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Manufacturing was responsible for 32,000 of those new jobs.

What do any of these new jobs have to do with Trump?

...and yet when you visit these factories everyone is happy, smiling and enthusiastic.

Maybe they are told to smile and be happy when big white customer man visits to see the happy smiling workforce or they will be sacked. Just maybe. 🙄

"Maybe they are told to smile and be happy when big white customer man visits to see the happy smiling workforce or they will be sacked. Just maybe."

I wish they'd do the same to the miserable ***** I work with in the UK.

[quote=Mr Woppit ]@ninfan

I do wish you'd do just a little deeper research before banging off an irrelevant stat in support of your empty arguments.

Not been here long?

You will note that this rise in emploment is the latest growth figure going back to the 2009 crash.

Yep, the US Unemployment Rate has actually been falling pretty steadily since 2010, from a high of 10% in Oct 2009 down to 4.8% when Obama left office in Jan 2017.

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Source: https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

Of course Trump says:

"Don't believe these phony numbers. The number is probably 28, 29, as high as 35. In fact, I even heard recently 42 percent."

Oddly though he seems happy enough to believe the numbers when he can steal credit for them:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/january-2017-jobs-report-is-obama-not-trump-2017-2

5 minutes ago you were saying manufacturing job growth was impossible because robots. Now you're saying it's already been done.

No, I was saying that TRUMP'S idea of fixing a manufacturing workforce problem by relocating robotics-based companies is nonsensical.

In fact, by focusing exclusively on this kind of employment, he shows again how narrow his understanding actually is. ninfan's own reference demonstrates that Trump is not only ineffectual, but in regard to employment levels, is simply wrong.

...and yet when you visit these factories everyone is happy, smiling and enthusiastic. There's something cultural they get right and we get wrong.

Yeah - really happy..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9006988/Mass-suicide-protest-at-Apple-manufacturer-Foxconn-factory.html

OOB any chance you can get the hang of the quotes button?

Anyway ninfan and the rest what's your highlight of the first 2 months of Trump?

I do wish you'd do just a little deeper research before banging off an irrelevant stat in support of your empty arguments.

I have to admit it was a particularly bizarre attempt by that poster to make Trump look good.

"OOB any chance you can get the hang of the quotes button?
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Sadly no. Opera mini won't let me and I can't be arsed to type the tags in manually.

Exactly WHAT IS IT that his supporters like about all this?

Shaking things up?

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39221092 ] US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) chief Scott Pruitt has said he "would not agree" carbon dioxide is a primary contributor to global warming.
He told CNBC that measuring human impact on the climate was "very challenging" and there was "tremendous disagreement" about the issue.[/url]

I imagine the "[i]tremendous disagreement[/i]" comes from carefully selected scientists, how long till the moderate republicans take a stand against the direction their party is heading?

I imagine the "tremendous disagreement" comes from carefully selected scientists, how long till the moderate republicans take a stand against the direction their party is heading?

I bet the moderate Republicans are loving Trump, though, as he is making them look positively enlightened by comparison; preparing the way for when "genuine, good-hearted" Republicans fly in and save the day from the nasty Trump.

till they get spanked by the electorate is my guess

Aaargh, i thought Pruitt had backed down from being such a vehement denier - it seems possible things might get even worse at the EPA than I was expecting.

What say the Trumpettes on here now? ISTR they defended Pruitts appointment at the time

Sore losers
SAD

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What say the Trumpettes on here now?

the trumpettes on here are rabid deniers too so I assume they are quite happy.

I think they are still researching the best of the last 2 months question. Or typing up the alt facts articles that are due

Anyway ninfan and the rest what's your highlight of the first 2 months of Trump?

I am calling for mike to be banned from the forum until he learns to not feed the trolls.

I see Flynn was an even poorer choice than we already thought

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/09/michael-flynn-foreign-agent-sean-spicer

And yet more republican logic regarding health care
[url= http://shareblue.com/republican-lawmaker-says-cancer-patients-can-go-to-the-er-for-health-care/ ]cancer patients can go the ER.[/url]

Trump's ratings looking almost as bad as the ratings for The Apprentice.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_mar10

I'm surprised even Trump's presidency could be as bad as the Apprentice.

So it seems that the exclusion of Iraq from the new travel ban might have been simply to make it "different" to the previous travel ban.

