country.
The third quote is about a man showing off his power by grabbing other's private part.
this made me think as with many quotes the context gives it the power.
From the speach
[21] All this will not be finished in the first one hundred days. Nor will it be finished in the first one thousand days, nor in the life of this Administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin.[22] In your hands, my fellow citizens, more than mine, will rest the final success or failure of our course. Since this country was founded, each generation of Americans has been summoned to give testimony to its national loyalty. The graves of young Americans who answered the call to service surround the globe.
[23] Now the trumpet summons us again–not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need–not as a call to battle, though embattled we are–but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, “rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation”–a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease and war itself.
[24] Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, North and South, East and West, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind? Will you join in that historic effort?
[25] In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility–I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavor will light our country and all who serve it–and the glow from that fire can truly light the world.
[26] And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you–ask what you can do for your country.
[27] My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.
[28] Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us here the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God’s work must truly be our own.
Considering this was 1960 with Vietnam, the Cuban missile crisis and many other proxy wars in the offing
Where the reality was
The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life.
Basically a choice between Hope and the End of Days, 14 years after the end of the WW2 where the world was rebuilding and changing and technology was making it a very different place.
Makes today's politicians seem like a set of strutting jackanapes.
This is part of his attraction for some of the 'Mercan's I know. He isn't a "professional" politician, who has been coached on every bit of body language, how to hold his hands etc.
If you think they haven't TRIED to coach him you're naive. Unfortunately "The Donald" thinks he's perfect, nobody has more X than he does (X is basically any human virtue). Hysterically, he not that long ago said:
Nobody has more respect for women than I do
If that's the case, women are doomed.
The quotes are interesting. Superficially damning for Trump as they should be. But then you think about it (or should) and we have three men who share the same fault - womanisers who abused their position to satisfy their sexual desires. And yet two are revered and associated with/excused by grandiose statements while one is vilified.
Perhaps that is exactly why Trump appeals to the average Joe on Main Street. Theyre all flawed, massively so, but one does not attempt to hide the fact, in fact quite the opposite. Hypocrisy is worse than the flaws themselves?
But then you think about it (or should) and we have three men who share the same fault - womanisers who abused their position to satisfy their sexual desires.
2 of the 3 actually managed to do something for others rather than just themselves though.
Oh I see. That's ok then. Joe is wrong.
A cynic would say that sounds like Trumps apologists who excuse his tax affairs by claiming that he paid a lot of tax in other ways.
But if we want to excuse abusing woman (from positions of power) on the basis of other good deeds then so be it....smells a bit fishy to me
The quotes are interesting. Superficially damning for Trump as they should be. But then you think about it (or should) and we have three men who share the same fault - womanisers who abused their position to satisfy their sexual desires. And yet two are revered and associated with/excused by grandiose statements while one is vilified.Perhaps that is exactly why Trump appeals to the average Joe on Main Street. Theyre all flawed, massively so, but one does not attempt to hide the fact, in fact quite the opposite. Hypocrisy is worse than the flaws themselves?
As a classic mid-western middle aged female trump voter said to the press the other day "he's running for president, not for pope"
The faux outrage at 'sexist and misogenistic' comments from a man who has been famous, a comedy figure in fact, over surrounding himself with beautiful young women for years is laughable, particularly in the way it's being led by the Clinton cheerleaders. The latest allegations only serve to reinforce the impression amongst his 'average joe' voter base that the establishment will throw every bit of mud they can at trump, will stop at nothing, so that they can keep in power ("why are these allegations only coming out now?")
It's a huge tactical mistake, people see through this, it strengthens their resolve to do the opposite to what they are being told they should do - you only need to look at the results of project fear on the Brexit vote to see what's going to happen...
You're still missing the point ninfan that those "average joe" voters you mention who support Trump aren't the ones who will decide the election. Clearly for a lot of them even the revelation that Trump is an alien lizard who eats babies for breakfast would only harden their resolve to vote for him, but their resolve is irrelevant, they still only get one vote each - and what's more a lot of them only get one vote in states where the Democrats don't even bother campaigning.
