[Closed] Does anyone care what Barrack says?

I'm pro-remain (as I've stated twice on this thread), you'll be happy to hear I don't have a vote.

I think many feel as you do and its hard to be passionately pro the EU.
That said nothing would make me cross the lobbies with the Brext lot them seem to be largely made up of loons with farcical arguments.

Of course there hae been benefits to being in the EU but have those benefits been worth the financial and non-financial cost and more importantly will those or other benefits continue to acrue into the future and what will future the costs look like ?

How does "yes" grab you?

Jambas on what have the [s]Romans[/s] Eu ever done for us and it's cost, I would suggest a quick read of Martin Wolfe in yesterday's FT. For starters

Trade with EU members has increased 55% at a fiscal cost equivalent to a mere 0.5% of GDP. A pretty good (!) trade by any standards. That's the starter for 10.......

This concept of remaining in for some sentimental reason doesn't appeal.

I can assure you I have no sentimental attachment to the EU. But the practical and logical reasons for remaining are obvious. I'm not going to list them, that's been done ad infinitum, but what I would say is that following WW2, we've had 70 years of peace and prosperity which is due largely to an approach which favours cooperation with our closest neighbours rather than competing and fighting with them. The EU is the central part of that post-war society settlement which I have no wish to see it dismantled because of irrelevant and small fry issues. Like I said, the future is going to be about less well defined natiional identities, boundaries, cultures and economics. It's already happening now, and we benefit from it in a multitude of ways so stepping outside of that and isolating ourselves is an idiotic move.

New thread title?

Does anyone care what the OECD says?

1. Uncertainty already having a negative impact
2. Economic policy uncertainty also increasing

ok obvious so far

3. A vote for Brexit would lead to considerable uncertainty in the near term, further lifting risk premia and hurting confidence
4. Brexit would generate a large negative shock to the UK economy, which would spill over to other European countries
5. Immigrants, particularly from other EU countries, have boosted GDP growth significantly in the UK

Even more bearish than the Treasury since they see the negative impacts affecting us much sooner.

Bloody cheek 😉

This thread should just be joined onto end of on of the other EU threads - many other forums do that sort of thing

OECD analysis assumes no new trade deals with anyone ! Also shows after inital "shock" there is no difference. Assumptions assumptions. Dip in GDP imo has zero to do with Referendum. OECD like other organisations is afraid EUnwill fall apart if we leave, thats no reason for us to go down with the ship.

Controlled immigration would have delieverd greater benefits imho, it's worked fabulously well for the US, Canada and Australia

well we can continue to ignore what is an impressive list of organisations and professional bodies....

This thread should just be joined onto end of on of the other EU threads - many other forums do that sort of thing

Controlled immigration would have delieverd greater benefits imho, it's worked fabulously well for the US, Canada and Australia

But if all else fails head to route one lie and scare. It's worked (many) millions of times before

following WW2, we've had 70 years of peace and prosperity which is due [s]largely to an approach which favours cooperation with our closest neighbours rather than competing and fighting with them[/s]

EU foreign policy has been a disaster be that selling warships to Russia, Ukraine/Crimea or the handling of the migrant crises

EU policies have lead to the rise of the far right in France and in Austria and the creationnof UKIP a party now polling more votes than Labour have lost since the Blair heyday

well we can continue to ignore what is an impressive list of organisations and professional bodies

Pick up your phone!!

@mike a very significant portion of the "refugees" from Syria are ****stanis and Bangladeshis, likewise from Libyabthey are from sub-saharan Africa. This could have been dealt with via tye UK approach aid / taking genuine refugees from camps vetted by the eu. Shegen and EU countries ignoring Dublin agreement have kead to,illegal passage throughout the eu. Geneva Convention says you must claim asylum in the first safe country you come to

In the longer term, it calculates that more restrictive trading arrangements with the EU alongside less competition, lower foreign direct investment and fewer skilled immigrants, would hit gross domestic product by a central estimate of 5 per cent, slightly less than the Treasury’s 6.2 per cent figure.

-5% seems like a difference to me!! albeit less than the Treasury version

Geneva Convention says you must claim asylum in the first safe country you come to

Jamba you're beginning to sound like JHJ. It's all a conspiracy between the OECD, IMF, EU, US, UK Govt etc. The ZMs are conspiring against the little people to keep us all in our place, and the only people standing up to them are visionary rebels like Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and George Galloway 😀

BTW, don't you live in France?

jambalaya - Member

Geneva Convention says you must claim asylum in the first safe country you come to

Does it really?

http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html

[s]those organisations are terrified about a total collapse of the EU with Brexit being the catalyst, they want us in the EU tomprop it come come the Greek default and associated contagion[/s]
as I cannot negate the fact all international agencies say it will be bad to leave the EU so I am going to call them names

FTFY

Today's STV poll puts the vote in Scotland at:

Remain: 66%
Leave: 29%

Which is interesting...

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is that the Union or the EU? 😉

is that the Union or the EU?

EU 😀

(Latest for Scottish Independence is 52% Yes, 48% No I think, from Mid-Feb)

£480k fraud by a UK MEP 😯

I wonder how that amount compares to the total expenses scandal at Westminster ?

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-36167299 ]BBC Link[/url]

(Latest for Scottish Independence is 52% Yes, 48% No I think, from Mid-Feb)

I think it is a certainty they will call for one if scotland votes stay and england votes trumps theirs.

[i]£480k fraud by a UK MEP[/i]

So?

MEP found guilt of fraud, now in jail.

SNP said they would only call for another Referendum when they thought they would win. As they haven't done that we can assume they don't think they would win.

That's because we haven't had the EU referendum yet.

I think it is a certainty they will call for one if scotland votes stay and england votes trumps theirs.

Precisely.

So no one worried that Abe said pretty much the same thing as Obama today ??

Does Japan matter? Any involvement in Northern Powerhouse?

Good old Grayling on the news commenting on this and guess what - using the wrong cost of membership figure. Keep insulting the electorate...

Japan's a basket case, Abe doubly so. If he says anything that makes sense, it's an accident.

Phew...that's all right then