This is how the new ban differs from the previous one :

1. Iraq is removed from the list.

2. Existing visa holders will not be subjected to the ban.

3. Religious minorities are no longer given preferential treatment.

4. Syrian refugees are no longer singled out.

5. The rollout will occur in 10 days.

[url= http://uk.businessinsider.com/whats-different-in-trump-new-travel-ban-2017-3 ]Here are 5 things different about Trump's new travel ban[/url]

What's the significance of the new different travel ban? Well it means that the judge's first ruling on the initial travel ban allegedly no longer applies.

[i]"The justice department had argued that since the initial travel order ban had been revoked, the judge's first ruling could no longer apply. Those opposing that argument said the new travel ban had the same effect as the original."[/i]

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39241321 ]Trump travel ban: Judge declines to reinstate ruling[/url]

Although it's already hit obstacles :

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-new-travel-ban-first-legal-setback-challenge-syria-syrian-muslim-wisconsin-judge-a7624156.html ]Donald Trump's new travel ban suffers first legal setback[/url]

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And it seems that the United States tourism industry, which is worth $2.1 trillion, is suffering since the US chose an odious and obnoxious man to lead them :

[url= http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-slump-tourism-united-states-travel-ban/ ]The Trump Slump[/url]

[i]“I don’t want to spend any of my euros in this version of United States. It’s not the one I’ve known for long time.”[/i]

Nobody seems to have picked up on the tourism bit but it's going to be a lot of jobs and money gone until trump goes. And for anyone saying it's nonsense I can say we were planning to go as a family and now will chose somewhere less dumbly ruled.

Nobody seems to have picked up on the tourism bit but it's going to be a lot of jobs and money gone until trump goes. And for anyone saying it's nonsense I can say we were planning to go as a family and now will chose somewhere less dumbly ruled.

And yet more republican logic regarding health care

I liked [url= http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/03/07/jason-chaffetz-invest-in-healthcare-instead-of-phones-sot-newday.cnn ]Jason Chaffetz suggesting[/url] that if lower-income families want healthcare then [i]"maybe rather than getting that new iPhone that they just love, and they want to go spend hundreds of dollars on that, maybe they should invest in their own healthcare"[/i]

Something that I missed earlier was a few questions to Sean Spicer on the phone taps - Is it not a bad thing for Trump that he could have been investigated to the extent that they needed to wire tap Trump Tower? Mumble Fumble Mumble
the biggest issue for the Republicans is the Tax Credits they are available on the HC bill are basically cash in hand or subsidy (not a good word from Republicans) They are about to rate the cost and coverage of the bill this week so Spicer has been briefing against the group that does that (currently overseen by a Republican) for the moment it ends up costing more and covering less people.

Have we done this yet?

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kellyanne-conway-donald-trump-barack-obama-spying-through-microwave-claims-a7626826.html ]Kellyanne Conway suggests Obama could have spied on Donald Trump through a microwave[/url]

Ah, "suggests" 🙄

In other news: [url=http://]Buzzfeed[/url] (yeah, I know...) say:

[i]Even some Democrats on the Intelligence Committee now quietly admit, after several briefings and preliminary inquiries, they [u]don’t expect to find evidence of active, informed collusion between the Trump campaign and known Russian intelligence operatives[/u], though investigators have only just begun reviewing raw intelligence. Among the Intelligence Committee’s rank and file, there’s a tangible frustration over what one official called [u]“wildly inflated” expectations [/u]surrounding the panel’s fledgling investigation.[/i]

😆

Ah, "suggests"

In that video she literally says: [i]"...microwaves that turn into cameras etc. So we know that that is just a fact of modern life."[/i]

I think I missed that particular "fact" in the Vault 7 leaks. 😆

Is she talking about the Samsung TV hack?

I suppose you could get voice activated internet ready microwave ovens.

Do you think she went round get house chucking out anything made by Samsung? 😉

Might explain why she's never been able to get a decent picture on that little TV in the kitchen 🙂

Nah, she's just seen the documentary Transformers The Movie.

Seriously though, how? What? Just generally whu noises. She should be presenting an internet radio show not part of a government.

out of breath - Member

Who was the aircraft designer who ended up in the Gulab because he once went to an airshow in Paris?!

Andrei Tuplolev.

But TBH, if you build, command, design or even read, you were sent to the Gulag.

Korolev (Father of Russian rocketry) was sent there too because he'd been using research funds for aircraft on rockets...how dare he - what future in rockets?!

I guess Stalin was the precursor to Gove/Farage/Trump - they too were done listening to experts, whilst harbouring feelings of insecurity wrapped up in a healthy blanket of xenophobia and racism and with a desire, above all else, to have POWER.

She should be presenting an internet radio show not part of a government.