The ones who will decide the election - the Christian middle Americans who have a somewhat liberal attitude - will be significantly less likely to vote for Trump as a result of these revelations. In the grand scheme of things, the opinions of mid-western middle aged women are irrelevant to the result.
Christian middle Americans who have a somewhat liberal attitude
😆
The ones who will decide the election - the Christian middle Americans who have a somewhat liberal attitude - will be significantly less likely to vote for Trump as a result of these revelations. In the grand scheme of things, the opinions of mid-western middle aged women are irrelevant to the result.
We shall see but so far we have been very bad at explaining how a candidate as appalling as Trump is, still resonates and connects with so many people.
It will be interesting, after he crashes and burns in November, to see what happens to:
1: him
2: the Republican Party.
3. the world
having so much of global politics centred around BSers and that not just the Brexshiteers its general BSers is really concerning especially given the high levels of geopolitical risk. This is the time for statesmen but instead its become a black comedy
The faux outrage at 'sexist and misogenistic' comments
I think it was more the admission of sexual assault. Everyone knew he was a misogynist before.
so far we have been very bad at explaining how a candidate as appalling as Trump is, still resonates and connects with so many people
I agree but this article does as good a job as any I've seen
[url= http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/ ]How Half Of America Lost Its ****ing Mind[/url]
He's been racist and offensive the whole way through though so I don't think these accusations will be that harmful. Anyone left supporting him is either a) in agreement with him or b) willfully ignoring it because of their political leaning. Fundamentally about 40% of Americans are ok with a racist, sexist, ignorant liability. To really lose votes with them he needs to start supporting gun control, abortion and gay rights.
[quote=mrhoppy ]Fundamentally about 40% of Americans are ok with a racist, sexist, ignorant liability. To really lose votes with them he needs to start supporting gun control, abortion and gay rights.
Which doesn't fundamentally matter, because he won't win the election with 40% of the vote. It's the next 10% who are OK with him being racist, sexist and ignorant because they're white, male (or female but not that bothered by low level sexism) and similarly ignorant. Yet that group aren't necessarily OK with the sort of sexual assault stuff which is coming out now - this is quite significant because as I mentioned several pages ago, part of his support comes from Christians for whom some sexism is normalised, but this level of sexual assault is unacceptable.
I read a chapter in Steinbeck's 'Travels with Charley' of the racism in the southern states in the early sixties. To hear Trump's voiceover on this tape is sickening. To think that so many Americans view him as electable it terrifying.
mikewsmith - Member[27] My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.
[28] Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us here the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you.
What an idiot- everyone knows that "if you think you're a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere. You don't understand what the very word citizen means"
ninfan - MemberThe faux outrage at 'sexist and misogenistic' comments from a man who has been famous, a comedy figure in fact, over surrounding himself with beautiful young women for years is laughable,
I think you know perfectly well this uproar isn't about sexism or misogyny, it's about sexual assault. If you can't see the difference then what hope for you?
ninfan - Member
The faux outrage at 'sexist and misogenistic' comments from a man who has been famous, a comedy figure in fact, over surrounding himself with beautiful young women for years is laughable,
I hope my troll radar is playing up;if not I'm embarrassed for you.
Northwind - Member
..., it's about sexual assault.
Ya, Bill Clinton did that too so while campaigning for Presidency. Bill's cases were serious also and I think he was found guilty (you need to double check this again) in one case where he settled out of court.
Whereas Trump was accused of things so far back and yes it does not make him right but to think he is worst is misleading.
The current President will get into trouble big time with his golfing buddy soon. Keep your eyes on the news.
Yes, the are ALL dirty and rotten to the core.
Very simple if Trump is the President he will be so closely scrutinised I doubt he would be so stupid to make some stupid moves. Besides, it is also advisable to stand more than arm distance just in case he pounces.
part of his support comes from Christians for whom some sexism is normalised, but this level of sexual assault is unacceptable.
Not high ranking catholics* then?
* This is a dig at the catholic church's response to sexual abuse in its midst not a dig at catholics in general to be very very clear
😆 even high ranking Catholics don't support it in public
That video just confirms really that what happened here with brexit is the same as what is happening with trump.
I.e. Why not give it a go it can't get worse. However misguided that view is
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37667924 ]Run with this Trumpettes.[/url] It gets more absurd by the day and still people are willing to take the hook, the line and the sinker.