My microwave takes pictures of me FFS

Keeping quiet for few days in the hope that your previous bizarre attempt to justify the Orange One will have been forgotten, so you can continue your desperate attempts to defend the indefensible, doesn't work, ninfan...

Is the Trump admin doing less now than in the first few weeks, or has the shock value already worn off and its rabid wordfarts are now the new normal and not worth reporting?

If the latter, job done.

Eek!

How long before Sean Spicer has a breakdown? Presumably he just lies in the feotal position in the shower overnight waiting for whatever the tangerine Bawbag tells him to say today.

they don’t expect to find evidence of active, informed collusion between the Trump campaign and known Russian intelligence operatives, though investigators have only just begun reviewing raw intelligence.

From "The Good Shepherd"

Mafia boss: "What have you people got?"

W.A.S.P CIA boss: "What do you mean?"

MB: "Well, the Italians - we've got the Church and the family. The Jews, they've got their traditions. Even the ****s, they've got their music. What have you people got?"

CIA boss: "The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting..."

Who would have thought that the early mornming tweets were in fact completely mis typed and missing several key words...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-14/white-house-appears-to-soften-trumps-claim-on-wiretapping/8351694
Meanwhile they just can't seem to find the box marked incriminating evidence
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-06/trump-white-house-calls-for-investigation-into-wiretapping-claim/8326744

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Sums it up kimbers. Anyway I've just activated my microwave spy network and Donald letting Steve bannon do whatever he wants while the pot noodle cooks.

Forget microwaves:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/14/we-vibe-vibrator-tracking-users-sexual-habits

Has he been impeached yet, I thought he wasn't going to last 5 minutes ?

I wonder what the real reason is behind Merkel's cancelled visit. Seems a bit odd to blame it on the weather particularly as it hasn't turned out nearly as bad as forecast.

Not being impeached in your first 50 days in office is hardly a major achievement but you big it up as much as you need.
she does not want to be seen sharing a platform with this [s]racist lying bigot[/s]person with these policies and these actions. She is too polite to say the real reason . Not exactly sherlock levels of deduction required but HTH.
Anything else you need explaining?

Whent the best you can say is Donald Trump - Not impeached yet it's not looking good. 50 days in and less popular, less trusted and still not managed to fill a cabinet or the senior positions. As may people have spotted that will be coming to bite hime next as there are not many number 2's around when the boss is out of town.

Has he been impeached yet, I thought he wasn't going to last 5 minutes ?

[url= http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_mar14 ]Ratings[/url] down again today.

If he was a TV show, he would be in big trouble.

she does not want to be seen sharing a platform with this racist lying bigotperson with these policies and these actions. She is too polite to say the real reason

It wasn't Merkel who postponed the meeting it was Trump.

Trump prefers his women with more tits and less opinions.

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Besides, it probably interfered with his busy golfing schedule.

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-golf-intelligence-briefings-white-house-us-president-mar-a-lago-doral-florida-a7598396.html ]Donald Trump 'played golf more than taking daily intelligence briefings' since entering White House[/url]

I suppose you could get voice activated internet ready microwave ovens.

So do we think it's good to know how the person steering the tax changes would benift from them?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html?_r=0

Nothing in the two pages produced on Tuesday night suggested any ties with Russia. Nor did they provide much information about his businesses that was not previously known. But they showed that the vast bulk of the federal income taxes he paid in 2005, $31 million, was paid under the alternative minimum tax, which Mr. Trump wants to abolish.

That tax serves as a backstop to the ordinary income tax and is intended to prevent wealthy Americans from paying no income tax at all. Without it, Mr. Trump would have paid about $5 million in regular taxes, plus nearly $2 million in self-employment taxes, on $153 million in income in 2005.

“Trump’s return shows that he’s pushing tax changes that benefit multimillionaire heirs like him, not the middle class,” said Lily Batchelder, a tax law professor at New York University and former majority chief tax counsel for the Senate Finance Committee. “His proposal to repeal the A.M.T. would have slashed his own tax burden by $31 million, and his income tax rate would be lower than the average rate paid by families earning $75,000 to $100,000.”

Customs bills reportedly show Trump's daughter’s company had 53.5 of tonnes of Chinese goods steaming towards American ports during inauguration speech

Ah, so THAT'S what "jambafact" means.

According to jambalaya:

I wonder what the real reason is behind Merkel's cancelled visit. Seems a bit odd to blame it on the weather particularly as it hasn't turned out nearly as bad as forecast.

From The Independent:

Air travel was perhaps the hardest hit sector - nearly 6,000 flights were canceled all across the region with 3,300 of them in the New York area.