Let's look at what the Trumper IS willing to do (drug test & now more important than) and what he isn't (tax returns).
Suckers.
Interesting vid, thanks ninfan.
kind of demonstrates the fruitlessness of IS politics in so many ways that the vids last comment "...That so many many Americans are willing to vote for an offensive showman" pretty much sums it up.
BTW, 50p says the democrats take Ohio 🙂
In guessing anyone of the age of Donald and Clinton us gonna be on a wide range of meds.
Trump was doing a lot of mysterious sniffing though in those debates,
Christ, we've still got nearly 3 weeks left. At this this rate of progression (decline), Trump will be frothing at the mouth and bare-knuckling with journalists before election day.
What did we do for entertainment before this? 🙂
It gets more absurd by the day and still people are willing to take the hook, the line and the sinker..
i still think he knows he has lost and what he is trying to do is galvanise a hard core of supporters so that after he loses he can somehow make money out of them...support the campaign to show the elite what you thin...dont let the liberal elite win....bankers and billionaires have stolen our country please make this "billionaire" even richer type narrative.
Media stuff or the like - a tea party of loons who pay for [s]confirmation bias gibberish[/s] news from his outlet.
Its hard to see what he needs to do for his supporters to think he might be a bit unhinged
TBH its hard to think of a person less fit to hold public office never mind POTUS
The republicans must be kicking themselves as almost anyone could have beaten Hilary...has he done it for the democrats all along? #tinfoilhat
i still think he knows he has lost and what he is trying to do is galvanise a hard core of supporters so that after he loses he can somehow make money out of them...support the campaign to show the elite what you thin...dont let the liberal elite win....bankers and billionaires have stolen our country please make this "billionaire" even richer type narrative.
There was an op-ed piece in the Washington Post the other day about how the Trump 'brand', which he values so highly, will be heavily damaged by his performance here. It's always seemed strange to outsiders like us that people would associate Trump with success and quality, let's hope that the election and the 'loser' tag shines a light for some of his would-be customers and investors.
There's not much money to be made using Trump's model out of his core vote demographic. Fifty dollar steaks and luxury apartments don't really figure greatly in their budgeting.
Odds on Trump being on penicillin or is the locker room banter just that, banter?
What's going to happen next time?
All of Trumps supporters aren't going away.
What's going to happen next time?
All of Trumps supporters aren't going away.
Like UK politics people don't always vote for the content sometimes the label.
You can split the Trump support into a few categories
The ones who agree with him etc.
The once did but then saw through him
Republicans of various flavours who will vote for anything waving the Republican banner
Republicans who would vote for him over a Democrat
Republicans who would vote for him over a Clinton
Republicans who would vote for him over a Woman
People who would not vote for a woman/clinton etc.
Not all of them support him and would probably not support him again.
Also unlike a referendum the popular vote doesn't always match the income, you need broad support across a wide range of demographics and geographical areas, he doesn't and probably never had enough of that in the first place.
His model is to use the word trump to sell anything- yes it would repel me as well.There's not much money to be made using Trump's model out of his core vote demographic
What he sells to poorer folk I have no idea but he is such a great business brain I am sure he has thought of something and he has millions of them now to exploit. Lots of small payments is still a lot of money and it might be a regular stream of funds...a sort of david icke or worse a L Ron Hubbard .Trust me he has a plan, its a great one, believe me.
Ok I am not quite at that level but he will be thinking of how to make money from this
If I was an American I will still vote for Trump regardless of what he will grab you by or pounce.
Ok I am not quite at that level but he will be thinking of how to make money from this
I'd expect so, and given his record over the years, I'd also expect Trump's gas station snack range to fail, lose money, but he'll claim he succeeded magnificently.
In guessing anyone of the age of Donald and Clinton us gonna be on a wide range of meds.
Clinton is hypothyroid and takes NDT (dessicated pigs thyroid) thus incurring the wrath of medics. Prior to this she was taking synthetic meds and was clearly unwell.
I would disagree with your comments though, my late parents didn't take any meds and wouldn't say they were the exception.
Chewkw says:
If I was an American I will still vote for Trump regardless of what he will grab you by or pounce.
And therein lies the rub. A lot of people really are stupid and Trump only needs to be just a bit too less stupid then them.
Perhaps people just dislike Clinton even more so voting for Trump is much more acceptable than voting for Clinton.johnnystorm - Member
Chewkw says:
If I was an American I will still vote for Trump regardless of what he will grab you by or pounce.
And therein lies the rub. A lot of people really are stupid and Trump only needs to be just a bit too less stupid then them.
Perhaps people just dislike Clinton even more so voting for Trump is much more acceptable than voting for Clinton.
Some people are just ****ing idiots though
they are so why reply to them?
He doesn't care if a person grabs womens pussies he would still vote for him and you want to discuss things with him 😯
WHY?
chewkw its quoted i still, mercifully, cannot see your posts so resit.
Chewkw can you usually name one positive thing about trump rather than just saying Clinton is worse. Trump is racist, yeah but Clinton is worse. Trump sexually assault women, yeah but Clinton is worse. Trump has lied more than any other presidential candidate, yeah but Clinton is worse.....
Christ, I'm berating Trump supporters and autocorrect is making me look a spud. 😆
Chewkw can you usually name one positive thing about trump rather than just saying Clinton is worse. Trump is racist, yeah but Clinton is worse. Trump sexually assault women, yeah but Clinton is worse. Trump has lied more than any other presidential candidate, yeah but Clinton is worse.....
The thing is, if the conspiracy theorists are right about the Clintons, then they are worse than the Trump.
The question is, how much of the stories of financial corruption and even murder are true?
Where's JHJ when you need him? 🙂
Any pictures of Bill, Chelsea, Saville and the Pope at some event?
Christ, I'm berating Trump supporters and autocorrect is making me look the[b] spud.[/b]
Cool. 🙂
Duly noted.
Approves and let it remain our secret
So what you're saying gobuchul is nothing positive about Trump but Clinton might be worse. 😉
So what you're saying gobuchul is nothing positive about Trump but Clinton might be worse.
Do your own research! 😉
[url= http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/clinton-death-list-33-most-intriguing-cases/ ]Clinton Death List[/url]
Wearing a syrup, being a twunt or murder? What's worse? 😉
gobuchul - Do your own research! 😉Clinton Death List
Wearing a syrup, being a twunt or murder? What's worse? 😉
Very clever, but from the actual link you posted FFS:
Rich’s father, Joel Rich, has begged his son’s killer to come forward. Bauman released the following statement to the International Business Times on behalf of the Rich Family:"The family welcomes any and all information that could lead to the identification of the individuals responsible, and certainly welcomes contributions that could lead to new avenues of investigation. That said, [b]some are attempting to politicize this horrible tragedy, and in their attempts to do so, are actually causing more harm than good and impeding on the ability for law enforcement to properly do their job[/b]. For the sake of finding Seth’s killer, and for the sake of giving the family the space they need at this terrible time, they are asking for the public to[b] refrain from pushing unproven and harmful theories about Seth’s murder[/b]"
Ah yes wnd that well known font of truth and journalism. Not sure that counts as research.....
Perhaps people just dislike Clinton even more so voting for Trump is much more acceptable than voting for Clinton.
I thought in the US Republicans vote Republican and Democrats vote Democrat irrespective of the candidates.
George W Bush is going to vote for Hillary
Really??? That's pretty damning!
I thought in the US Republicans vote Republican and Democrats vote Democrat irrespective of the candidates.
That is one of the fascinating things about this election. Such is the dislike for both candidates that you have life long Republicans who can't vote for Trump. And Democrats who are really struggling with having to vote for Hillary, though Trump is making life a bit easier for them!
What a choice those poor voters over by have
1. A pathological liar
2. A dodgy businessman
1. A pathological liar
2. A dodgy businessman
Is that the abridged version of Trump?
He doesn't help himself
America has to take a bite out of a shit sandwich, the only difference between both, shockingly bad, candidates is the garnish.
It is a terrible indictment of American politics and an indicator on how bad Clinton is that Trump got anywhere near the nomination and has been polling very close to her.
GOP set on self destruct?
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/17/us/north-carolina-gop-building-is-firebombed.html