American Airlines cancelled all flights to and from John F. Kennedy, Laguardia, and Newark airports in the New York area.

Delta alone cancelled 800 flights in the northeast corridor between Philadelphia and Boston.

Television news reports showed nearly empty airports normally bustling with thousands of travelers.

Despite the early warnings of the storm and sub-optimal flying conditions, hundreds were stranded and the ripple effect has caused approximate 1,600 flight delays across the country, according to CNBC.

Sad. Terrible. Muchly big.

So has he leaked his own tax return?

Possibly the only one he could find in the last two decades where he has actually paid any tax?

martinhutch - Member
Possibly the only one he could find in the last two decades where he has actually paid any tax?

That's what I'm thinking, why else would only one year from so long ago be [s]released[/s] 'leaked'?

The stamp 'client copy' on the release also suggests it may not originate from the IRS... 😀

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ernie_lynch - Member
It wasn't Merkel who postponed the meeting it was Trump.

Trump prefers his women with more tits and less opinions.

Besides, it probably interfered with his busy golfing schedule.

Doesn't Merkel get the message yet? Why the thick skin on insisting to be important?

President Trump should simply brush her aside coz she is Not important nor is Germany in the grand scheme of things. They should know their place. 😛

So, it seems that a plan to 'drain the swamp' isn't actually a terribly good one when it turns out that the swamps main inhabitants are mostly people working for yourself..... 😉

So he paid some tax ages ago and now he's trying to make sure he doesn't do it again. Even if he was draining the swamp we'd neber know as the EPA will soon be one guy with a clipboard.

So he paid some tax ages ago and now he's trying to make sure he doesn't do it again

I'm confused, I though that Donald hadn't paid [u]any income tax for eighteen years[/u]

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#fakenews

ninfan
I think you need to re-read those headlines and the analysis of the stuff Trump leaked today and then explain to the class where you went wrong

I'm confused, I though that Donald hadn't paid any income tax for eighteen years

Do those headlines say that, snowflake? I think they say "could of", pretty sure someone on here was quibbling about the use of "called for" or something like that so we now know headlines mean whatever we want.

Why do you engage with him ? Its obvious to you what he is doing - he simply wants a reaction* and you keep feeding it

* Logic or consistency or even believing what he says are not even considerations in his one man quest to annoy "snowflakes"

I bet he is on the DM website trying to annoy Right wingers- he just likes to get a reaction and he will type anythign to get it

I think they say "could of", pretty sure someone on here was quibbling about the use of "called for" or something like that

Oh my word, well done, finally - there goes the cognitive dissonance bomb, as the lefties realise that they can't dismiss one without wrecking their own arguments for rejecting the other 😆

kimbers - Member

ninfan
I think you need to re-read those headlines and the analysis of the stuff Trump leaked today and then explain to the class where you went wrong

To fair ninfan did say [i]"I'm confused"[/i], so perhaps some polite explaining and a bit less of the sarcasm would be in order.

At least he was honest enough to admit not fully understanding the issue.

The leaked copy seemed to say 'client copy' on it. Surely he wouldn't have leaked it himself to distract from the FBI Russia news?

To fair ninfan did say "I'm confused", so perhaps some polite explaining and a bit less of the sarcasm would be in order.

Neither of these option will illicit an increase in expressed understanding.

What Junkyard said really.

Well we know he did pay some tax, once many years ago.

He also registered a huge loss, which could simply be a vehicle for shifting funds he 'owes' to other 'companies' that he may or may not have an interest in to avoid much much more tax.

Without wider context the leak to me seems like him throwing a very transparent bone.

It's (the presidency) all starting to look like a juggling act on the verge of disaster. Someone in the front row is going to get a knife or chainsaw in their lap and it will turn messy.

It's (the presidency) all starting to look like a juggling act on the verge of disaster. Someone in the front row is going to get a knife or chainsaw in their lap and it will turn messy.

Any other predictions you'd like to make while you have the chance? We could see how you do?

Geert Wilders isn't going to win the Dutch elections perhaps?
Le Pen going to lose the French one?

'Starting' to look like? Starting?? 😆

I think you need to re-read those headlines and the analysis of the stuff Trump leaked today and then explain to the class where you went wrong

Again...

"I think they say "could of", pretty sure someone on here was quibbling about the use of "called for" or something like that so we now know headlines mean whatever we want."

Only in your head.

I'd quibble about "could of" because all the headlines correctly state "could have" 🙄

As expected a simple man with questionable mental health and no political experience isnt doing a good job at being president. Who would have thought it?